10/17: Cowboys at Patriots--Gotta Have It Again

RedOctober3829

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A win is a win. The defense looked horrible for one whole half and made Davis Mills look like Peyton Manning in his prime, but did what they had to do to get the stops and give Mac a chance.

This week, Dallas is a completely different animal. Dak Prescott is playing the best football of his career. He has 1,368 yards passing in 5 games with 13 TDs and 3 INT's. Zeke Elliott is averaging 90 yards per game(5.3 YPC) and 5 TDs. Tony Pollard, his backup, is averaging over 6 YPC on 51 attempts. The trio of Lamb/Cooper/Dalton Schultz are averaging a combined 189 yards receiving and have a combined 9 TDs. This is a very balanced and high-powered offense that is averaging 34 ppg while their defense is playing much better than last year. They are only giving up 23 ppg. Trevon Diggs is an early favorite for DPOY having 6 INT's already.

That being said, if the Patriots are able to get Jalen Mills back this week they are equipped to slow them down a bit. Offensively, they need to get their OL back and continue running the football like they did yesterday so Mac can execute more play action passes. This is the swing game of the season. If they can win this and get to .500, they have the Jets next week and a great opportunity to get to 4-3 and all of their goals are still in front of them. If not, then it's a long, hard road to travel for a playoff spot. They have to stop beating themselves. Too many fumbles, poor 3rd and 4th down defense, and penalties have all combined to doom them in close games.
 

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Sage advice I just heard on a podcast: you ain’t gonna stop em so limit them to field goals. Oh, and don’t fumble.
 

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Pats will win this one. Put it down.
Absolutely not. Dak and the offense are firing on all cylinders and the defense has held up most of its end of the bargain. They pressure Mac Jones, Trevon Diggs gets another INT to extend his record and they leave Foxborough 5-1.
 

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Elliott and Pollard are going to be a handful. And when they aren’t play action should free up Cooper and Lamb.

Patriots are going to need TDs. They are unlikely to win this one with Folk or field position.

See if Bill can dial something up.
 

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This would be a bigger upset than if they had beat TB. I am preparing myself for a loss, just want to see them be competitive and not get destroyed on both lines.
 

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Win would be amazing, but would rather like to see more progress on O-line, Mac, and the offense. Keep things moving in a positive direction. Also would like to see a game without any back breaking fumbles.

Be interested to see how the defense matches up against a fairly robust offense.
 

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Be interested to see how the defense matches up against a fairly robust offense.
They acquitted themselves well against a robust Tampa offense but Dallas presents a different challenge given the stronger running game. I personally think Dallas moves the ball fairly easily on Sunday. Lots of 3rd and 2 type situations, IMO.
 

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They acquitted themselves well against a robust Tampa offense but Dallas presents a different challenge given the stronger running game. I personally think Dallas moves the ball fairly easily on Sunday. Lots of 3rd and 2 type situations, IMO.
I mentioned this in the pregame thread, but I think BB is going to focus on stopping the run given how badly Dallas has bludgeoned their opponents on the ground the last 4 games. Patriots are probably screwed if they allow Dallas to run all over them like that. With the passing game, that's a really tough matchup too but sometimes Dak is a little loose/fumble-prone with the football in the pocket under pressure....so I could see BB hoping for a turnover like that. If you grab a couple turnovers and force a couple red zone FGs, then you have a shot.

Ultimately, the Patriots offense will probably have to score 3 or more TDs to win this though. What makes this Dallas offense a little harder to defend these days is Kellen Moore's autonomy. In the Jason Garrett days, he would stubbornly stick to the run way too long in games where the opponent was selling out to stop it. Moore isn't afraid to just go spread and pass all game if the run is futile (see opening night against Tampa Bay) and McCarthy has basically let him do his thing without too much interference. One of the few good attributes of Mike McCarthy in a sea of incompetence.
 

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I mentioned this in the pregame thread, but I think BB is going to focus on stopping the run given how badly Dallas has bludgeoned their opponents on the ground the last 4 games. Patriots are probably screwed if they allow Dallas to run all over them like that. With the passing game, that's a really tough matchup too but sometimes Dak is a little loose/fumble-prone with the football in the pocket under pressure....so I could see BB hoping for a turnover like that. If you grab a couple turnovers and force a couple red zone FGs, then you have a shot.

Ultimately, the Patriots offense will probably have to score 3 or more TDs to win this though. What makes this Dallas offense a little harder to defend these days is Kellen Moore's autonomy. In the Jason Garrett days, he would stubbornly stick to the run way too long in games where the opponent was selling out to stop it. Moore isn't afraid to just go spread and pass all game if the run is futile (see opening night against Tampa Bay) and McCarthy has basically let him do his thing without too much interference. One of the few good attributes of Mike McCarthy in a sea of incompetence.
Yup. If Pats can’t stop the run, it’s over. Dak is tough to turn over but that’s their only chance. Diggs being out would be very helpful for the offense. Still think Pats need to win a 24-21 or lower type game. They’re not winning if they need to score 27-33 or so.
 

