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Some solid numbers:

Irving: 27 points, 18 assists (career high)
Horford: 24 points on 9/12 from field, 7 boards
Tatum: 16 points, 10 boards
Hayward: 18 points, 5 boards

Brown was only 2 for 9 but he was aggressive at times and chipped in 5 boards, Baynes was 4 of 5 from the floor.
In fairness to Brown, 4 of his misses came when the ball made its' way into his hands as the shot clock and/or game clock was running out and he had to throw something at the rim he wouldn't normally take.
 

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Some solid numbers:

Irving: 27 points, 18 assists (career high)
Horford: 24 points on 9/12 from field, 7 boards
Tatum: 16 points, 10 boards
Hayward: 18 points, 5 boards

Brown was only 2 for 9 but he was aggressive at times and chipped in 5 boards, Baynes was 4 of 5 from the floor.
To add on, Celtics had 32 assists on 46 field goals. Not bad.
 

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For all the slack Rozier's been taking around here he was solid tonight. Someone mentioned trading him for Melton in Phoenix who hasn't yet looked like an NBA player for an awful team...….he'd be behind Wanamaker in the pecking order. The fact is......there are not many better backup 1's in the league than Rozier right now as long as he can get his head right when the real games behind in the spring.
 

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Good thing there's like 37 more games or something.
They have really proven to be good on the road through the first 45 games. Hard to believe much is gonna change there. The 3 seed is a must. Let’s go on an 8 game win streak.
 

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For all the slack Rozier's been taking around here he was solid tonight. Someone mentioned trading him for Melton in Phoenix who hasn't yet looked like an NBA player for an awful team...….he'd be behind Wanamaker in the pecking order. The fact is......there are not many better backup 1's in the league than Rozier right now as long as he can get his head right when the real games behind in the spring.
I'd take VanVleet over Terry in a heartbeat
 

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For all the slack Rozier's been taking around here he was solid tonight. Someone mentioned trading him for Melton in Phoenix who hasn't yet looked like an NBA player for an awful team...….he'd be behind Wanamaker in the pecking order. The fact is......there are not many better backup 1's in the league than Rozier right now as long as he can get his head right when the real games behind in the spring.
He played 19 minutes, only took 4 shots and had 0 turnovers. He also seemed a little bit more engaged on defense, although I don't remember him really having to cover Lowry or anyone else that was a centerpiece of their offense.

He mainly just stayed out of the way tonight, brought the ball up, passed it off and disappeared. Seen and not heard. That's perfect Terry. The question is can he do that night in and night out? I don't believe it, but we're definitely going to find out, for better or worse.
 

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For all the slack Rozier's been taking around here he was solid tonight. Someone mentioned trading him for Melton in Phoenix who hasn't yet looked like an NBA player for an awful team...….he'd be behind Wanamaker in the pecking order. The fact is......there are not many better backup 1's in the league than Rozier right now as long as he can get his head right when the real games behind in the spring.
TRoz is much better when he lets the game come to him and doesn't go hunting for his shots, which he seems to do more against worse teams.

The Cs can play with, or in some cases down to, any team in the league.
 

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What Kyrie did in the fourth quarter reminds me of what he did to the IT Celtics in Game 4 of the ECF a couple years ago. Celtics went out to a shocking early lead, LeBron comes out in the third quarter and Kyrie completely takes over the game, lead evaporates, Celtics fans dreams of somehow going back to Boston 2-2 evaporate just as fast. Dude can just score at will sometimes no matter who you throw at him. If AB and Marcus Smart can’t stop him who can?
 

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that Wilt stat , 515 consecutive 40 ppg, on ESPN, has to be wrong
Yeah, I'm not sure what that stat meant. Wilt only averaged 40ppg in two seasons (back to back in 61/62 and 62/63). He played 160 games over the course of those 2 seasons, but he didn't average 40ppg in the season before or the season after that, so at most, he could only reach like 300 games.
 

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Listening to the game via ESPN radio (via Orlando 580 AM) and the announcers seemed very pro Celtics. Very enthusiastic.
 

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In fact I think Kyrie is the best pure scorer in the NBA. Curry is the best shooter and Harden is the best bullshitter but Kyrie has the most complete and impressive offensive skill set in the game.
 

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Yeah, I'm not sure what that stat meant. Wilt only averaged 40ppg in two seasons (back to back in 61/62 and 62/63). He played 160 games over the course of those 2 seasons, but he didn't average 40ppg in the season before or the season after that, so at most, he could only reach like 300 games.

Actually, I figured it out. Because his 50ppg season was so ludicrous, it carried him for extra seasons. So, if you took a 515 game sample and averaged it out, he averaged 40ppg during that time. During his time with PHW/SFW, he averaged 41.5ppg over 429 games.
 

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Yeah, I'm not sure what that stat meant. Wilt only averaged 40ppg in two seasons (back to back in 61/62 and 62/63). He played 160 games over the course of those 2 seasons, but he didn't average 40ppg in the season before or the season after that, so at most, he could only reach like 300 games.
At best its misleading as hell. I don't feel like doing the work but its possible, that if you take Wilt's point totals over the 515 games (probably over his first 6-7 seasons) they average out at 40ppg. Otherwise its just wrong.
 

