10/5–Pats at Chiefs

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Literally nobody thinks the Pats can go to Arrowhead and win. Good. It will make it extra sweet when Cam and Co. walk out of there with a statement win. It will be hard to do, but I have learned to never doubt a Bill Belichick coached team.
 

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I have low expectations, so it’ll be hard to disappoint me and easy to impress me. That hasn’t been a common feeling over the past two decades, but the underdog role has its pleasures.
 

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Hoping for the best but I think they get their asses handed to them. Week 1/2 Cam shows up and they have a shot. Week 3 Cam shows up and they lose by 17-20.
 

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I'm actually feeling pretty good about this. The Pats won both in 2018, and they were the worst quarter of officiating of the decade away from making it 3 straight.

I still think Baltimore is a tougher matchup.
 

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I'm also feeling very little stress about this one. Odds are that they won't win but they have a shot if everything goes right. They have the experience in the secondary to theoretically keep the Chiefs from going completely nuclear and they also have the potential to run and pass enough to put enough points on the board to make it competitive.

Either the defense that gave up 5 TD's to Seattle or a Cam that's off his game like last week definitely won't get it done because they don't have any margin for error. Both showing up at the same time will be an ugly beat down.

So a blowout will suck but anything short of that I'm OK with for a team that has a lot of room to grow on offense and on defense is still working in several new pieces after all the opt-out/free-agency losses.
 

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I want to think positively here but realistically, with the current set of skill position players the Pats have on offense, I don't think they can win a shootout in KC. Feels like they lose by 4 to 10 points with a garbage time TD making the game look closer than it was.
 

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Couple things going in the Pats' favor on this one - KC is coming off a short week and a resounding win over their conference rivals Ravens so there is some chance they'll be overconfident/a bit less focused or angry than if the Ravens had just beat them, it's still early in the season and there was no preseason and we've seen weird things happen already this season as a result of that, and the Pats have shown that they go into the house of a dominant team (Seattle) and at least be competitive. Plus, it's BB and so there's always a chance the Pats win any game he coaches.

Now, realistically, the Chiefs are and should be pretty heavy favorites but it wouldn't really shock me in the least if the Pats squeaked out a win. It also wouldn't shock me if they lost by like 30 points, though - which is fine, as has been stated previously this isn't really a must-win game for them. They're likely not going to be in contention for a #1 seed (the only seed that really matters this year as it's the only seed that gets a bye now) and if they handle business in the division they should still be on track to win the division regardless, and if they don't they won't regardless.
 

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I'll be interested to see how Belichick goes after this offense. The Ravens have a better front 7 than us and they really struggled to get to Mahomes. Easier said than done with Tyreek, Watkins, Mecole, but the Pats really have to keep everything in front of them. The offense can't support the D giving up quick strikes. And the offense needs to hold the ball to keep KC off the field, even if it doesn't lead to points or only FGs. And then you just hope for run-of-the-mill turnover luck to help even things out.
 

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Reid is a lot more patient than chuck-it-downfield Gruden, so I expect the Chiefs to run and run and run vs. the Pats D. Romo was a week early with his prediction of one of the fastest games of the year.
 

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I consider every running play the Chiefs run as a win for the Pats. Run it as much as you want, Andy.
Yeah, I was kind of surprised that the Ravens made such an effort to get after Mahomes. Bring 7-8 back and make Mahomes hand it off. CEH is obviously a good back but I’d rather the death by a million handoffs vs. letting Mahomes take the top off the defense. You just need to stay disciplined. Baltimore was losing contain all night.
 

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I already really wanted to win this game, but then I ran across Mahomes' mother's Twitter account, where she's trash talking opponents and criticizing the play-by-play announcer doing her son's games.
 

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I would think the plan would be to continue to go smash mouth and use as much clock as humanly possible, limiting the time that Mahomes has the ball in his hand.

When he does get the ball in his hand, I would think they try to keep him contained in the pocket and bring pressure up the middle, and they try to prevent Hill/Hardman from easy scores. I would think there RBs and Kelce will have big games.
 

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As I remember the game last year, Mahomes had these plays where you would drop back between 15 or 20 yards and use the extra space to create an additional level for the defense and to neutralize the rush. It required him to put a fair amount of air under the ball to get gains that would have otherwise been less modest, but I remember it being effective. It's a really interesting strategy and he has the legs to keep it from being a real problem but I wonder if we'll see some of that.
 

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I would think the plan would be to continue to go smash mouth and use as much clock as humanly possible, limiting the time that Mahomes has the ball in his hand.

