10/17: Cowboys at Patriots--Gotta Have It Again

8slim

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the Pats are a pretty old team defensively, fairly young offensively. Will the Pats have a lot of cap space next year? Feels like the team was built to compete right away but with a rookie QB so kinda hard to figure out what direction they are heading
It’s a better conversation to be had in BBtL, but it’s definitely confusing to understand what Bill’s strategy has been since the offseason prior to 2020. He wanted to move on from Brady and rebuild, but I’m not clear as to what we’re trying to pursue on both sides of the ball.
 

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God dammit this sucked. However, 3 of their 4 losses have been out of conference opponents. If they can start to get their shit together and end up 9-8 somehow, that will hopefully mean they have a few tie-breakers in their favor, but who knows.

It is really hard to accept just having a team stuck in the lower middle level of the NFL blob, when you could basically pencil them in for 12 wins every season for 20 years. I try to remain optimistic for the future, and grateful for the past, but this one sucked whale balls.
 

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Secondary got pantsed consistently, almost nonexistent. No way you can win with that.
 

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It's unimportant because they ended up having more chances, but I would have treated that as 4 down territory and either run the ball or thrown a screen or quick slant. Not down the sideline on an all or nothing throw where you're stuck punting if you don't connect.

Again, it ended up not mattering, and my main point is no one should be whining about the no call on that play.

I always defend Josh and think he's really good, but that possession and the possession where they're throwing with a lead and just over 2 to play and turn it over were not good today.
I just flatly disagree with a run there, because the safety was obviously way in the box and in fact ended up blitzing inside. A run ends up giving you a 4th and 5 instead of a 4th and 3. A screen is risky due to the pick 6 possibility, by nature on those blitzes the D is going to jump those quick throws via screen or slant.

I definitely agree it needed to be 4 down territory, even the biggest optimist could see the game ending if the Cowboys got it back. Didn't matter if it is near midfield or at their 20.
 

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Here’s where I’m at.

They’re 2-4.
And are what their record says they are.
Which is so frustrating.

We can argue that but for one play here and one play there, their record could be better (and they’d have a shot at the playoffs). But it doesn’t work that way.

Also, no moral victories. Screw that. Not how it works. You play to win the game.

All of that said, I do like what I see from Mac. To me, that’s the most important question this season. More important than wins and losses.

Many quarterbacks - even veterans - can’t bounce back from a late pick 6 like that. Nevermind on the next play. That alone is reason for long-term hope.

Keep his development moving and put more pieces around him (looking at you, OL and defense) and we’re going to have some fun over the next several seasons.
 

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Defense wasn’t great but Dallas averages about 35 ppg and Pats D held them to 23 in regulation.
 

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I see a lot of people angry at the playcall on 3rd down on the Pats last possession. To me the lack of urgency in the playcall on Dallas 3rd and 25 with 31 seconds left where you let up 24, was the play you needed to close out the game. Instead you played the always affective no rush, no cover defense. I hated that in that spot there. If you want to give underneath, ok, 10 yards, 15 at most but you can’t leave the middle of the field wide open for 25 yards.
 

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If the defense could have allowed something like 18 yards on the big Dallas 3rd down to set up the tying FG, the kick might have been wide right. "Hold" them to an 18-yard gain!

GB5, yes.
 

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Defense wasn’t great but Dallas averages about 35 ppg and Pats D held them to 23 in regulation.
They needed two turnovers in the Patriots end zone to do that. Not usually a great strategy to hope for that.

That said, they still made those plays and they count. Offense needs to pick them up in overtime and BB needed to go for it on 4th and 3.

Asking the defense to stop Dallas in OT when they only needed a FG was pure lunacy.
 

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Lol, this is embarrassing.
People are acting like this team is getting the doors blown off them. Three of their four losses have been against really good teams – the other was on a fumble at the end of the game when they were about to seal the game. Two of them have been decided on the final play.

There’s also the “heads you win/tails I lose” thing with “BB the Coach/GM” – everything is either a “failure of the coaching staff/play calling” or “every player BB has acquired or drafted but Judon is bad.”

The biggest problem has been execution at the very end of games which is, frankly, probably to be expected of a team with this many new players and a rookie quarterback. I would even venture to guess that the OL problems are at least in part due to Mac learning about protections.

Beyond all that, I just don’t know how anyone could watch this or the Tampa game and think this team sucks. They’re not elite and are closer to the middle of the pack in the NFL than the elite. And they’ve made an uncharacteristic number of mistakes for a Belichick team. But they have shown grit and potential, as has their quarterback. And I find that enjoyable to watch even if it isn’t always pretty.
 

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I have been a bit surprised at how not ready for prime time some of the basics we take for granted have been. They are constantly battling the play clock and I can’t remember the last time they had a decent play coming after a frantic snap with one second. Just take the five yards and keep the down or save the time out unless it’s like third and one or you are on the edge of field goal range. The punt fire drill was awful. The late decisions on go for it or don’t seem too harried and I am not positive that Josh has any idea what Bill’s intentions are when he is calling second and third down plays.

The game seems to be happening to the Patriots instead of what we have all been so used to on both sides of the ball — the Patriots bending the game to them.

The hard counts have been horrific this year. They don’t work when you get to the line with 8 seconds on the play clock and all they have done all year is result in the Patriots jumping.

They are just constantly scrambling on everything. Late out of the huddle, late back to the line of scrimmage, defenders not set and yelling at each other while the ball is being snapped.

