10/19 - ALCS Game 4

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I know this is just the way playoff baseball is but for all intents and purposes this was a nail biting pitching duel that lasted 4 hours and about a hundred pitchers. If your team isn’t in it I don’t know why anyone would watch this.
 

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Laz Diaz was brutal tonight and the call on Eovaldi's pitch was probably not in the top 15 of his worst calls of the game. At least that pitch was very close. The low outside corner to righties was a joke all night.
 

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I guess if you win tomorrow, Eovaldi moves to game 7. Otherwise, it's a tired Eovaldi trying to save their season game 6.
I really don't think he'll be that tired. In 2018, Eovaldi and other starters pitched in relief like this and it didn't bother them in their next starts. He will be fine.
 

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The offense cooled off after being on fire. Not too surprising but wish they could have done more against Greinke, who seemed helpless.
 

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any time you bring in a new pitcher, there is a chance they don't have it that night. Pivetta was cruising, no reason for the quick hook. You don't HAVE to manage differently just because its the play offs.
i get that you don’t want a starter facing guys a third time but you have to weigh that with the ripple effect down the road.

that being said, Sox had the late lead and it was lined up, their best guys just didn’t get it done. It stinks but they beat Whitlock and Eovaldi, and hell, you won’t beat Houston with 2 runs very often.

time to move on, win tomorrow
 

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Nah, this was his throw day, so he did it in a live game. Pitching Nate tonight and then again in game 6 was the plan.
A high stress inning like this is a huge drain. It's nowhere near a side session. It's why I really did not like the decision at all.
 

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Wow. The blown call was not the game, Nate gave up the hit... but it didn't help.

Cora waving the white flag by brining in the WORST PITCHER ON HIS STAFF was completely mind-blowing. I'm beside myself.
 

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Wait, Fox is saying that the pitch to Devers in the 1st was as bad a screw job as the pitch to Castro in the 9th?

NOT. EVEN. CLOSE.
 

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Well, they’ve bounced back after tough losses recently. Win tomorrow and forget about this bullshit.

But fuck Laz Diaz.
 

The_Dali

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i get that you don’t want a starter facing guys a third time but you have to weigh that with the ripple effect down the road.

that being said, Sox had the late lead and it was lined up, their best guys just didn’t get it done. It stinks but they beat Whitlock and Eovaldi, and hell, you won’t beat Houston with 2 runs very often.

time to move on, win tomorrow
But they didn't beat Nate... he struck Castro out... and then had to do it AGAIN.

Plus, brining in Perez was AWFUL and instead of trying to scrape out a run in the bottom of the 9th we had to just get the 3 outs over with and look to tomorrow. Unreal. So awful.
 

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The strike zone, such as it was, suppressed offense for both teams, but given Boston’s advantage at the plate, it hurt them more.

If you have no earthly clue what is or isn’t s strike you can get lost in the batter’s box. And smart pitchers will take advantage.
 

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The offense cooled off after being on fire. Not too surprising but wish they could have done more against Greinke, who seemed helpless.
I think with Greinke there just weren't enough pitches in the zone.. everything was low or outside..designed to get ground ball outs. They just took walks and couldn't square up anything else.
 

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Seems that many fans hoped for a split in Houston, 2 out of 3 in Fenway, then two chances to win on the road.
That is still a great possibility. Sox under Cora have never lost 2 playoff games in a row.
Keep it that way, and we advance.
 

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A-Rod: We need to get back to traditional baseball. Starting pitchers need to be starters. Relievers need to be relievers. We need to get back into routines. It is unfair to guys like Eovaldi.

Goes on to slam analytics having too much influence on the game.
 

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I am no Perez fan but who should have come in there? Brasier is awful vs lefties. Sawamura and Hernandez are basically unusable. Houck seems unlikely there. I guess Robles?

It’s a deeply flawed pen. So many pitchers who can’t throw strikes and / or have big platoon splits. I think he gambled on Perez being able to throw strikes and being lefty helped. Didn’t work out but it was reasonable. There were no good choices.
 

