Kyrie is dirty rotten no good and we have schadenfreude…?

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Assuming health, which is a big assumption, the Nets will not necessarily need any more scoring or creation with Harden and Durant, especially with Harden having more of a natural PG role and Kyrie switching to a more off-ball role. If they are concerned about his health, or chemistry issues, it would make sense to flip him for a different type of player, because you could still get a lot of value for him. I don't think Simmons would be a great fit; sure he would improve the team's defense, but on offense he would be a liability because defenses wouldn't guard him outside of the paint and he wouldn't be running the offense if Harden or Durant are on the floor.
 

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It’s probably on purpose for load management or whatever. He always ducks playing.
Sure, it could be...

But are you seriously doubting that Kyrie Irving is a genuine anti-vaxxer? I wouldn't be surprised if he's legitimately bought into the microchip mind control mumbo jumbo.
 

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Sure, it could be...

But are you seriously doubting that Kyrie Irving is a genuine anti-vaxxer? I wouldn't be surprised if he's legitimately bought into the microchip mind control mumbo jumbo.
Of course he is an anti vaxxer. It helps his cause that it gives him an excuse to not play. He is always looking to not play.
 

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They’ll grant him some kind of bullshit exception if he continues to outright refuse. I don’t believe for a second that he’s going to miss a single home game due to not being vaccinated.
 

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Man I would love to see Kyrie try one of his “leader” tantrums with Embiid.

As messed up as the Simmons situation is right now, I wouldn’t trade him for Kyrie.
Oh, man...i would in a NY second. In a vacuum I can definitely see arguing Kryie is better, but for team balance man Simmons at the point center for the Nets would be hell on wheels next to Harden and KD. They are already playing that style with Blake and showed it could work. The improvement of Simmons over Blake would well outweigh what they'd lose in Kyrie since they have players who would fill KD's minutes quite nicely.

And it works for Philly...too -- be terrifying for the rest of the East and the league.

That said, given they're both head cases, lots of down side. But lots of down side keeping them on their current clubs, too. Would the clubs need to swap medical records and therapist records?
 

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They’ll grant him some kind of bullshit exception if he continues to outright refuse. I don’t believe for a second that he’s going to miss a single home game due to not being vaccinated.
Who is "they"? It's the law in NYC where the Nets play. Not sure what the implications are for ignoring a city ordinance, but I don't expect the city to grant Kyrie or the Nets a waiver.
 

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Who is "they"? It's the law in NYC where the Nets play. Not sure what the implications are for ignoring a city ordinance, but I don't expect the city to grant Kyrie or the Nets a waiver.
If the city doesn’t grant him or the Nets a waiver, what are they going to do, fine him? He’ll just pay it. It’s not like the NYPD is going to lead him away in handcuffs at halftime.
 

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If the city doesn’t grant him or the Nets a waiver, what are they going to do, fine him? He’ll just pay it. It’s not like the NYPD is going to lead him away in handcuffs at halftime.
The city (or the state) could simply refuse to open the arena if the team will not enforce the local ordinance. It could get ugly, as Silver has already made it 100% clear that the NBA will honor local mandates without exception. And recent polls show that about 70% of the adult population are absolutely sick and tired of the anti-vaxxers right now, so it's not like there will be this groundswell among fans to "free Kyrie".
 

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The onus is on the business/building owners to enforce the mandate so no one will be fining Kyrie directly. It’s going to be a real shitty look for the state, league, and Nets if they let him in, though I doubt the latter cares.
 

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The city (or the state) could simply refuse to open the arena if the team will not enforce the local ordinance. It could get ugly, as Silver has already made it 100% clear that the NBA will honor local mandates without exception. And recent polls show that about 70% of the adult population are absolutely sick and tired of the anti-vaxxers right now, so it's not like there will be this groundswell among fans to "free Kyrie".
So Schroder and other road non-vaccinated players won’t be playing in the New York games this year? If Kyrie is allowed to play you’d have to allow opponents non-vaccinated players to play as well. This is all such bullshit lol.
 

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Gotcha. So what is all this talk about Kyrie? You cannot allow say Schroder to play but Kyrie not to play simply because he’s on a different team.
Well according to the league you can because that’s the agreement they’ve made to keep games running in cities with mandates but I guess we’ll see how serious everyone is about it soon enough.
 

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I would have been absolutely FLOORED if Kyrie was vaxxed. Clownshow.

