1/12 - at Magic

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Team goes on a 8 game win streak, then lose the next 3 including a home loss to the Suns. Now coming off a 4 game win streak where they demolish the Pacers and then lose b2b games to mediocre teams. So inconsistent and at this point in the season you have to wonder if this is just who they are.
 

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Kyrie pissed at Gordon for some reason. I think Gordon was supposed to break to the hoop as soon as he threw it in to Tatum, and he didn't, and Tatum had no choice but to throw up a prayer.
 

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What's going on there, Kyrie is at half court? Even if you don't want to run a play for him, shouldn't he at least be a decoy?
 

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Kyrie in Hayward's face. Gordon flucked up the inbounds...

we can blame Rozier all we want (and he sucks) but Gordon was on the floor there for a lot of that and the guy is supposed to be dictating play...
 

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Hayward was supposed to crash the basket. I don’t think the play was to Kyrie. He wasn’t even moving.
 

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Those second nights after the second night of a back to back must be very tiring, especially after South Beach.
 

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Yep, I think Gordon was supposed to cut to the rim as soon as he got it in to Tatum, and then Tatum was going to hit him on the give and go, but instead, Gordon kind of hung around and then broke once Tatum got the shot up.
 

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Team goes on a 8 game win streak, then lose the next 3 including a home loss to the Suns. Now coming off a 4 game win streak where they demolish the Pacers and then lose b2b games to mediocre teams. So inconsistent and at this point in the season you have to wonder if this is just who they are.
An enigma wrapped in a riddle containing a mystery; I feel ya.
 

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The play was for Kyrie to get the ball on the run from half court but Hayward didn’t wait for it or Kyrie didn’t make it happen.

Brad has dicked around with a bunch of games this year and it seems nothing will change until they have at least one fewer player. Rozier sticks out like a sore thumb. Ainge needs to take the matter out of his coach’s hands.
 

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Regardless of the final play, for almost the entire 4th quarter the team was totally undisciplined and flat out bad in so many areas. I have always liked Stevens but when that happens over and over it's a bad scene.
 

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Kyrie in Hayward's face. Gordon flucked up the inbounds...

we can blame Rozier all we want (and he sucks) but Gordon was on the floor there for a lot of that and the guy is supposed to be dictating play...
Agree with this....at this point Hayward is, at best, a mediocre player. We all know what happened with the injury and that he needs to play some minutes.

But Stevens has royally fucked that up. He insisted on playing him in crunch time tonight and the guy was awful (gave up a rebound to vucevic and was just generally abused on defense). It’s incredibly frustrating to watch.
Also, what happened to Brad yanking players? Or does that only apply to Tatum and Brown while Hayward+Rozier can do whatever the fuck they please?
 

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If this team can’t actually unfuck itself soon they’re going to be starting the second round on the road. If you told me before the season started that they’d be the 5 seed on January 12 I’d have been shocked.
 

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This was a loss. Period. I don't see anyone in this thread or anywhere else claiming it was a "schedule loss".

And if you don't believe in those I don't know what to say. There is plenty of data to support the idea that they exist including gamblers betting on them and making money.

However this is not a schedule loss. Its a loss on the road to a middling NBA team. At present, the C's are a mediocre good NBA team. They are capable of beating good teams if the circumstances are right and they can also lose, at home or on on the road, to bad teams.
 

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This was a bad loss and you can mostly blame the Celtics defense (as well as the bench which really struggled on offense). But when Aaron Gordon shoots 100% on 13 free throws, you know it's going to be a long night...
 

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The issue isn't the last play. It's why they didn't have a 15-20 point lead at that point against a crap team like Orlando, and why they let Orlando come back from a 12 point deficit late in the third quarter. That's where the game was lost.
 

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Here is my very scientific assessment of what happened.



Red arrows are when Rozier comes in. Green arrows when he goes out.
 

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The issue isn't the last play. It's why they didn't have a 15-20 point lead at that point against a crap team like Orlando, and why they let Orlando come back from a 12 point deficit late in the third quarter. That's where the game was lost.
Orlando isn't a crap team. They are middling team. They are capable of giving anyone a hard time in the NBA. They have beaten two teams that are ahead of Boston in the standings in the 76ers and the Raptors, both at full strength. 15-20 point *margins of victory* aren't common in the NBA but you know this - the average margin of victory in the NBA is ~3.1 points.
 

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This was a loss. Period. I don't see anyone in this thread or anywhere else claiming it was a "schedule loss".

And if you don't believe in those I don't know what to say. There is plenty of data to support the idea that they exist including gamblers betting on them and making money.

However this is not a schedule loss. Its a loss on the road to a middling NBA team. At present, the C's are a mediocre good NBA team. They are capable of beating good teams if the circumstances are right and they can also lose, at home or on on the road, to bad teams.
Yikes, I was joking.
 

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So he started a slide they couldn’t stop?
Yes - Orlando had two major runs in the game. Both started pretty much the minute Rozier hit the floor. Note that it’s not necessarily the lack of Kyrie since Rozier and Kyrie overlapped some minutes.
 

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Here is my very scientific assessment of what happened.



Red arrows are when Rozier comes in. Green arrows when he goes out.
That explains the -20.

Final play was not one of Brad's best moments. Whole year is a head scratcher. Players now openly yelling at each other.
 

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This was a loss. Period. I don't see anyone in this thread or anywhere else claiming it was a "schedule loss".

And if you don't believe in those I don't know what to say. There is plenty of data to support the idea that they exist including gamblers betting on them and making money.

However this is not a schedule loss. Its a loss on the road to a middling NBA team. At present, the C's are a mediocre good NBA team. They are capable of beating good teams if the circumstances are right and they can also lose, at home or on on the road, to bad teams.
The first half of this post is correct. However, the Celtics aren’t mediocre. They have one of the best point differentials in the league. What they are is inconsistent. They have a super high level of variation in their game to game performance making them lose more games than they should based on their talent and aggregate performance. It’s also the source of much of the frustration here. But, while it is frustrating, this team has already shown they are capable of playing like a contender, just not consistently. That’s a much better place to be than a team that looks consistently good (like last year) but lacks the potential to be great.

We all need to continue to be patient with this team because the potential payoff if or when they really do sort themselves out is the team we dreamed of this offseason.
 

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As a side note, other issues aside, the C's clearly have a problem on the road. Its hard to say how to remedy that and it doesnt bode well for them turning anything around. If this persists, they will be playing on the road in the playoffs in the first round at Philly.
 

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That explains the -20.

Final play was not one of Brad's best moments. Whole year is a head scratcher. Players now openly yelling at each other.
Hate the vibes around this team. No joy out there. Sometimes feels like some Blake/CP3-era Clippers bullshit.