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I like Ingles on the Bucks. That's an upgrade over Ted Cruz.
I disagree with this a lot for a couple reasons. One, think Allen will have a larger role next year not a smaller. Two, Ingles regressed a ton last year and it wasn’t variance…..it was a loss of his already limited physical skills. Defensively he couldn’t keep anyone in front of him and offensively he no longer could get to his spot with his dribble or create his own shot resulting in career shooting lows across the board…….

In a Contract Year!

And THEN he blew out his ACL!

Teddy Cruz is entering his prime coming off his best season as a 25 mpg guy on a contender.
 

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I disagree with this a lot for a couple reasons. One, think Allen will have a larger role next year not a smaller. Two, Ingles regressed a ton last year and it wasn’t variance…..it was a loss of his already limited physical skills. Defensively he couldn’t keep anyone in front of him and offensively he no longer could get to his spot with his dribble or create his own shot resulting in career shooting lows across the board…….

In a Contract Year!

And THEN he blew out his ACL!

Teddy Cruz is entering his prime coming off his best season as a 25 mpg guy on a contender.
While I don't think that anyone should be as bullish on Spaulding Smails as you are, I don't think that Ingles is stealing too many minutes from anyone. Probably not bad regular season depth for a team that seems to have a shortage of shooting sometimes.
 

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Super Max for KAT is a white knuckler. Glad that is not my problem. The others are no-brainers.
In the era of player empowerment nice to see these guys stay home.
 

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So ummmm……Miles Bridges facing some awful allegations from his supermodel wife that she posted on Instagram. I’m not on IG but Twitter is blowing up saying this is like career ending stuff.
 

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The exact amount reported on Jalen Brunson’s deal with New York — $104 million — is notable. This is the exact amount that would allow the Knicks to create a three-way sign-and-trade deal out of the recent agreement to send Nerlens Noel and Alec Burks to the Pistons.
Dallas would have to play ball, obviously, but the Mavs are incentivized by the possibility of creating a $12.5 million trade exception.
By setting the deal up this way, the Knicks can technically operate as an “over the cap” team, retain a $9.2 million trade exception from the Kemba Walker trade, and have access to their full non-taxpayer midlevel exception and biannual exception.
 

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So ummmm……Miles Bridges facing some awful allegations from his supermodel wife that she posted on Instagram. I’m not on IG but Twitter is blowing up saying this is like career ending stuff.
yea I’m not gonna post it but it’s awful. their kid saw the whole thing too.
 

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Super Max for KAT is a white knuckler. Glad that is not my problem. The others are no-brainers.
In the era of player empowerment nice to see these guys stay home.
If KAT isn’t a no-brainer I don’t know who is. His ceiling isn’t what it was a couple years ago (MVP discussions) but he’s for sure a Top 20-30 player in this league without much question imo.
 

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yea I’m not gonna post it but it’s awful. their kid saw the whole thing too.
Miles doesn’t appear to be bothered by this as he didn’t even miss a workout.
https://amp.tmz.com/2022/06/29/nba-star-miles-bridges-arrested-felony-domestic-violence/

There has to be a behavior associated with this. It’s exactly what Aaron Hernandez did the day after he was named a suspect in the Lloyd murder when he showed up at Gillette for his normal workout. Iirc, Kraft was there and told him that it’s probably a good idea for you to go home.
 

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Miles doesn’t appear to be bothered by this as he didn’t even miss a workout.
https://amp.tmz.com/2022/06/29/nba-star-miles-bridges-arrested-felony-domestic-violence/

There has to be a behavior associated with this. It’s exactly what Aaron Hernandez did the day after he was named a suspect in the Lloyd murder when he showed up at Gillette for his normal workout. Iirc, Kraft was there and told him that it’s probably a good idea for you to go home.
Sociopath? Fuck this guy. I hope he's playing for the penal league next year.
 

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Bridges will be an NBA test case, there haven't been many arrests in the NBA in recent years, and none that got big publicity, but as far as I can tell none of them resulted in any discipline.