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They acquitted themselves well against a robust Tampa offense but Dallas presents a different challenge given the stronger running game. I personally think Dallas moves the ball fairly easily on Sunday. Lots of 3rd and 2 type situations, IMO.
Or maybe not even that many third down situations....
 

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Even after multiple weeks of BAD RT play it seems to me that they just prize Onwenu's positional continuity (and developing him at Guard long-term) very highly and don't want to go with him at RT on just a game-to-game basis.

If Trent Brown gets ruled out for the year and they could have Karras and Mason manning the Guard spots I could maybe see it for this season again but as long as they see Brown coming back to RT in the not too distant future it seems like he'll stay at the LG spot.

It seems like an open question about whether Herron might be better at LT than Wynn at this point though if they're both healthy. Wynn's drop off in play this year short of an unknown injury is pretty inexplicable.

And how does Herron's worse play at RT compare with Cajuste there? And will Yodny's problems improve with more reps or will he just get exposed?

ie. are you better right now with Herron LT Cajuste RT or Wynn LT Herron RT?
 

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This game is very likely a turning point in the season. A win today and the team looks like a playoff contender. It would give the entire team a much needed confidence boost moving forward. Mac had a good game against Tampa in a super high pressure situation. I expect a similar feel for todays game. I honestly gave them no chance against Tampa. They played up to their opponent and were able to keep the game close. I’m confident they’ll do that again today. LFG.
 

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I called the Sox in 4 against Tampa, the Sox to lose ALCS game 1 and the Sox to win ALCS game 2. Make no mistake, this little run of being right is anything but typical.

But I'm on a roll. I know, three outcomes is the smallest of rolls but work with me here.

I think the Pats are going to win this game. And that it wont be a nail biter at the end.

(And that the Sox will win the ALCS in 6, in case anyone gives even the tiniest of shits.)
 

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This game is very likely a turning point in the season. A win today and the team looks like a playoff contender. It would give the entire team a much needed confidence boost moving forward. Mac had a good game against Tampa in a super high pressure situation. I expect a similar feel for todays game. I honestly gave them no chance against Tampa. They played up to their opponent and were able to keep the game close. I’m confident they’ll do that again today. LFG.
I think Tampa played down to the Pats as well (and even then they reached the Pats 30 yard line six times, a little better execution/less drops/less costly penalties and we're looking at 27+ points with the Bucs not being really in sync in the passing game until late in the third). The Pats played a B+ game and Tampa played a C- game. If the Cowboys play their B game there's 30 on the board and I'll believe the Pats can win a shootout when I see it. Of course, the Pats can do enough on their end to make this competitive, but I really don't see them keeping up with high flying teams without the opponent also having a down game. The defense is good, don't think they're great yet.
 

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I think Tampa played down to the Pats as well (and even then they reached the Pats 30 yard line six times, a little better execution/less drops/less costly penalties and we're looking at 27+ points with the Bucs not being really in sync in the passing game until late in the third). The Pats played a B+ game and Tampa played a C- game. If the Cowboys play their B game there's 30 on the board and I'll believe the Pats can win a shootout when I see it. Of course, the Pats can do enough on their end to make this competitive, but I really don't see them keeping up with high flying teams without the opponent also having a down game. The defense is good, don't think they're great yet.
Those are really good points. It was one of the few times I’ve seen Tommy play nervous to start and the weather was also a factor. That was definitely a down game for Tampa as much as it was a better game for the Pats. Here’s hoping for a little bit of both again today.
 

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I think Tampa played down to the Pats as well (and even then they reached the Pats 30 yard line six times, a little better execution/less drops/less costly penalties and we're looking at 27+ points with the Bucs not being really in sync in the passing game until late in the third). The Pats played a B+ game and Tampa played a C- game. If the Cowboys play their B game there's 30 on the board and I'll believe the Pats can win a shootout when I see it. Of course, the Pats can do enough on their end to make this competitive, but I really don't see them keeping up with high flying teams without the opponent also having a down game. The defense is good, don't think they're great yet.
This plus Tampa was practically pulling people out of the crowd to play in their secondary by the end. "Any Given Sunday" and "Hope Springs Eternal" but in my lucid moments I'm pretty much where you are.

I don't like to think about the season implications of another loss but aside from executing like we haven't come close to seeing yet, AND several lucky bounces...

...ah screw it IT CAN HAPPEN! THEY HATE THEIR COACH! WE"RE ON TO FOXBORO! WIN THIS MOTHER EFFER! LFG!!!!
 

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Massive amount of Cowboys fans in Foxboro
They're always everywhere. Plus every 8 years thing, Boston being a world-class city, and a Texas team (some for, some against) they can watch in the playoffs tomorrow and another Dallas team last night in the regular season in another sport,
 

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I can’t even offload my tickets and I have them up for sale at $30 under face value.
My family gave up our seasons last year so my wife and I were targeting this one as our only game we were going tp
to go to this year, but scrapped that idea during the first half last week.