10/19 - ALCS Game 4

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In terms of universal outcomes, this game is almost certainly insignificant. But in terms of the series, this feels like the one (outside of game seven) that the Sox have to win.

There. I did a take.

In all seriousness. Please win.
 

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Nick getting psyched inning after inning is the content we need.
And after Nick basicly the full pen is available. Whitlock, Houck, O... maybe Eovaldi for an inning.
Even the 3 guys who pitched in relieve today should be good - other than Edro nobody (on the Red Sox) threw more than 12 pitches.
 

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Greinke lifetime stats at Fenway.

4 games (3 starts).
2.43 ERA.

Just kidding!
thats his WHIP.
10.22 ERA
2.43 WHIP
.545 BAA
 

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Picking my son up from Holy Cross and then heading to game tonight (bleachers). I brought him and his two brothers to Game 1 of 2013 WS (standing room) when he was 11. Nothing better than Sox playoffs with your kids (even moreso as they get older...Cat in the Cradle and all that). Let's go!
 

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I love Zack Greinke. Like totally adore him.

But for tonight, I am 100% okay with the Sox shelling him and getting into that sweet, sweet Houston bullpen.
 

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So who do we expect to see from the Astros on the mound tonight?

I'm thinking they hope to get 2-4 innings from Greinke, then Javier for 2, then Graveman, Pressley and Raley for 1 each at the end of the game. Obviously 1-2 other guys will be in the mix if Greinke leaves early and they might do some matchup stuff too. This is basically their strongest bullpen game lineup.

They actually are pretty well set up for this game having not used their better relievers last night. It'll be game 5 and, if necessary, maybe game six where the wear and tear on the bullpen really starts to show.

Let's just put up another 9 spot in the first three innings and make it all moot.
 

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So who do we expect to see from the Astros on the mound tonight?

I'm thinking they hope to get 2-4 innings from Greinke, then Javier for 2, then Graveman, Pressley and Raley for 1 each at the end of the game. Obviously 1-2 other guys will be in the mix if Greinke leaves early and they might do some matchup stuff too. This is basically their strongest bullpen game lineup.

They actually are pretty well set up for this game having not used their better relievers last night. It'll be game 5 and, if necessary, maybe game six where the wear and tear on the bullpen really starts to show.

Let's just put up another 9 spot in the first three innings and make it all moot.
If I were Houston I would think about starting with a pen game entirely given the uncertainty around Greinke. Think about how demoralizing it is going to be for them when the Sox hit another grand slam in the first two innings off a starter.
 

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If I were Houston I would think about starting with a pen game entirely given the uncertainty around Greinke. Think about how demoralizing it is going to be for them when the Sox hit another grand slam in the first two innings off a starter.
The odds of that are sadly pretty slim. We might have to settle for a pair of three-run shots.
 

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Fans have to continue to bring the raucous tonight. No mercy! We need "G-R-E-I-N-K-E!" early and often.
 

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I love Zack Greinke. Like totally adore him.

But for tonight, I am 100% okay with the Sox shelling him and getting into that sweet, sweet Houston bullpen.
I'm with you on this. He is one of my favorite non-Sox players of the last 20 years, ever since he was putting up crazy stats with the Royals. I loved the seven-pitch mix he featured, the way he helped break the dominance of the 'W' stat (along with Felix Hernandez), the way he cared about and brought attention to mental health issues, his bugs bunny curve that gave birth to an eephus pitch. I love it all.

But I still hope he loses tonight. If I could script it, I would say that I hope he pitches three shutout innings and then the Sox score 20 off the bullpen, but I know that I can't, so I have to hope that they bloody him a bit.
 

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This feels like the game you have to start tightening the noose on them. They have a pretty desperate pitching situation.

If Pivetta comes out of the gate like his other outings, the Red Sox are going to be in excellent shape, but if we get the Pivetta who walks everyone, Cora should have no problem with a quick hook to Houck and he's probably got Whitlock for 2 if he needs it.
 

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We, more than any group of fans, know that this isn't true.
Sox didn't look even remotely defeated in 2004. The Astros didn't even look like they wanted to play game 1 and they punted the last two. They don't look like they want it. And I'm suggesting the Sox keep it that way.
 

