10/11 - ALDS vs Tampa. Game 4.

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Sights and sounds from Fenway last night....

- Electric crowd. Standing up 90% of the game. A total buzz going around the stadium.
- A group of college guys two rows in front of me that must have put down three dozen beers. And man did they have stamina to yell and yell and yell. So fun.
- Unmistakable scent of much weed being smoked in my section. People were, uh, having a good time.
- Guy next to me on my left was a Canadian making his first ever visit to Boston (and thus, Fenway). Ran the marathon and was wearing a blue and yellow marathon jacket. Had a great time chatting with him. He had a hell of a good day.
- The place was so loud during the 3rd inning rally. The Sox were hitting rockets all over the place.
- Arozarena and Franco are frigging terrifying. They're both so good. Franco's homer was an absolute laser, and Arozarena's first at-bat was a bullet. We still don't know how Renfroe caught that.
- We could sense TB chipping away. Worrisome.
- Renfroe's throw to the plate allowing Arozarena to get to second was so boneheaded, we couldn't believe it.
- There was much conversation in my area about how long EdRo would go. We were all surprised he came out for the 6th.
- I was so excited to see Houck pitch. Too bad he didn't have it last night.
- Seeing Davis warm up in the pen was....not exciting. Thank God he didn't come in.
- We couldn't believe Arozarena didn't come in to score in the 8th. Whitlock...holy smokes what else can you say about that guy. He was nails. The place erupted when he got out of that inning.
- Fenway LOVES Kiké. Every time he came up the place went bonkers.
- Stuck around a while after the game to soak in the whole atmosphere. It was an amazing baseball experience.

What a night.
 

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Sights and sounds from Fenway last night....

- Electric crowd. Standing up 90% of the game. A total buzz going around the stadium.
- A group of college guys two rows in front of me that must have put down three dozen beers. And man did they have stamina to yell and yell and yell. So fun.
- Unmistakable scent of much weed being smoked in my section. People were, uh, having a good time.
- Guy next to me on my left was a Canadian making his first ever visit to Boston (and thus, Fenway). Ran the marathon and was wearing a blue and yellow marathon jacket. Had a great time chatting with him. He had a hell of a good day.
- The place was so loud during the 3rd inning rally. The Sox were hitting rockets all over the place.
- Arozarena and Franco are frigging terrifying. They're both so good. Franco's homer was an absolute laser, and Arozarena's first at-bat was a bullet. We still don't know how Renfroe caught that.
- We could sense TB chipping away. Worrisome.
- Renfroe's throw to the plate allowing Arozarena to get to second was so boneheaded, we couldn't believe it.
- There was much conversation in my area about how long EdRo would go. We were all surprised he came out for the 6th.
- I was so excited to see Houck pitch. Too bad he didn't have it last night.
- Seeing Davis warm up in the pen was....not exciting. Thank God he didn't come in.
- We couldn't believe Arozarena didn't come in to score in the 8th. Whitlock...holy smokes what else can you say about that guy. He was nails. The place erupted when he got out of that inning.
- Fenway LOVES Kiké. Every time he came up the place went bonkers.
- Stuck around a while after the game to soak in the whole atmosphere. It was an amazing baseball experience.

What a night.
The “F you Tampa” chant after the beer incident was evidence of a younger mix.

Whst I loved about this crowd was we never gave up. I’ve been in crowds where losing the 5 run lead would lead to quiet. Right field was on their feet from the moment Whitlock got the first out to the end. No hitter energy.
 

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Yeah pitching to Devers with the bases loaded, 1 out, and a RHP on the mound is really a worse option than pitching to Kike there. It was the "less shitty" option to pitch to Kike. Neither choice was good.
Not sure I agree with this. Putting a runner on first gives you a double play option. KH one of the hottest hitters, if not the hottest, in the playoffs. Devers not full strength.

Glad they didn't do it. Happy with the result!
 