Get to the fucking line, get the lay of the land, and take what the defense presents.
 

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Hey, the Pats won the 1st half vs. the Bucs and the 1st half vs. the Cowboys.
 

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I don’t want to post this on main board BB fastball thread, but today was awful.

The team looked poorly coached. Blocked punt sequence was atrocious. Delay of game was bad and probably could have had 2 others called also. A couple bad timeouts wasted. Confusion all over the place. Countless bad play calls. Bolden run on third and short was disgusting. Way too cautious, conservative through out. Just bad football, unfortunately
 

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I have been a bit surprised at how not ready for prime time some of the basics we take for granted have been. They are constantly battling the play clock and I can’t remember the last time they had a decent play coming after a frantic snap with one second. Just take the five yards and keep the down or save the time out unless it’s like third and one or you are on the edge of field goal range. The punt fire drill was awful. The late decisions on go for it or don’t seem too harried and I am not positive that Josh has any idea what Bill’s intentions are when he is calling second and third down plays.

The game seems to be happening to the Patriots instead of what we have all been so used to on both sides of the ball — the Patriots bending the game to them.

The hard counts have been horrific this year. They don’t work when you get to the line with 8 seconds on the play clock and all they have done all year is result in the Patriots jumping.

They are just constantly scrambling on everything. Late out of the huddle, late back to the line of scrimmage, defenders not set and yelling at each other while the ball is being snapped.

Get to the fucking line, get the lay of the land, and take what the defense presents.
Didn’t see this to after I posted, but I’m 100% on board with DDB’s observations and glad I’m not the only one thinking this
 

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People are acting like this team is getting the doors blown off them. Three of their four losses have been against really good teams – the other was on a fumble at the end of the game when they were about to seal the game. Two of them have been decided on the final play.

There’s also the “heads you win/tails I lose” thing with “BB the Coach/GM” – everything is either a “failure of the coaching staff/play calling” or “every player BB has acquired or drafted but Judon is bad.”

The biggest problem has been execution at the very end of games which is, frankly, probably to be expected of a team with this many new players and a rookie quarterback. I would even venture to guess that the OL problems are at least in part due to Mac learning about protections.

Beyond all that, I just don’t know how anyone could watch this or the Tampa game and think this team sucks. They’re not elite and are closer to the middle of the pack in the NFL than the elite. And they’ve made an uncharacteristic number of mistakes for a Belichick team. But they have shown grit and potential, as has their quarterback. And I find that enjoyable to watch even if it isn’t always pretty.
You are perfectly in your right to be excited about this team. Acting like those who are upset they came up short in yet another winnable game are somehow in the wrong is silly. They spent the most guaranteed money in league history on a single off-season, Bill got his pick of players at a time where most of the league was cap strained and the Pats had dollars to spare, they drafted a first round QB who showed them enough to start as a rookie and has looked good, most posters here thought before the season started this was a playoff contending team, but now everyone has to be waving pompoms because hey, they hung around the Cowboys in a game where they had 115 penalty yards and turned the ball over twice in the endzone.

They also struggled to beat the worst team in the league starting their backup QB. Was the appropriate response to last week's victory depression, then? This is a bad team. They aren't terrible, they can turn it around, Mac has shown some promise, but they make dumb mistakes every game and don't have the sheer talent to compete with the best teams even though they are a veteran squad (10th oldest roster) and spending up to the cap. Why is disappointment not a valid response?
 
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Here’s where I’m at.

They’re 2-4.
And are what their record says they are.
Which is so frustrating.

We can argue that but for one play here and one play there, their record could be better (and they’d have a shot at the playoffs). But it doesn’t work that way.

Also, no moral victories. Screw that. Not how it works. You play to win the game.

All of that said, I do like what I see from Mac. To me, that’s the most important question this season. More important than wins and losses.

Many quarterbacks - even veterans - can’t bounce back from a late pick 6 like that. Nevermind on the next play. That alone is reason for long-term hope.

Keep his development moving and put more pieces around him (looking at you, OL and defense) and we’re going to have some fun over the next several seasons.
This. Mac continues to impress me and is going to be a winning QB in the league. The bright side is we are going to get a good draft pick to add some talent to the WR corps next year.
 

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I have been a bit surprised at how not ready for prime time some of the basics we take for granted have been. They are constantly battling the play clock and I can’t remember the last time they had a decent play coming after a frantic snap with one second. Just take the five yards and keep the down or save the time out unless it’s like third and one or you are on the edge of field goal range. The punt fire drill was awful. The late decisions on go for it or don’t seem too harried and I am not positive that Josh has any idea what Bill’s intentions are when he is calling second and third down plays.

The game seems to be happening to the Patriots instead of what we have all been so used to on both sides of the ball — the Patriots bending the game to them.

The hard counts have been horrific this year. They don’t work when you get to the line with 8 seconds on the play clock and all they have done all year is result in the Patriots jumping.

They are just constantly scrambling on everything. Late out of the huddle, late back to the line of scrimmage, defenders not set and yelling at each other while the ball is being snapped.

Get to the fucking line, get the lay of the land, and take what the defense presents.
There was a play yesterday where a Patriots linebacker had his head turned away from the LOS yelling something to a DB literally as the ball was snapped.

They look poorly coached, like they are confused out there at what they are seeing on both sides of the ball.

And that 3rd and 25 where they gave up 24.......................unbelievable.