Even if they can't follow the science, can't they understand they 90% of their own peers have been vaxxed and they are all fine?
 

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Did this line of argument work on your hospital's phlebotomists?
There is a vocal minority that will never listen, no matter what.

Even as each excuse loses relevance (it's too new, it's not FDA approved, we need more data, etc). Doesn't matter.

Wouldn't shock me if Kyrie holds out for good.
 

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So who will be prevented from playing, and where? Wiggins can't play in the Bay Area, Irving can't play in NYC... in a few months we should know all of the know-nothings.
 

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Kyrie is now allowing his insanity to endanger lives

Irving, who serves as a vice president on the executive committee of the players’ union, recently started following and liking Instagram posts from a conspiracy theorist who claims that “secret societies” are implanting vaccines in a plot to connect Black people to a master computer for “a plan of Satan.” This Moderna microchip misinformation campaign has spread across multiple NBA locker rooms and group chats, according to several of the dozen-plus current players, Hall-of-Famers, league executives, arena workers and virologists interviewed for this story over the past week.



But one confidant and family member floated to Rolling Stonethe idea of anti-vaxx players skipping home games to dodge the New York City ordinance… or at least threatening to protest them, until the NBA changes its ways.
https://www.rollingstone.com/culture/culture-features/nba-anti-vaxxers-covid-1231988/amp/?__twitter_impression=true
 

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Unclear if he liked the posts that say the stupid shit, or some some different posts by the same guy who said the stupid shit.
 

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It sounds like Kyrie’s Aunt is a major influence in his life. Her quotes in the article are alarming.
This is true.

But let's give Kareem credit (again) for speaking truth to power and generally being an all-around awesome guy:
“They are failing to live up to the responsibilities that come with celebrity. Athletes are under no obligation to be spokespersons for the government, but this is a matter of public health,” the Hall-of-Famer writes Rolling Stone in an e-mail. Abdul-Jabbar is especially disappointed in athletes of color: “By not encouraging their people to get the vaccine, they’re contributing to these deaths. I’m also concerned about how this perpetuates the stereotype of dumb jocks who are unable to look at verified scientific evidence and reach a rational conclusion.”
 
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Kyrie is not only a danger to himself and family, he’s influencing other players to believe this utter nonsense about the vaccine. If I were Marks, I’d ship his ass out of town but we know KD runs that organization snd he won’t allow it. I am so glad that he’s out of Boston. What a complete nut job surrounded by other sycophant nut jobs.
 

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Kyrie is a mix of a nut job and just a flat out shit person. It's not that fucking hard--you don't get vaccinated, you can't play.

Honestly, I can't think of a player I hate more. The League needs to show some fucking balls on this, of all things.
 

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Some interesting—and worrying—things about the Celtics in that piece. Kanter sounds like he’s got his head on straight:

Enes Kanter — the veteran center, devout Muslim and outspoken liberal — senses a creep of the religious right upon his workplace, which just happens to involve players like Isaac sweating all over him and yelling in his face: “If a guy’s not getting vaccinated because of his religion, I feel like we are in a time where the religion and science has to go to together,” he tells RS. “I’ve talked to a lot of religious guys — I’m like: ‘It saves people’s lives, so what is more important than that?’”

Kanter’s current franchise, the Boston Celtics, had multiple players unvaccinated as of Thursday, he and a teammate say.
And if I’m reading this right; it sounds like Granite is encouraging this “it’s a choice” bullshit as a union rep:

Celtics forward Grant Williams comes from a family of scientists, and he got two shots in the spring. As the 22-year-old prepared to join the board of the players’ union in August, he found himself lobbying with the group to allow unvaccinated colleagues to scream from the bench without a mask on, for better team “communication.” That vaccine-denying teammates would be “encouraged” to sit away from him at team dinners — or on the other side of the locker room all year — was suddenly viewed as a concession to league management.

“Walking around them might be a hassle,” Williams says. “But no matter someone’s vaccination status, that won’t determine relationships. You’re not going to agree with someone on the same political issue, the same financial issue. Just like in life, you learn to adapt, you learn to talk to those around you. It might be a stricter stance from the league, and I understand where they’re coming from, but as a players’ association it’s our duty to fight for the players and their best interests, so we’ll do our best to counteract that.”
 

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I'd be surprised if the Jays are not vaccinated, but I guess you never know. Concerning if multiple players on the Celtics are not vaccinated for sure.

