10/11 - ALDS vs Tampa. Game 4.

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Does Cora keep his job long enough to manage game 1 of the ALCS?
Not a chance. If SoSh had its druthers, some random lurker would be using Google Sheets and their mom's slide rule to figure out the starter for game five right now. We have been cheated out of this by Chance The Gardner Cora.
 

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If Bloom and Cora were actually competent this series only goes one. Now the pitching is a mess for the next series and either the White Sox or Astros will have a huge advantage in terms of setting up matchups.
 

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Tonight was one of the loudest yells of this century. For me my loudest was when Derek Lowe struck out Terrence Long looking, to end game 5 of the 03 ALDS. Even over Papi's HR in game 3, LDS 04, and ALCS 04. Did this ending remind you of Game 4 2008 ALDS against the Angels when Lowrie singled home Bey to end the series and send Sox to ALCS against Rays?? I was in Professor Thoms In New York that night.(At the time a Boston Sports Bar) Had the day off, took the train to New York. One of my favorite Red Sox wins. Everyone hugging and cheering. At Penn station on the way home I saw some Sox fans and we high fived. Were any of you there that night? Just curious. A fun memory. That's the last time the Sox beat a 100 win team when they weren't a 100 win team. I think. That was a very good Angels team.
 
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Tonight was one of the loudest yells of this century. For me my loudest was when Derek Lowe struck out Terrence Long looking, to end game 5 of the 03 ALDS. Even over Papi's HR in game 3, LDS 04, and ALCS 04. Did this ending remind you of Game 4 2008 ALDS against the Angels when Lowrie singled home Bey to end the series and send Sox to ALCS against Rays?? I was in Professor Thoms In New York that night.(At the time a Boston Sports Bar) Had the day off, took the train to New York. One of my favorite Red Sox wins. Everyone hugging and cheering. At Penn station on the way home I saw some Sox fans and we high fived. Were any of you there that night? Just curious. A fun memory. That's the last time the Sox beat a 100 win team when they weren't a 100 win team. I think. That was a very good Angels team.
Amen. This probably is one of my favorite all time series wins for the Red Sox, not quite 2004 but I think above anything in 2008, 2013 (though the Tigers series was insane), and 2018. The locker room celebrations make it that much more awesome

Think the last time I screamed that loud was a certain miraculous comeback against the Falcons…

Respect the hell out of the rays staff and management—if they get Montreal fans and sponsorship watch out. We all hate them because we respect literally everything about them, especially on this forum.
 

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Garrett. Whitlock.

No idea what the rest of the playoffs bring but he deserves some MAJOR props. Brasier had just crapped his pants on the mound and there you had Arozarena on 2nd with 0 outs with Wander, Lowe, and Cruz coming up and Arozarena never touches 3rd base. And that’s without mentioning his clutch backup on the Renfroe throw.

Just an incredible performance.
 

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There's something to be said in all sports, really, about erasing a deficit ... but not taking the lead. As though some air goes out of the balloon and they can't restart the momentum
 

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Amen. This probably is one of my favorite all time series wins for the Red Sox, not quite 2004 but I think above anything in 2008, 2013 (though the Tigers series was insane), and 2018. The locker room celebrations make it that much more awesome

Think the last time I screamed that loud was a certain miraculous comeback against the Falcons…

Respect the hell out of the rays staff and management—if they get Montreal fans and sponsorship watch out. We all hate them because we respect literally everything about them, especially on this forum.
Yes I was more emotional after beating the Tigers in the ALCS, then beating the Cards in the WS. Mainly because deep down I thought the Tigers were better and I thought Leyland made some mistakes. And I thought how awful I felt the night we lost to the O's in 2011, then the Valentine disaster. Just making the playoffs was enough for me. Everything else I was grateful for. But this year...... DAMN!!! HOW ABOUT THEM SOX!!!!
 
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There's something to be said in all sports, really, about erasing a deficit ... but not taking the lead. As though some air goes out of the balloon and they can't restart the momentum
Yep. Have been saying this to DDB Jr. for years and he keeps trying to prove me wrong but finds it applies more often than not. You see it all the time in basketball, especially NCAA. Either you blow by and never look back or you catch up and then the other team makes that one play and you have a dogfight you often lose.
 

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Just got back to Albany, NY from Fenway and one of my favorite nights ever in that awesome ballpark.

This team...I mean, this team, c'mon!

Did I order the Code R.E.D. (Rays Elimination Day)? You're goddamn right I did!

This team is more than a few good men!

I will be in Fenway Park for Game 4 (Right Field Roof Box) and I am officially ordering a Code R.E.D. (Rays Elimination Day).

LFG! Keep your Sox on!
 

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Yep. Have been saying this to DDB Jr. for years and he keeps trying to prove me wrong but finds it applies more often than not. You see it all the time in basketball, especially NCAA. Either you blow by and never look back or you catch up and then the other team makes that one play and you have a dogfight you often lose.
Wait you are saying if you never go ahead you lose?
 

