11/11 Celtics at Portland

Deathofthebambino

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People can and will get after him now. Not sure 13 games is enough of a sample size to judge anything given that he is trying to figure out rotations and touches. Furthermore, the Celtics just aren't hitting their shots, open or otherwise. If you draw up plays and the players cannot convert, even when they get the right looks, I am not sure its on the coach.

That said, I am glad I don't have to listen to Boston sports radio. The Celtics and Patriots are going to have a lot of hot taking and misery the early part of this week.
At least the Bruins won again.
 

luckiestman

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The second half at least looked like basketball.

Al looks like he needs a Miami steroids vacation. Hayward is still physically very limited but his court vision is easily the best.


Getting down in every game by 20 has been going on years and it’s starting to get weird...give’em until Christmas to figure it out
 

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Not necessarily Baynes and Theis together. Brad needs to put Baynes or Theis out there with Horford. He's only using one of the 3 at any given time, and it's fucking killing them.

The easiest solution right now is to put Baynes in the starting lineup, move Gordon to the second unit. Try Kyrie, Tatum, Brown, Horford and Baynes, with Rozier, Smart, Morris, Gordon and Theis off the bench.

His need to put GH out there with the starters is costing us on a nightly basis, IMO.
I like this a lot. It has the added benefit of giving the second unit someone who can reliably run the offense.
 

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How do you handle the Hayward situation moving forward?

I don’t think he can be a player on the floor at the most important moments in a game at this point. That being said, I think he will eventually get there. If you start benching him during that time, you could lose him, I don’t envy brad at this time.
 

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We've been saying this for 5 years.
I would argue that Brad did a fantastic job last season in getting a team without Hayward and, more importantly, Kyrie, to get to game seven of the ECF on the Celtics own court. Your results may vary. And for three of the past five years, the Celtics were deeply flawed in terms of personnel. The fact that Stevens has been in the playoffs before last season is another notch in his belt.
 

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I don’t think Hayward is playing to anywhere near his normal level of course, but this constant talk of blaming him has gone a little too far. Bill Simmons Twitter has a nightly anti-Hayward comment and it’s not only unnecessary but it’s also not factually accurate IMO.

First of all, he needs to get his rhythm back and play. He was out for a season with a horrific injury needs to play as much as the docs will allow. This is the NBA regular season we’re taking about.

Secondly, he’s honestly been fine. His shot isn’t back, his rhythm is off, and he’s not scoring like he normally does. But he’s getting into the paint when given the chance and making the right play more often than not.

His D hasn’t been great but it’s also not really been an issue. I’ve actually been pleasantly surprised how well he’s held up (though don’t love that he still has pain post game). If anything he has been helping on D perhaps a little too much, but the Aminu stuff (especially that last bomb), is hardly him “getting torched”.

Gordon is not the reason this team has been mediocre and there honestly isn’t anyone on the team that deserves a lot more minutes than they’re getting (though I can think of plenty who deserve a lot less).

I know this mostly just typical game thread stuff but honestly we should be happy he can play 30 minutes of an NBA game at this point. His foot almost fell off a year ago.
 
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This team has been so consistently inconsistent. They’ll be better than this but other teams ahead of them are going to get better too. The Celtics have 2 double digit wins so far. The Raptors have 7. The Bucks have 8.

I’m not suggesting they trade Jaylen, and Danny won’t, but I would be curious to know what his value is around the league.
 

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Not necessarily Baynes and Theis together. Brad needs to put Baynes or Theis out there with Horford. He's only using one of the 3 at any given time, and it's fucking killing them.

The easiest solution right now is to put Baynes in the starting lineup, move Gordon to the second unit. Try Kyrie, Tatum, Brown, Horford and Baynes, with Rozier, Smart, Morris, Gordon and Theis off the bench.

His need to put GH out there with the starters is costing us on a nightly basis, IMO.
bingo...we have a winner
 

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bingo...we have a winner
Put a simpler way than my long post, even if you take the injury aspect out of it and just look at the actual on-court play this year.... Kyrie, Horford, Morris and Tatum are the only 4 players clearly playing better than Hayward (though sadly Tatum not by much). There has otherwise been a soup of mediocrity, and Hayward fits right in (aside from Jaylen who has been completely atrocious).

Hayward has played the 8th most minutes on the team, and has been in the range of the 5-8th best player on the team so far. If you want Morris in for crunch time, take out Jaylen. If you want both Hayward and Jaylen out, then you get the current pu pu platter of Smart, Rozier, Ojeleye, Baynes, and Thies. Smart/Baynes might be better choices depending on the matchup, but Gordon is hardly preventing an All-Star from getting on the court.

Given he has obviously the most upside to be tapped into, and there is no one who clearly should play over him at the moment, it would be honestly dumb to not play him as many minutes as the docs allow (and sometimes in crunch time).
 
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I don’t think Hayward is playing to anywhere near his normal level of course, but this constant talk of blaming him has gone a little too far. Bill Simmons Twitter has a nightly anti-Hayward comment and it’s not only unnecessary but it’s also not factually accurate IMO.

First of all, he needs to get his rhythm back and play. He was out for a season with a horrific injury needs to play as much as the docs will allow. This is the NBA regular season we’re taking about.

Secondly, he’s honestly been fine. His shot isn’t back, his rhythm is off, and he’s not scoring like he normally does. But he’s getting into the paint when given the chance and making the right play more often than not.

His D hasn’t been great but it’s also not really been an issue. I’ve actually been pleasantly surprised how well he’s held up (though don’t love that he still has pain post game). If anything he has been helping on D perhaps a little too much, but the Aminu stuff (especially that last bomb), is hardly him “getting torched”.

Gordon is not the reason this team has been mediocre and there honestly isn’t anyone on the team that deserves a lot more minutes than they’re getting (though I can think of plenty who deserve a lot less).

I know this mostly just typical game thread stuff but honestly we should be happy he can play 30 minutes of an NBA game at this point. His foot almost fell off a year ago.
I like this take and agree with it.
 

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they're now what, 7-6?

they blew a game at Indiana to start this trip. that would be 8-5. I think they win the Utah game if Kyrie didn't have his funeral, so potentially 9-4.

early days.