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For all the slack Rozier's been taking around here he was solid tonight. Someone mentioned trading him for Melton in Phoenix who hasn't yet looked like an NBA player for an awful team...….he'd be behind Wanamaker in the pecking order. The fact is......there are not many better backup 1's in the league than Rozier right now as long as he can get his head right when the real games behind in the spring.
to be fair to other posters, the argument isnt that he’s bad, it’s that he refuses to buy into the system. tonight we saw rozier looking to pass the ball on drive and kicks, and taking spot up 3s. that’s where he needs to live in this offense. he also stepped up his defensive intensity, staying in front of his man like his speed allows him to do, where he would routinely get picked.
 

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Kyrie scored or assisted on every Cs basket except the Baynes 3 from when he came into the game at 8:44 left in the 4th until the end.
 

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That when they get right they’re going to run over the league.
As a Net with KD, right? He meant the Nets! I hear lots of chatter from the fans in Brooklyn and talk pundits and a few port cellar residents that he is gone or they hope is traded or somesuch.

The NBA features a long season that is up and down. Even good teams don't routinely defeat bad teams by "15-20" points like some here expect when the C's win a tight one against a "bad" team or, worse yet lose to them. Teams make runs during games and during the season.

We have all been frustrated but again its worth reminding folks that unlike, say, the Pacers or the Blazers, this team is deep and versatile enough to do exactly as Kyrie says if they can "figure it out". I don't know if they can or will but we at least have hope. Imagine if you are a Hornets or Clippers fan - they each could make the playoffs but the odds overwhelmingly favor them not making it very far. This Celtic team, on the other hand, could make the finals and it wouldn't shock very many people.
 

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I just finished watching the game. That Kyrie shot from near half court to go up 6 with 2 left was insane. He’s a stone cold killer.

Also, although he had a great game offensively, Al is a real issue on defense. He should get a couple games off and see if he can get some speed back. Especially now that Baynes is back. Related, where was Theis tonight?

Good win.
 

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He mainly just stayed out of the way tonight, brought the ball up, passed it off and disappeared. Seen and not heard. That's perfect Terry.
Seen and not heard is “perfect Terry”? I get that he’s been woefully inconsistent and downright team-killing at times this season. And I missed tonight’s game.

But the guy who started when Kyrie went down last year didn’t stay out of the way and disappear. He carried the team at times. Even if it takes a while to get back to that, if ever, that’s the guy I want to see.
 

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It was a great win, but my excitement is tempered by the fact that Valanciunas and Anunoby didn't play.
 

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The funny thing is the "experts" just accepted the incorrect stat as fact without thinking about it. Sign of the times.
Nope. It was correct. Before the trade to the 76'ers, Wilt played 502 games and scored 20,317 pts.
That's 40.47 ppg in his first 6 1/2 years in the league. I guess it took 14 more games to get below the threshold.
 

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Nope. It was correct. Before the trade to the 76'ers, Wilt played 502 games and scored 20,317 pts.
That's 40.47 ppg in his first 6 1/2 years in the league. I guess it took 14 more games to get below the threshold.
Yes I and DotB posted last night, that was likely what they meant that stat to be, but the way it was presented was misleading.
 

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It wasn't really misleading, just mind boggling.
As I remember it, the ESPN graphic presented and discussed, compared consecutive game streaks and an easy first take interpretation was Wilt scored 40 points per game for 515 games in a row. He didn't, but he did average over 40 points over that 515 game period. DotB and I reached that interpretation/conclusion last night. It was an appples to orange comparison. I believe the like figure for Wilt is "65".
Lies, damn lies, statistics.
But agreed it is mind boggling.
 

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Here's the graphic:


BTW: it's kind of a weird stat since he averaged 50.4 points per game for the entirety of 1961-62 season and then averaged 44.8 ppg in the next season, and he has 5 out of the 6 best ppg season in NBA history but I guess they just wanted to make a point versus Harden.
 

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As I remember it, the ESPN graphic presented and discussed, compared consecutive game streaks and an easy first take interpretation was Wilt scored 40 points per game for 515 games in a row. He didn't, but he did average over 40 points over that 515 game period. DotB and I reached that interpretation/conclusion last night. It was an appples to orange comparison. I believe the like figure for Wilt is "65".
Lies, damn lies, statistics.
But agreed it is mind boggling.
So you missed the "averaging" part of the graphic. Thanks, wbcd.
 

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As I said an easy 1st take was Wilt scored 40+ on 515 consecutive games. And that was questioned and resolved last night.

Fwiw "Busted Coverage" seems to have assumed the same take by stating Wilt could not have had an off-night.

pleasure chatting with you.
 

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I think the reason the stat is misleading is when you hear that someone averaged 40ppg for 515 games, one would normally think that if you looked at his stats, you'd see 6 seasons, at least, of 40ppg. At least that's how I interpreted it at the time. But instead, when you look at his stats, you have to think along the lines of "he averaged at least 40ppg for two seasons, and less than 40ppg for parts of 4 other seasons, but the combined average of all 6+ seasons was over 40ppg."

I think it was a pretty straight forward misinterpretation, especially in the context of how it was presented vis a vis Harden. We all know Harden is on an epic run, and he's averaged 40ppg over the past few weeks, so it's easy to think about it in a linear way. But how many people would understand that if Harden has another 50 point performance tonight, his "streak" could jump from 21 games to 23 games, or maybe even more? In fact, the only reason he's at 21 right now is because the very first game in the "streak" was his 15 point performance against Utah on 12/6. If you go back to his 43 point performance on 11/16, he's averaged 38.5ppg over his last 29 games, so a couple more huge games could bring all of those older games into play, once he's able to, for lack of a better word, counteract/eliminate that 15 point game. His streak doesn't necessarily have to go up by one game at a time, it could go up exponentially if he keeps scoring way over 40ppg like he has been.