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So far this postseason:

- Schwarber: 22 pa, 6 r, 6 h, 2 hr, 2 rbi, .316/.409/.632/1.041
- Kiké: 25 pa, 5 r, 10 h, 3 2b, 2 hr, 6 rbi, .435/.440/.826/1.266
- Devers: 24 pa, 4 r, 6 h, 2 hr, 6 rbi, .300/.417/.600/1.017
- Bogaerts: 23 pa, 5 r, 7 h, 2 hr, 4 rbi, .350/.435/.650/1.085
- Verdugo: 23 pa, 8 h, 2 2b, 1 hr, 6 rbi, .348/.348/.565/.913
- Martinez: 15 pa, 7 h, 1 hr, 4 rbi, .467/.467/.733/1.200
- Renfroe: 23 pa, 6 h, .300/.391/.350/.741
- Vazquez: 18 pa, 3 r, 6 h, 1 hr, 4 rbi, .353/.353/.529/.882
- Arroyo: 20 pa, 5 h, .263/.263/.316/.579

So 7 of the 9 guys have been absolutely MASHING this postseason so far. And an 8th guy (Renfroe) certainly hasn't been a lead weight...he's also been helpful. And Arroyo has done with a #9 hitter should do for the most part. He's contributed here and there, played really good defense, and even had a key sac bunt last night. For a #9 hitter with everyone else doing what they're doing, that's perfectly fine.

The top six in this lineup though...holy smokes look at those numbers. No wonder the Red Sox have scored 32 runs in 5 games (6.4 per game).
 

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Not sure I agree with this. Putting a runner on first gives you a double play option. KH one of the hottest hitters, if not the hottest, in the playoffs. Devers not full strength.

Glad they didn't do it. Happy with the result!

Incredibly small sample size but Kike was 0 - 2 against Feyereisen lifetime. Devers was 1 - 1 with a double. But TB didn't have a lot of good options left as he was their ninth guy on the mound last night.

https://www.espn.com/mlb/player/batvspitch/_/id/36011/jp-feyereisen
 

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Did Kike just pull Merkle’s Boner but Tampa didn’t notice?
Here’s something I won’t be able to unsee , much like I think there is still 1 second left in Super Bowl XXXVI:

Watch Kique’s sac fly again. Look where Shaw is standing when the run crosses the plate - he’s a little past second base. Don’t think he tagged up. Pretty sure if Tampa had fielded the throw from left - or just retrieved the ball - they would have had Shaw dead to rights at first base.
 

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Here’s something I won’t be able to unsee , much like I think there is still 1 second left in Super Bowl XXXVI:

Watch Kique’s sac fly again. Look where Shaw is standing when the run crosses the plate - he’s a little past second base. Don’t think he tagged up. Pretty sure if Tampa had fielded the throw from left - or just retrieved the ball - they would have had Shaw dead to rights at first base.
It was 2nd and 3rd, not 1st and 3rd. He tagged.
 

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Here’s something I won’t be able to unsee , much like I think there is still 1 second left in Super Bowl XXXVI:

Watch Kique’s sac fly again. Look where Shaw is standing when the run crosses the plate - he’s a little past second base. Don’t think he tagged up. Pretty sure if Tampa had fielded the throw from left - or just retrieved the ball - they would have had Shaw dead to rights at first base.
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Here’s something I won’t be able to unsee , much like I think there is still 1 second left in Super Bowl XXXVI:

Watch Kique’s sac fly again. Look where Shaw is standing when the run crosses the plate - he’s a little past second base. Don’t think he tagged up. Pretty sure if Tampa had fielded the throw from left - or just retrieved the ball - they would have had Shaw dead to rights at first base.
He tagged up. He's standing on second after Santana has left third.

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EDIT: Never mind, you thought he was still on first.
 

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Here’s something I won’t be able to unsee , much like I think there is still 1 second left in Super Bowl XXXVI:

Watch Kique’s sac fly again. Look where Shaw is standing when the run crosses the plate - he’s a little past second base. Don’t think he tagged up. Pretty sure if Tampa had fielded the throw from left - or just retrieved the ball - they would have had Shaw dead to rights at first base.
EDIT: d'oh he was on 2nd. So my question is academic, but still a question.
Assuming Shaw was on 1st:
I know they dont have to tag Shaw to get the DP. But is that the kind of force play (if it even counts as one) that would mean the run wouldn't count if it crossed before the play at 1st? Or did the game end when the run crossed the plate. Merkle, IIRC, was forced out at 2nd, which is clearly a "the run doesn;t count" play.
 

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Shaw getting back or not is a "who got there first" situation (and it was Santana).

Kique doesn't have to get to first, he's out on the catch.

Good to check, but no issue there I can see. Other than that yes…there still is one second left on super bowl 36
 

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Oh of course. He went to second in the first pitch to Kique. Lol, my bad.
I give you a mulligan on this one. I didn't realize that he took second either. I think most were focused on Kike and Santana.

That said, I was about to throw a nutty if this were true. There is no conceivable reason that anyone on first should run on a SF in that game situation (ball in the air, winning run on third, one out).
 

