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The following is a problem (source: http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/25861174/boston-celtics-get-clarity-how-far-need-go):

Name / 2nd-half minutes / 2nd-half points / 2nd-half FG
Gordon Hayward / 9:25 / 0 / 0-3
Jaylen Brown / 10:05 / 0 / 0-2
Terry Rozier / 9:31 / 2 / 1-3
Aron Baynes DNP* N/A N/A
Daniel Theis / 3:42 / 0 / 0-0

Not trying to say that thee players didn't play well because there were long stretches when they didn't touch the ball. But one problem I see is that when GH, JB, and TR don't touch the ball, they tend to force up contested shots when they do get the ball, which leads to long droughts.

Not sure what the answer is.
 

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Steph Curry scored half his points in a 4-minute spot in the 2nd quarter when free-lance artist Terry Rozier was guarding him. I'd like to see Smart on the court when Steph plays.

Baynes, Hayward and Horford just can't foul on 3PA (and they were all fouls)

Otherwise, the Celtics defense was stout.
 

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The Celtics didn’t play that well, had some really bad turnovers and fouls, Kyrie was uncharacteristically sloppy/careless down the stretch, and Hayward is still playing meaningful/important minutes, and they lost by 4 — and probably should have won this game. I am totally fine with it, and things will be different/better in May/June.
Yes, this. I feel better about this game in the morning than I did last night. The played the Warriors and this was a winnable game. If any one thing leaves a bad taste, it is that Tatum got only 1 shot in the 4th after almost singehandedly keeping them in the game with his 14 points in the third.
I am not a big game score fan but four of Hayward's top ten game scores have come in the month of January and six of the top ten have been over December and January. Hayward clearly didn't play well tonight, especially on offense, though his two steals and seven boards don't paint as dire a picture as our eyes might tell us.

Its frustrating to watch because some nights the guy looks like he doesn't really belong in the NBA but my understanding is that recovery from an injury like his is often non-linear. Contrast it with Cousins who is being asked to do a lot less and is surrounded by more talent (on the Warriors starting squad at least). Boogie has looked great in this small sample when doing some things such as playing down low but he has routinely been getting beaten off the dribble by bigs and smalls alike - its one of the reasons he is racking up so many fouls.

Paul George would be another comp but recall that the guy came back for a stretch at the end of the season after his summer injury. He had a lot more time between his in-season recovery and the summer to get himself in shape. Hayward's second surgery deprived him of the same sort of opportunity last spring.
Yes. At this point the Celtics need to decide what they think is the best path forward to maximize what Hayward can give them in the playoffs and follow that. If that means playing the role he's in now, whether he struggles or not, they should keep doing that. If that means giving him several weeks off to hit the gym, they should do that. Presumably they are already doing what they think best.

I assume he'll also have a reduced playoff role (more like 10 minutes/game than 20).

All of that said, I'm not going to panic about Hayward's recovery until he shows up after a full offseason looking exactly the same as he does now.
 

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Steph Curry scored half his points in a 4-minute spot in the 2nd quarter when free-lance artist Terry Rozier was guarding him. I'd like to see Smart on the court when Steph plays.

Baynes, Hayward and Horford just can't foul on 3PA (and they were all fouls)

Otherwise, the Celtics defense was stout.
The problem is Kyrie can't guard Steph all that great either, and GSW is big at wing so we can't put either one (Kyrie or Terry) on Klay or Durant either.
 

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Got a nice "game every other day" thing going. As long as they bounce back against the frisky Nets we're still pointing in the right direction.
 

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No, it wasn't from the 3 point line. Even the announcer said something about it. He said Smart was way too far back at the start of the play.
I just watched the play Smart was hugging the three point line upon release of the FT. He actually had his right foot on the line upon release. Right before Green shot the second FT, Kyrie was on the arc on the right side behind the shooter at the FT line, with Smart on the left. They switched position, with Kyrie on the left, in front of Curry, who was a couple of steps behind the arc. Smart ran too far into the paint, all the way to where his feet were a foot in front of the restricted area arc. His job was to box out the shooter, so the shooter wouldn't be able to rebound a long carom. He failed, and that precluded the Cs from having a shot to tie or win the game at the buzzer.
 

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Yup. Really poor execution by Smart. And I do think he slipped too. Oh well.
Once he saw the carom, he realized he overshot his mark and slipped as he scrambled to recover. Smart is known for making the big defensive play in crunch time, but in this case, he just blew it.
 

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An interesting point from KOC about Hayward. He is extremely passive. He’s passed on half his drives compared to 33% from 13 to 17.
That makes perfect sense to me when you consider that he's gone from playing with George Hill and Rodney Hood as his sidekicks to playing with Kyrie, Tatum, Horford, Brown, Rozier, etc.
 

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Once he saw the carom, he realized he overshot his mark and slipped as he scrambled to recover. Smart is known for making the big defensive play in crunch time, but in this case, he just blew it.
Agreed. He came in too hot, then the ball bouncd harder than he expected, and he slipped trying to recover. I would be pretty annoyed if he did this in a playoff game but overall was happy to see the team play pretty well against the best team in the league. The Celtics didn’t really close the game out too well and still had a shot to win.
 

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What exactly is the purpose of the NBA rule that only allows 3 guys to line up in the spaces for free throws? Just curious what brought about that rule.
 

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1st loss at home in over a month...the team is moving in the right direction
@ PHI on 2/12, @ MIL on 2/21 and @ TOR on 2/26 will reveal a lot. There will be no talk of schedule loss for any of these three games as each game is preceded by a minimum of 2 days off. Really need to be competitive in all 3 games and win at least 1 to give more hope for a playoff run.

Remarkably this team has only played three good teams on the road since playing Portland 11 weeks ago on 11/11 (Rockets on 12/27, Spurs on NYE and Nets on 1/14).
 

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I can find a total one game where the Warriors had 30+ FTAs, and the opponent won, with sub 20 attempts since Kerr's hiring: January 6th, 2017, by Memphis, with a 39-19 disparity. That's the lone win in 9 (10 if you include tonight) such occurances within that time frame, including a 2OT loss by the Celts, in the Garden, in 2015.

Tonight felt like a lot of rushed deep threes late, unnecessarily, Kyrie in particular with about 20 on the clock, just outside the top of the key. In what was a one posession game, I understand taking that with the clock winding down, but it was suboptimal within the game's context and flow, especially given the look wasn't especially great.
Nice bit of digging.

I meant it as mostly a rhetorical question,as I assumed it was about impossible to spot GSW charity of that magnitude and hope to beat them. And looking at the stats from that game it took the Warriors shooting 3s @ 27% and the Griz with an awesome 4Q comeback to win it in OT.

And i agree with the rushed feel/real poor shot selection. I posted in the game thread the Celts helter skelter offensive flow was an approach that probably wouldn't work. But they almost got away with it.
 

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The problem is Kyrie can't guard Steph all that great either, and GSW is big at wing so we can't put either one (Kyrie or Terry) on Klay or Durant either.
or Brad could stop playing Terry and Kyrie together.

Smart, Brown, Tatum are all capable of playing the 2nd guard with Kyrie or Rozier