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It's another great day to win a baseball game.

Scoring early is key to success. Grienke's not stretched at all - a 20-30 pitch first inning will cause Houston a world of hurt.
 

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We don't need a two game winning streak. We need two one game winning streaks. It continues tonight.

Welcome to Game Four of the American League Championship Series. Population: YOU!
 

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My gut says that the laughers are over and now we have to grind out 2 more close ones. Feel like it’ll be Game 1 with hopefully a different result. Lots of pressure on both teams tonight. Will be interesting.
 

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Tonight is a pretty important game for both teams. Might as well win.
Houston has been thumped but they are good team and if ever there was a game where they show it, it's this one. My guess is that this is a close game that will hinge on Red Sox pitching to hold them to 4-5 runs, since Houston will throw their strongest relievers out there after Grienke.

However - the Astros have not looked great overall in this series.

However - the Red Sox are the Freight Train of Destiny right now.
 

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He looks and sounds so fucking stoned.
I don't read a lot of baseball biographies, but I would definitely read one about or by Greinke ... particularly if it were upfront and detailed about what he's gone through to play in the major leagues while managing his anxiety disorder.
 

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I don't read a lot of baseball biographies, but I would definitely read one about or by Greinke ... particularly if it were upfront and detailed about what he's gone through to play in the major leagues while managing his anxiety disorder.
I felt like this covered his struggles pretty well. I actually found it inspiring and helped me to get up and get help for my anxiety.

View: https://youtu.be/vuTMPm7A0zQ


That said, just for today, fuck that guy.
 

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Greinke always sounds like that in interviews. It doesn't mean he's not confident or deflated or anything.

Despite his age and diminished stuff, Greinke is still a future Hall of Famer with pinpoint control and probably the best pitching brain among active players. It's entirely possible that he comes in and gives Houston three hero innings. But as long as the Sox stick with their approach and grind out at bats, Greinke won't have the strength to pitch more than a few innings.
 

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It's entirely possible that he comes in and gives Houston three hero innings. But as long as the Sox stick with their approach and grind out at bats, Greinke won't have the strength to pitch more than a few innings.
Yeah, I think tonight is more about Pivetta than Greinke. Eovaldi and EdRo shutting down the Houston bats early has been a huge edge. If the Astros get their offense going again against Pivetta, all this goodwill from the last two game can disappear in a hurry
 

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Momentum is only as good as the next day’s starter.

Your turn NickyP. Spin a gem tonight!
 

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Going with my son tonight. Super pumped. Anybody who was there last night able to tell me how cold to expect it. Is it long johns and winter coat cold, or more like LL Bean fleece cold?
 

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It's a new day and it starts 0-0. The Astors are not rolling over for anyone. They are champions. The Sox need to continue to be relentless; score early and often.

Hope the ultra competitive Nicky P. shows up and that X gets hot and joins the fracas.

Win.
 

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Going with my son tonight. Super pumped. Anybody who was there last night able to tell me how cold to expect it. Is it long johns and winter coat cold, or more like LL Bean fleece cold?
I wore a sweatshirt with a long sleeve shirt and a T-shirt underneath and was more than warm enough.

oh, and I also wore a ski hat.
 

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Honestly, I'm still waiting for the other shoe to drop - a product of being a Sox fan in The Before Times. Guys like Greinke see what's been going on, and know how to stop it. Executing the plan might be another story, but I have no doubt there's a plan.

Then again, everyone's got a plan till they punched in the mouth.
 

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I'll be at the game tomorrow; last RS playoff game I attended was game 7 of the 1986 ALCS; they won and went on to the WS.'

Win tonight so the same scenario is in play tomorrow so I can go 2 for 2 for RS playoff game wins that lead to a trip to the WS.

Make it happen Theo.
 

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Going with my son tonight. Super pumped. Anybody who was there last night able to tell me how cold to expect it. Is it long johns and winter coat cold, or more like LL Bean fleece cold?
Depends on where you're sitting. If you're in the upper deck or upper area of the bleachers, it's fucking freezing with the wind. I had a coat over a hoodie and was still pretty chilly. My wife bought a hat in the middle of the game. In the lower or more protected areas it would probably be not so bad.