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A-Rod: We need to get back to traditional baseball. Starting pitchers need to be starters. Relievers need to be relievers. We need to get back into routines. It is unfair to guys like Eovaldi.

Goes on to slam analytics having too much influence on the game.
I mean, he’s not wrong.
 

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Diaz was a disgrace and shouldn’t be behind the plate for the rest of the playoffs, but Cora pulling Pivetta, not bringing back Ottavino, and bringing in Perez down by 1 is inexcusable.
 

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I am no Perez fan but who should have come in there? Brasier is awful vs lefties. Sawamura and Hernandez are basically unusable. Houck seems unlikely there. I guess Robles?

It’s a deeply flawed pen. So many pitchers who can’t throw strikes and / or have big platoon splits. I think he gambled on Perez being able to throw strikes and being lefty helped. Didn’t work out but it was reasonable. There were no good choices.
I would have given Nate one more batter.
 

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I am no Perez fan but who should have come in there? Brasier is awful vs lefties. Sawamura and Hernandez are basically unusable. Houck seems unlikely there. I guess Robles?

It’s a deeply flawed pen. So many pitchers who can’t throw strikes and / or have big platoon splits. I think he gambled on Perez being able to throw strikes and being lefty helped. Didn’t work out but it was reasonable. There were no good choices.
Once we were at that point, I kind of agree. (edit: and was glad they didn't try to squeeze more out of Eovaldi at that point.)

This is why I thought Ottavino should have pitched to more than a single batter in a one run game before the 7th. If you can get one more inning out of him and one out of Taylor, then you can pitch Whitlock in the 8th and 9th. If it goes extras and you need to close out a save, then consider Eovaldi.
 

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I am no Perez fan but who should have come in there? Brasier is awful vs lefties. Sawamura and Hernandez are basically unusable. Houck seems unlikely there. I guess Robles?

It’s a deeply flawed pen. So many pitchers who can’t throw strikes and / or have big platoon splits. I think he gambled on Perez being able to throw strikes and being lefty helped. Didn’t work out but it was reasonable. There were no good choices.
Me? Robles. I get the lefty lefty match up but Perez is just not a good pitcher. And I’m not bringing in Hernandez with the bases loaded. He gambled and lost.
 

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You can all complain about Cora's quick hooks earlier in the game, but bringing in Perez is the worst possible decision. I'd rather a pitching machine at that point. He is the worst pitcher on the staff by far. You either let Nate continue or you bring in a guy with real high-leverage experience. You cannot bring in a mop-up guy in that spot. Probably the worst decision I've seen him make.
 

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i did see that, yes ... just hadn't gotten to it yet (when I sent the quote)! interesting stuff. NEVERTHELESS. When you have to potentially resort to Perez in a determinative moment in the ALCS, maybe you stretch your starter ...
The determinative moments happened long before they got to Perez.

It's blatantly obvious that Cora had a plan, the plan in a close game was always going to be Whitlock in the 7th and 8th and Eovaldi in the 9th, and using either Taylor or Brasier/Ottavino earlier depending on the matchup.

The plan worked, he got to his 2 best weapons available with a lead going into the 8th, and then the guns misfired.
 

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I’m kind of with him. Even when it was 2-1 Sox for an eternity a close game that should feel exciting felt tedious at best. The parade of pitchers and slow pace of play tonight kind of took me out of it. Houston’s staff as a whole seems to work really slowly, much slower than Tampa. Pivetta was glacial tonight as well.
 

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I am no Perez fan but who should have come in there? Brasier is awful vs lefties. Sawamura and Hernandez are basically unusable. Houck seems unlikely there. I guess Robles?

It’s a deeply flawed pen. So many pitchers who can’t throw strikes and / or have big platoon splits. I think he gambled on Perez being able to throw strikes and being lefty helped. Didn’t work out but it was reasonable. There were no good choices.
Should have let Evoldi finish it. Yes, he was at 20 pitches but it was his throw day anyway.