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There's something to be said in all sports, really, about erasing a deficit ... but not taking the lead. As though some air goes out of the balloon and they can't restart the momentum
Because they won, it didn't matter, but I think the mirror image was when the Sox got the 5 but stranded the runners at 2nd and third. Not letting it get to 7-0 was big for TB.
 
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Two questions about the 9th.

1) Why didn't Cora pinch run for Vasquez as soon as he got on? You have Plawecki still available. Put pressure on the defense with speed on first.

2) Why in the world did the Rays pitch to KH there? Once first base was open, you have to put him on and try for a double play to get out of it.
 

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Watched this one from the bleachers with my 16-year-old; first playoff game for both of us. I know it’s common for people to come in and post about how great a crowd was, but this one really was insane. People were hanging on every pitch and erupting at every hit or strike, and there was more singing and chanting than I’ve ever personally experienced. We all stood for the majority of the game. There was a lot of back and forth with Arozarena throughout. That guy is definitely not fazed by the stage.

When the Rays rallied, people were obviously disappointed but it didn’t feel to me like the air was sucked out of the place. It’s funny - if I’d been watching at home I would’ve been despondent and expected the worst at that point. But being there it really didn’t feel that way. On a related note, Whitlock is an assassin.
 
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Two questions about the 9th.

1) Why didn't Cora pinch run for Vasquez as soon as he got on? You have Plawecki still available. Put pressure on the defense with speed on first.

2) Why in the world did the Rays pitch to KH there? Once first base was open, you have to put him on and try for a double play to get out of it.
1). My guess on this is that they still wanted his bat if they couldn't small ball I'm into scoring position.

2) Devers. No way that they wanted to pitch to Devers.
 

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1). My guess on this is that they still wanted his bat if they couldn't small ball I'm into scoring position.
Maybe no bench catcher and no emergency catcher if Vaz out of game also?
afaik they were down to no catcher on the bench and no emergency catcher from the 9th onwards the previous game when Schwarber was pinch run for. Could be Cora didn't want to push his luck on that one again.
 

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Two questions about the 9th.

1) Why didn't Cora pinch run for Vasquez as soon as he got on? You have Plawecki still available. Put pressure on the defense with speed on first.

2) Why in the world did the Rays pitch to KH there? Once first base was open, you have to put him on and try for a double play to get out of it.
RE: 1. My related question was why didn’t they pinch run for Vaz when he got to second? I was dreading a single by Shaw to medium OF with Vaz lumbering around 3rd.
 

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Watched this one from the bleachers with my 16-year-old; first playoff game for both of us. I know it’s common for people to come in and post about how great a crowd was, but this one really was insane. People were hanging on every pitch and erupting at every hit or strike, and there was more singing and chanting than I’ve ever personally experienced. We all stood for the majority of the game. There was a lot of back and forth with Arozarena throughout. That guy is definitely not fazed by the stage.

When the Rays rallied, people were obviously disappointed but it didn’t feel to me like the air was sucked out of the place. It’s funny - if I’d been watching at home I would’ve been despondent and expected the worst at that point. But being there it really didn’t feel that way. On a related note, Whitlock is an assassin.
Having been there last night I fully agree. I stood most of the night, which has never ever happened to me at a baseball game before. I was full throat most of the game. The crowd was electric all night long.

I was very worried once Arozarena got to second with nobody out in the 8th but Whitlock.... holy smokes that was amazing.

And the finish. Goodness.
 

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Too many posts flying around last night---who brought the bubble gum on the field and then threw it into the air?
 

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1). My guess on this is that they still wanted his bat if they couldn't small ball I'm into scoring position.

2) Devers. No way that they wanted to pitch to Devers.
Yeah pitching to Devers with the bases loaded, 1 out, and a RHP on the mound is really a worse option than pitching to Kike there. It was the "less shitty" option to pitch to Kike. Neither choice was good.
 

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Maybe no bench catcher and no emergency catcher if Vaz out of game also?
afaik they were down to no catcher on the bench and no emergency catcher from the 9th onwards the previous game when Schwarber was pinch run for. Could be Cora didn't want to push his luck on that one again.

That's a good point. Vaz got nicked by a foul tip late in Game Three (I think we all collectively cringed). Maybe Cora didn't want to go to that well unless he absolutely had to. But then he put all his chips in the middle of the table when Kike came up and had Santana PR.
 

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That's a good point. Vaz got nicked by a foul tip late in Game Three (I think we all collectively cringed). Maybe Cora didn't want to go to that well unless he absolutely had to. But then he put all his chips in the middle of the table when Kike came up and had Santana PR.
I suspect that was part of it. But the dark side was thinking, "maybe Cora is worried that Santana's an even worse baseruner than Vazquez and wants to lessen the chance of a costly decision." Unlikely, but that's what baseball exhaustion does to the brain.

Probably Goodwin and now everyone has to get tested
Goodwin's law.