Kyrie is the worst, none of this surprises me. A complete clown.

I know there are a lot of complicating issues, but I wish the NBA could just force everyone to get vaccinated if they want to keep their contracts.
 

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I'd be surprised if the Jays are not vaccinated, but I guess you never know. Concerning if multiple players on the Celtics are not vaccinated for sure.

Kyrie is the worst, none of this surprises me. A complete clown.

I know there are a lot of complicating issues, but I wish the NBA could just force everyone to get vaccinated if they want to keep their contracts.
It wouldn't be a good thing in general if the owners could just disregard the CBA. The league did a good job in the last two seasons at balancing a lot of shit between ownership and union, keeping the money coming in while minimizing casualties and preventing stoppages (at least minimizing them). Whole truckload of stuff went on. Silver, the owners, and the players have pretty damn good communication and worked it out.

This venue/jurisdiction vaccine requirement thing is a huge test, and of course Kyrie is right in the middle of it. But the league has navigated some pretty choppy waters. My money is on the level heads prevailing. There will be some collateral damage, and nothing will surprise me with this fucking guy. If you can imagine anyone sitting out 50 games to make a dumbass anti-science point, it's him.
 

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It wouldn't be a good thing in general if the owners could just disregard the CBA. The league did a good job in the last two seasons at balancing a lot of shit between ownership and union, keeping the money coming in while minimizing casualties and preventing stoppages (at least minimizing them). Whole truckload of stuff went on. Silver, the owners, and the players have pretty damn good communication and worked it out.

This venue/jurisdiction vaccine requirement thing is a huge test, and of course Kyrie is right in the middle of it. But the league has navigated some pretty choppy waters. My money is on the level heads prevailing. There will be some collateral damage, and nothing will surprise me with this fucking guy. If you can imagine anyone sitting out 50 games to make a dumbass anti-science point, it's him.
I understand it's different, i just mean I WISH the NBA could do the same thing other industries are doing.

You want to go down the YouTube conspiracy rabbit hole? Fine. Find a new job.
 

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Silver might be the worst commissioner of the major sports. He needs to regain control of the league.

The NFL would never let a few stars dictate decisions for them.
 

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Silver might be the worst commissioner of the major sports. He needs to regain control of the league.

The NFL would never let a few stars dictate decisions for them.
This is sarcastic, right? I have much more faith in the NBA finding a workable solution than any other league.
 

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This is sarcastic, right? I have much more faith in the NBA finding a workable solution than any other league.
Yeah. Didn't Adam Silver single-handedly wake up the United States wrt COVID? Then he pioneered the return of sports with a revolutionary bubble.
 

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This is sarcastic, right? I have much more faith in the NBA finding a workable solution than any other league.
If the article is true and the minority of anti-vaxxers are strong arming the league into doing what they want then Silver isn’t as good as I thought. You don’t want the vaccine? Well there’s plenty of players that would fill your spot that are vaccinated.
 

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It wouldn't be a good thing in general if the owners could just disregard the CBA. The league did a good job in the last two seasons at balancing a lot of shit between ownership and union, keeping the money coming in while minimizing casualties and preventing stoppages (at least minimizing them). Whole truckload of stuff went on. Silver, the owners, and the players have pretty damn good communication and worked it out.

This venue/jurisdiction vaccine requirement thing is a huge test, and of course Kyrie is right in the middle of it. But the league has navigated some pretty choppy waters. My money is on the level heads prevailing. There will be some collateral damage, and nothing will surprise me with this fucking guy. If you can imagine anyone sitting out 50 games to make a dumbass anti-science point, it's him.
It absolutely would be a good thing if the owners disregarded the CBA in this situation. Just like it's a good thing when local municipalities are forcing police unions to get vaccinated.

They don't need to void contracts. Just tell players who won't get vaxxed not to show up to work. Figure out some way to share the financial burden amongst owners in the short term if you have to.

This shit should not be acceptable anywhere, much less with this visibility and with this platform. The NBA did great work early in the pandemic, leading the nation on response. They need to continue that with figuring out a way to make a vaccine mandate work.
 

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Some interesting—and worrying—things about the Celtics in that piece. Kanter sounds like he’s got his head on straight:



And if I’m reading this right; it sounds like Granite is encouraging this “it’s a choice” bullshit as a union rep:
not helping my perception of Grant here…