Terrence Davis was arrested for assault, but charges were dropped when the woman wouldn't testify, no suspension.
Rodion Kurucs was arrested and charged, it was in court 1.5 years before he was allowed to plead it down to disorderly conduct, no discipline from the league

Malik Beasley is the only guy to get suspended. 12 games for pleading guilty to a felony (120 days sentence) for pointing a gun at people and threatening them.
 

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Miles doesn’t appear to be bothered by this as he didn’t even miss a workout.
https://amp.tmz.com/2022/06/29/nba-star-miles-bridges-arrested-felony-domestic-violence/

There has to be a behavior associated with this. It’s exactly what Aaron Hernandez did the day after he was named a suspect in the Lloyd murder when he showed up at Gillette for his normal workout. Iirc, Kraft was there and told him that it’s probably a good idea for you to go home.
Hernandez is the name that came up in our house tonight. I'm not on IG either, but my boy says that Bridges' social media presence for years was practically non-existent, but for the last year or so is completely different. Like from Joe Boring to something else overnight. Reminded me immediately how surprised so many people were to find out the depth of what Aaron was into (myself included). Things changed suddenly.

Posting this like nothing happened is some weird shit.
 

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Hernandez is the name that came up in our house tonight. I'm not on IG either, but my boy says that Bridges' social media presence for years was practically non-existent, but for the last year or so is completely different. Like from Joe Boring to something else overnight. Reminded me immediately how surprised so many people were to find out the depth of what he was into (myself included).

Posting this like nothing happened is some weird shit.
He's been trying to get a rap career going, and he's leaned all in to the "NBA player but also a gangster" persona. He's the one who posted what was obviously him drinking lean on instagram then later pretended it was lemonade.

Edit- oh and the lean picture he's also holding a joint (which is legal and not tested in the NBA, but kinda undermines the "oh I just double cupped this pink lemonade, I totally wasn't drinking lean" defense
 

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Bridges will be an NBA test case, there haven't been many arrests in the NBA in recent years, and none that got big publicity, but as far as I can tell none of them resulted in any discipline.

Terrence Davis was arrested for assault, but charges were dropped when the woman wouldn't testify, no suspension.
Rodion Kurucs was arrested and charged, it was in court 1.5 years before he was allowed to plead it down to disorderly conduct, no discipline from the league

Malik Beasley is the only guy to get suspended. 12 games for pleading guilty to a felony (120 days sentence) for pointing a gun at people and threatening them.
I would say the closest to Bridges would be when Arenas and Crittenton pulled guns on each other in the Wizards (Bullets?) locker rooms. Stern was the Commish then and only suspended them for the remainder of the season (like 30 games iirc).
 

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I would say the closest to Bridges would be when Arenas and Crittenton pulled guns on each other in the Wizards (Bullets?) locker rooms. Stern was the Commish then and only suspended them for the remainder of the season (like 30 games iirc).
I mean the closest are Kurucs and Jabari Bird, they both beat up women, and both are a lot more recent. The question is... those it was easy to pretend nothing happened wait until they left the league. Bridges is a maybe max player who got arrested on the eve of free agency, and his wife is an instagram model who publicly posted pictures.
As the NFL will tell you... a lot harder to ignore it when there are pictures or video. Ray Rice got a long time because he got caught on video, if he hadn't he'd have gotten 0-1 games.
 

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Bridges will be an NBA test case, there haven't been many arrests in the NBA in recent years, and none that got big publicity, but as far as I can tell none of them resulted in any discipline.