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What's more likely:
Any other of the 38k visitors catching two home runs or the one guy that has made a living out of it via youtube, books, etc?
Baseball is a weird game, even in the stands...
Well the vast majority of those seats are in foul territory. Monster seats and first few rows in RF would be the highest percentage odds of getting a HR hit your way. Still remarkable but not win-the-lottery odds.
 

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The only thing that bothered me on the replays was the Sox streaming onto the field while the ball was still in play. It wasn't a walk off bomb or a play like 2004 ALCS G5 where the outfielder conceded the run. I don't like it.....stay off the damn field until the ball is no longer in play. In this case with Meadows throwing home, that moment was not until Santana crossed the plate.
 

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A thought while watching the walk off clip over and over:

We give them a TON of shit, and a lot of times they deserve it, but I think that one of the things that is really underrated in baseball over the course of a 162 game season is how good of a job the umpires do of putting themselves into the right position to make a call during the course of play. Watch the 2nd and 3rd base umpires in that video, as soon as the ball leaves the bat, move to exactly where they need to be to wait and have the catch and the runner in their line of sight. It's pretty cool.

There was a play I remember earlier this season (I forget the game, honestly) where the whole crew had to rotate in order to track a play. The second base ump had to go deep into the outfield, the third base ump moved to cover the vacated second base, the home plat umpire had to cover third and the first base ump slid down to cover home. While they screw calls up now and then, and watching some of them call balls and strikes is really frustrating, I don't think a lot of us (myself definitely included) appreciate just how much time and practice go into these guys being the best in the world at what they do.

Except Angel Hernandez. Fuck that guy.
 

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I absolutely love this post. I also get emotional after games like this knowing this was never the norm in Boston. We are so fortunate. My family was there tonight and I do much wish I lived closer to Boston to experience nights like this. They were there for the 04 ALDS clincher too. I hope the younger generation realizes to appreciate every playoff run because it isn’t easy. Just keep this ride going.
Just like playoff hockey, there is something about playoff baseball, it's a completely different animal.
 

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Great post and I agree completely. This run is helping me manage through some tough times, no matter how it ends I will remember it so damn fondly.
Right there with you, trying to get past some issues right now, so this is great therapy.

Good luck with your situation, hoping things work out for you.
 

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Watched this one from the bleachers with my 16-year-old; first playoff game for both of us. I know it’s common for people to come in and post about how great a crowd was, but this one really was insane. People were hanging on every pitch and erupting at every hit or strike, and there was more singing and chanting than I’ve ever personally experienced. We all stood for the majority of the game. There was a lot of back and forth with Arozarena throughout. That guy is definitely not fazed by the stage.

When the Rays rallied, people were obviously disappointed but it didn’t feel to me like the air was sucked out of the place. It’s funny - if I’d been watching at home I would’ve been despondent and expected the worst at that point. But being there it really didn’t feel that way. On a related note, Whitlock is an assassin.
Having been there last night I fully agree. I stood most of the night, which has never ever happened to me at a baseball game before. I was full throat most of the game. The crowd was electric all night long.

I was very worried once Arozarena got to second with nobody out in the 8th but Whitlock.... holy smokes that was amazing.

And the finish. Goodness.
Al Leiter, working for MLBN now, agrees. He just said on their morning show that it was the loudest he's ever heard Fenway.
 

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Excellent stuff. Reading this makes me miss my dad's dad who was a HUGE baseball fan (Cincinnati) and absolutely the biggest influence on my love for the sport. One of my dad's brothers is a HUGE baseball fan as well (Yankees), so over the years we've gone back and forth but ultimately we just love this amazing game. I was emotional during the game but that was excitement, but now I just miss my grandfather and wish we could watch one more game together. Here's to our loved ones, present and past, and to all of you here that help make being a Sox fan so much fun!
My Dad was a huge influence on me, as was my Mothers Father, he loved baseball. I remember in n 1974 when they were leading the division I said to him "They're going to win the division this year".......his reply "You'll learn soon enough about the Red Sox, but I admire your optimism".........and he was right in 1974.

My Uncle from Arizona was the biggest Red Sox fan I knew, when they blew game 7 in 2003, he called me and launched into a tirade aimed at the manager, I can still here it to this day. When they won it in 2004, the biggest disappointment for me was getting another call from him as he had passed away in December of 2003.

That's the one thing about baseball; it's a sport that gets passed down from generation to generation and to me, that's what makes it so special.
 

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Not sure I agree with this. Putting a runner on first gives you a double play option. KH one of the hottest hitters, if not the hottest, in the playoffs. Devers not full strength.