When he does get the ball in his hand, I would think they try to keep him contained in the pocket and bring pressure up the middle, and they try to prevent Hill/Hardman from easy scores. I would think there RBs and Kelce will have big games.
This Sunday is going to be a great test for Joejuan Williams and Kyle Dugger.

I almost wonder if Dugger might be a good spy on Mahomes.
 

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I almost wonder if Dugger might be a good spy on Mahomes.
I was envisioning the same. In previous years, it would be a Pierre Woods type. A "fast" linebacker... except (1) they don't have any "fast" linebackers, and (2) even a "fast" linebacker isn't as fast/quick as Mahomes. Dugger, has by all accounts, taken well to different roles... I had to laugh at the end of the Raiders game when Romo pointing out that Dugger was out there covering Waller, giving him reps / making it seem like this was his first sip of coffee.

Oh, and happy birthday, @Saints Rest
 

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As I remember the game last year, Mahomes had these plays where you would drop back between 15 or 20 yards and use the extra space to create an additional level for the defense and to neutralize the rush. It required him to put a fair amount of air under the ball to get gains that would have otherwise been less modest, but I remember it being effective. It's a really interesting strategy and he has the legs to keep it from being a real problem but I wonder if we'll see some of that.
Yes, and is there really any defensive strategy to combat this? Maybe you have to dedicate a fast blitzer {CB or S} a lot to go after Mahomes?
 

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I have low expectations, so it’ll be hard to disappoint me and easy to impress me. That hasn’t been a common feeling over the past two decades, but the underdog role has its pleasures.
It's so nice to not worry about every game being the difference between us winning another SB and not based on injuries and seeding. I feel like a regular human again!
 

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It's so nice to not worry about every game being the difference between us winning another SB and not based on injuries and seeding. I feel like a regular human again!
Have you been talking to my wife? This is precisely what she said the other day.

It's like a palate cleanser
 

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Have you been talking to my wife? This is precisely what she said the other day.

It's like a palate cleanser
Less "talk", more "action". Sorry you had to find out this way.
 

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Edit: nm, saw other discussion on topic
 
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DJnVa

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I can't imagine what the game plan for this will be. That's one of the drawbacks with a QB like Cam--his backup is likely going to be a completely different kind of player.
 

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Going in to the week, I actually thought Pats had a pretty good shot in this game. Not so much at this point, so hopefully they just get through the week healthy and can regroup for next week. A Hoyer led offense has a 0% chance in this game unfortunately.
 

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An extra day for Chris Jones to heal up is not helping the Pats' cause.
 

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I just want the defense to not get demolished. If they make the Chiefs struggle to get points, I'm satisfied. I've been somewhat underwhelmed by the secondary this year, so I want them to show they can hang with the big boys. Hoyer isn't winning this game unless it's a crazy turnover fest.
 

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Considering they have a winnable game next sunday afternoon, getting crushed by KC on Monday is better than getting crushed by KC on Tuesday.
 

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Peter King:

Brian Hoyer. Hoyer, 35, has played six of his 12 NFL seasons with the Patriots in three separate stints, and recently decided to move his family lock, stock and barrel to New England. He loves it there, and he’ll make the family home in the area whenever he retires. He’s also played in Cleveland, Arizona, Chicago, Houston, Indianapolis and San Francisco. Oddity of the week: Hoyer has played more seasons and games (23) in New England than anywhere, but he’s never started a game for the Patriots . . . and he’s started at least one game in every one of his six other stops.
 

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Peter King:

Brian Hoyer. Hoyer, 35, has played six of his 12 NFL seasons with the Patriots in three separate stints, and recently decided to move his family lock, stock and barrel to New England. He loves it there, and he’ll make the family home in the area whenever he retires. He’s also played in Cleveland, Arizona, Chicago, Houston, Indianapolis and San Francisco. Oddity of the week: Hoyer has played more seasons and games (23) in New England than anywhere, but he’s never started a game for the Patriots . . . and he’s started at least one game in every one of his six other stops.
To Peter King: That’s not really all that odd when you consider who the Patriots starting QB was when Hoyer was on the team.
 

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How could Stidham not know the playbook still? Is Hoyer that much better in practice that it's not worth getting Stidham the reps, and hoping that some upside exists there?
 

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So ... would fake-coughing by the offensive lineman tonight to plant seeds of doubt in the KC rush cost us a second-round pick?
 

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Anyone want to hazard a guess as to an actual game plan tonight? Lots of running, lots of James White and Rex Burkhead, maybe some trick plays?