Terrence Davis was arrested for assault, but charges were dropped when the woman wouldn't testify, no suspension.
Rodion Kurucs was arrested and charged, it was in court 1.5 years before he was allowed to plead it down to disorderly conduct, no discipline from the league

Malik Beasley is the only guy to get suspended. 12 games for pleading guilty to a felony (120 days sentence) for pointing a gun at people and threatening them.
I would say the closest to Bridges would be when Arenas and Crittenton pulled guns on each other in the Wizards (Bullets?) locker rooms. Stern was the Commish then and only suspended them for the remainder of the season (
I mean the closest are Kurucs and Jabari Bird, they both beat up women, and both are a lot more recent. The question is... those it was easy to pretend nothing happened wait until they left the league. Bridges is a maybe max player who got arrested on the eve of free agency, and his wife is an instagram model who publicly posted pictures.
As the NFL will tell you... a lot harder to ignore it when there are pictures or video. Ray Rice got a long time because he got caught on video, if he hadn't he'd have gotten 0-1 games.
Very true. I forgot about those guys.
 

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even though he beat the C's thats a great comeback story

there is some crazy $$$ flying around the NBA, wonder how the JAYs feel about all these dudes with $40-50M extensions?
I mean, didn't Tatum just get nearly $200 million? Jaylen will be the interesting one to watch because if I'm remembering correctly the most they can offer him as an extension is something like 3 years, $110 million. But if he plays out the rest of his deal, a max would start at closer to $40 million per. Boston will have the advantage of being able to offer a 5th year and higher salaries, but it makes all the sense in the world for him to go to FA, so there is more risk around keeping him that I'd like...
 

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New Orleans Pelicans star Zion Williamson is nearing a five-year rookie max contract extension worth up to $231 million, sources tell
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Williamson said after the season ended, “I couldn’t sign it fast enough.” Indeed, the All-Star locks in commitment to New Orleans. The deal is expected to include protections that both sides were sorting through overnight and will finalize, sources said.
 

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even though he beat the C's thats a great comeback story

there is some crazy $$$ flying around the NBA, wonder how the JAYs feel about all these dudes with $40-50M extensions?
Ran the chart with Jokic, Booker, and Towns upthread. Add JB and JT to the same chart, and you'll easily imagine how they feel. They feel like they should be making 40-50MM.
 

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Seems like maybe a good sign (if you want him) that Gallo hasn’t signed right away to the high bidder?
 

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New Orleans Pelicans star Zion Williamson is nearing a five-year rookie max contract extension worth up to $231 million, sources tell
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Williamson said after the season ended, “I couldn’t sign it fast enough.” Indeed, the All-Star locks in commitment to New Orleans. The deal is expected to include protections that both sides were sorting through overnight and will finalize, sources said.
I bet this is a real interesting deal.
For 1 he's not eligible yet, so if he doesn't hit a qualifier (MVP, DPOY, All-NBA) it drops to 5/193, and word is it will likely have injury protections for any existing issues, maybe games played triggers? ANd then in exchange I bet Zion got the 5th year as a player option
 

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I mean, didn't Tatum just get nearly $200 million? Jaylen will be the interesting one to watch because if I'm remembering correctly the most they can offer him as an extension is something like 3 years, $110 million. But if he plays out the rest of his deal, a max would start at closer to $40 million per. Boston will have the advantage of being able to offer a 5th year and higher salaries, but it makes all the sense in the world for him to go to FA, so there is more risk around keeping him that I'd like...
Tatum has high-class problems and signed a 5/$163M max deal ;) It's how these ultra-competitive dudes keep score. Tatum was a little tweaked with how All-NBA/Media dictate salary during a podcast interview.

Brown can get more $$$/years/wins by signing in Boston not sure why it makes "all the sense in the world" to go FA and leave?
 

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Tatum has high-class problems and signed a 5/$163M max deal ;) It's how these ultra-competitive dudes keep score. Tatum was a little tweaked with how All-NBA/Media dictate salary during a podcast interview.

Brown can get more $$$/years/wins by signing in Boston not sure why it makes "all the sense in the world" to go FA?
Extension. Because of his current deal any extension would be far below a free agent signing. Jaylen is going to FA, and he'll have the choice between 5 years and a bit more per year, vs. 4 years somewhere else for lower raises.
Most guys re-up, but he's definitely going to FA no matter what.
 