Glad they didn't do it. Happy with the result!
I can see why it's tempting to walk Kike there. But Feyereisen doesn't have very good control. It's pretty risky to walk the bases loaded there and face Devers who while not at 100%, is still likely a better hitter than Kike against RHP and he will take a walk too (9.3% walk rate this year and 4 BB in 24 PAs in the playoffs to that point) which loses the game for the Rays in that scenario.

I don't think it would have been a crushing mistake to walk Kike...it's defensible, but I would have pitched to him like the Rays did. There really weren't any good options there for Cash.
 

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So many good individual things to watch in this angle. I think Kike is my favourite. Just knew it and was soaking it all in even when others (Santana particularly) still 100% focussed on doing their jobs to end it.
I like Kiermaier in an absolute dead sprint from right center. You know he wanted to jump in front of Meadows so badly there but he couldn't quite make it.
 

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Fantastic post. Thanks for sharing and yeah so much of this resonates with me too. From the first time my dad took me to Fenway when I was a kid until now when I have teenage kids of my own, there’s something about the Sox that gets me fired up (good and bad) more than any other sport or team.

Had it all the way, onto the ALCS
I'll never, ever forget the first time my Dad took me to Fenway and we walked up the ramp and I saw the field and the monster off in the distance...............it was an incredible sight, something I missed seeing for the first time in 53 years last year.

House money at this point; let's do this.
 

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EDIT: d'oh he was on 2nd. So my question is academic, but still a question.
Assuming Shaw was on 1st:
I know they dont have to tag Shaw to get the DP. But is that the kind of force play (if it even counts as one) that would mean the run wouldn't count if it crossed before the play at 1st? Or did the game end when the run crossed the plate. Merkle, IIRC, was forced out at 2nd, which is clearly a "the run doesn;t count" play.
Third out by getting a runner on the bases after a caught ball is a time play. The run counts if it scores before the third out is made.

A force out, for purposes of the rule that a third out by force out nullifies any run scored, is a situation where the batter runner must make it to first or a runner on first, second, or third loses the right to continue to occupy his base because the batter became a runner.

The play you are asking about is an example in both the the definition of force out and the comments to rule 5.08.

If the runner on third leaves early though, and is out by appeal creating the third out, his run and any other runs scored on the play do not count.

https://www.umpirebible.com/OBR16/5.0.htm#508b
 

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Third out by getting a runner on the bases after a caught ball is a time play. The run counts if it scores before the third out is made.

A force out, for purposes of the rule that a third out by force out nullifies any run scored, is a situation where the batter runner must make it to first or a runner on first, second, or third loses the right to continue to occupy his base because the batter became a runner.
That was my hunch (maybe because I've seen it before in the middle of some random game). Thanks.
 

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Al Leiter, working for MLBN now, agrees. He just said on their morning show that it was the loudest he's ever heard Fenway.
FS1 must have had the ambient crowd noise mike turned down, because I thought the crowd noise was much quieter than the night before. I even complained about it in the game thread. Three eyewitness accounts prove that perception on my account wrong. Perhaps MLB Networks mikes the night before were turned up? Whatever, I am happy for the SoSH members who attended - a once in a lifetime memory. Very exciting.
 

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Watched this one from the bleachers with my 16-year-old; first playoff game for both of us. I know it’s common for people to come in and post about how great a crowd was, but this one really was insane. People were hanging on every pitch and erupting at every hit or strike, and there was more singing and chanting than I’ve ever personally experienced. We all stood for the majority of the game. There was a lot of back and forth with Arozarena throughout. That guy is definitely not fazed by the stage.

When the Rays rallied, people were obviously disappointed but it didn’t feel to me like the air was sucked out of the place. It’s funny - if I’d been watching at home I would’ve been despondent and expected the worst at that point. But being there it really didn’t feel that way. On a related note, Whitlock is an assassin.
I was at game 3 of the 2004 ALDS and it sounds like you are describing my night from back then.

When Guerrero hit the grand slam to tie the game in the 7th, it was a bit of a stunner, in the sense that the Sox had the game in hand to that point. But I didn't get any feeling that the crowd lost energy or became despondent. And the roaring from the crowd in the top of the 10th when Cabrera charged a chopper and threw out Figgins was as deafening as anything I can remember ... until the bottom of the 10th when Ortiz launched one into the Volvo sign in the bottom of the 10th to end the game, unleashing pandemonium.

That's the feel I had last night when the Rays came back to tie the game. Not any sense of despair. Just another hurdle to overcome.