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Extension. Because of his current deal any extension would be far below a free agent signing. Jaylen is going to FA, and he'll have the choice between 5 years and a bit more per year, vs. 4 years somewhere else for lower raises.
Most guys re-up, but he's definitely going to FA no matter what.
fine. semantics.

if he leaves it won't be about money, years or winning
 

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Seems like maybe a good sign (if you want him) that Gallo hasn’t signed right away to the high bidder?
Yeah, I'm not sure whether I want him but the delay and also Chicago spending some of its MLE on Drummond (which reduces the possible financial difference between offers) are likely positive signs for Celtics chances with Gallo.

I guess I'd say this---I'd like to see Celts add 3 pt shooting, shot creation, and 'depth' for the frontcourt across remaining spots---MLE, any vet mins, and TPE. Could all be done with one perfect fit, or could be separate guys. Gallo helps with those, though I worry about age, defense, etc.
 

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Tatum has high-class problems and signed a 5/$163M max deal ;) It's how these ultra-competitive dudes keep score. Tatum was a little tweaked with how All-NBA/Media dictate salary during a podcast interview.

Brown can get more $$$/years/wins by signing in Boston not sure why it makes "all the sense in the world" to go FA and leave?
It was 5 years, $163 million but making all-NBA pushed it up to nearly $200 million, I'm pretty sure.

As for Brown, I'm not saying it makes sense for him to leave, just that he won't likely sign an extension. Boston will have the edge in terms of years and dollars it can offer, but he will still become a FA, so there's more risk he leaves than if they could just lock him up on a max extension tomorrow.

Edit: I'm wrong. He had to make All-NBA in 2020-21. Not great for him, but nothing the team could do - they gave him the most money possible.
 

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Yeah, I'm not sure whether I want him but the delay and also Chicago spending some of its MLE on Drummond (which reduces the possible financial difference between offers) are likely positive signs for Celtics chances with Gallo.

I guess I'd say this---I'd like to see Celts add 3 pt shooting, shot creation, and 'depth' for the frontcourt across remaining spots---MLE, any vet mins, and TPE. Could all be done with one perfect fit, or could be separate guys. Gallo helps with those, though I worry about age, defense, etc.
Drummond probably doesn't really effect it, the reported offer of a bit over $7M a year for 2 years fits perfectly with what they gave Drummond to get their MLE.
I think Gallo is waiting to see how a few more guys shake out in hopes the Celtics add a year. My guess is that he would take the little bit less money to be in Boston, but not the 1 vs 2 year deal.

It was 5 years, $163 million but making all-NBA pushed it up to nearly $200 million, I'm pretty sure.

As for Brown, I'm not saying it makes sense for him to leave, just that he won't likely sign an extension. Boston will have the edge in terms of years and dollars it can offer, but he will still become a FA, so there's more risk he leaves than if they could just lock him up on a max extension tomorrow.
Too late, he had to make it the year before, once the deal kicked in it was locked.
 

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It will be about role.... well and maybe winning depending how the next 2 years go and who his offers are.
maybe role? He's a somewhat quirky superstar, he also doesn't seemed bothered with giving his teammates credit or the spotlight.

My only concern with "Jaylen leaving" in 2yrs (an eternity in the NBA) is him wanting to go back to ATL or a warmer climate.

As for Brown, I'm not saying it makes sense for him to leave, just that he won't likely sign an extension. Boston will have the edge in terms of years and dollars it can offer, but he will still become a FA, so there's more risk he leaves than if they could just lock him up on a max extension tomorrow.
OK that's completely fair
 

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Drummond probably doesn't really effect it, the reported offer of a bit over $7M a year for 2 years fits perfectly with what they gave Drummond to get their MLE.
I think Gallo is waiting to see how a few more guys shake out in hopes the Celtics add a year. My guess is that he would take the little bit less money to be in Boston, but not the 1 vs 2 year deal.
Perhaps---the initial report was $8 mil AAV for two years, and they likely can't do that and Drummond's deal. But it is not huge money difference---and in the big picture, neither is gap between what they have left and what Celts can offer.

Do suspect the 1-2 years is the bigger part
 
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