Paul to the Hall (2021 Hall of Fame discussion)

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Woj with the 2021 HoF list:

View: https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1393952640707477510


021 Basketball Hall of Fame Class: Players: Paul Pierce, Chris Bosh, Chris Webber, Ben Wallace; Coaches: Rick Adelman, Jay Wright, Bill Russell. WNBA: Yolanda Griffith, Lauren Jackson.

International Committee: Toni Kukoc

2021 Basketball Hall of Fame Class: Contributors: Val Ackerman, Cotton Fitzsimmons, Howard Garfinkel; Veteran’s Committee: Bob Dandridge; Women’s Veteran Committee: Pearl Moore; Early African-American Pioneers: Clarence Jenkins.
Paul Pierce was a no-doubt first ballot guy. Somehow Chris Bosh made more All Star games than him, which doesn't match my memory of how good Bosh was. Webber and Wallace are probably deserving, so no argument there.

It's great that Russell is finally getting in for coaching - it's no brainer to have him in multiple times.

All in all a good class.
 

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All no-brainers to me with the exception of Wallace who is an intriguing pick. Personally I wouldn’t have voted for him to be in the Hall as a one-dimensional role player, albeit a great one, who had to be in the perfect situation to make an impact.
 

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Double post.

EDIT. Nice to see Bill Russell going in as a coach. He got robbed by not getting nominated for an Emmy for his guest spot on The White Shadow, so this kind of makes up for it
 
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Pierce is the class of this class of players, as the only one with a career of top notch all around basketball. To me, Wallace was too one dimensional to be a HOFer, even with the four DPOYs. Bosh and Webber are marginal, unless everyone who averages around 19-20 points for their career is going in.

Adrian Dantley and Alex English should certainly go in if they put in Bosh and Webber.
 

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Pierce is the class of this class of players, as the only one with a career of top notch all around basketball. To me, Wallace was too one dimensional to be a HOFer, even with the four DPOYs. Bosh and Webber are marginal, unless everyone who averages around 19-20 points for their career is going in.

Adrian Dantley and Alex English should certainly go in if they put in Bosh and Webber.
Bosh is an 11x All-Star. I don’t think there are any 6x’ers not in the Hall much less 11. Aren’t Darnley and English already in? Almost certain English is.
 

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Mike Gorman also getting in as a Gowdy Award winner. He was vocal on the broadcast about thinking Tommy should get in as well, and he's not wrong.
 

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Bosh is an 11x All-Star. I don’t think there are any 6x’ers not in the Hall much less 11. Aren’t Darnley and English already in? Almost certain English is.
Both Dantley and English are in.

Bosh was a damn good player in his own right. Was a great fit on those Miami teams after toiling in anonymity for some bad Raptors teams.

Ben Wallace is indeed a borderline candidate. But there's a pretty good story about a D2 college player going undrafted and becoming four time Defensive Player of the Year award winner. So, it's OK by me to put him in the Basketball Hall of Fame.
 

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For the record, before today, Bill Russell - the first Black head coach in any sport - was one of only two retired NBA head coaches with multiple titles to NOT be in the HOF. (Active coaches with multiple rings are Popovich, Kerr, Spolestra).

Sort of seems like this took awhile.

Now the only inactive coach with multiple titles to not be in the HOF is KC Jones.

ED: Jones coached ten NBA seasons. Made it to the Finals five times. Had a .674 winning percentage. Had a losing record zero times.
 
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For the record, before today, Bill Russell - the first Black head coach in any sport - was one of only two retired NBA head coaches with multiple titles to NOT be in the HOF. (Active coaches with multiple rings are Popovich, Kerr, Spolestra).

Sort of seems like this took awhile.

Now the only inactive coach with multiple titles to not be in the HOF is KC Jones.

ED: Jones coached ten NBA seasons. Made it to the Finals five times. Had a .674 winning percentage. Had a losing record zero times.
KC coached 5 other seasons in 2 other organizations.....and was fired by both. Wasn’t he kind of a running...not a running joke....but recognized as a guy who let Larry and DJ run the team? He never did anything significant as a coach without Larry in his prime.
 

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Pierce is the class of this class of players, as the only one with a career of top notch all around basketball. To me, Wallace was too one dimensional to be a HOFer, even with the four DPOYs. Bosh and Webber are marginal, unless everyone who averages around 19-20 points for their career is going in.

Adrian Dantley and Alex English should certainly go in if they put in Bosh and Webber.
I think this is a little harsh on Webber who averaged a bit better than "19-20 points." In his 12 year prime he averaged 22.1 points, 10.2 rebounds and 4.4 assists, along with 1.5 steals and 1.4 blocks. Dude could fill up a box score. Bosh's numbers are significantly weaker, although being an 11-time all star on two title winners is good enough for me. I'm not a huge fan of giving players the benefit of the doubt for time lost due to injury, but his is a bit of a special case. His career was cut short by off the court health problems when he clearly had more to give (reasonably efficient 19/7 in his last year) and I have to wonder if that was a factor.

Wallace is a harder case - It's not being one dimensional that hurts him in my book, it's that he was really only an all star caliber player for maybe 5 years. 4 DPOYs is impressive, but he was replacement level before age 26 and after 32 - he's walking a tight rope here. I'll be interested to see if any other members of that Piston's team make the HOF in future years.
 

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I get the sense that the basketball hall is much more “open” than the baseball hall, but I’m still a little surprised about Wallace. My memories of him from Detroit were that of a dominant force, but his career line isn’t terribly impressive. He had a nice peak, though.

I am kind of lapsed from watching the NBA on a regular basis, so I was also surprised to learn that Bosh was an 11x all-star, and that he was voted into the HOF. I guess I didn’t pay enough attention to him. It’s crazy to me that he retired at the age of 32, though he did start early. He was pretty dominant up in Toronto, and it seems pretty clear that he gave him some of his offensive stats to fit into a team with Lebron and Wade.

Webber I remember being a guy who I thought of as hall of very good, and it’s a little surprising for him to get in after so many years, but his peak in Sacramento was really something.

Pierce And Russell? Well that’s just delightful and clearly deserved.
 

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KC coached 5 other seasons in 2 other organizations.....and was fired by both. Wasn’t he kind of a running...not a running joke....but recognized as a guy who let Larry and DJ run the team? He never did anything significant as a coach without Larry in his prime.
Well, he didn't get swept by the Bucks like his predecessor in Boston. In the 1975 playoffs his Washington team upset Boston in the EC Finals, and was favored to win the Finals but lost 4-0 to the Warriors. I think it was in that Finals series that they showed the Bullets huddle on TV during a time out and Jones was sort of passively standing there while Bernie Bickerstaff was directing the players and it gave the perception that he was just a figurehead or something, People disputed the characterization but it really followed him from then on.

I mean if your standard is winning a title I could say "Coach X never did anything significant without Player Z in their prime" about just about everyone.
 

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Well, he didn't get swept by the Bucks like his predecessor in Boston. In the 1975 playoffs his Washington team upset Boston in the EC Finals, and was favored to win the Finals but lost 4-0 to the Warriors. I think it was in that Finals series that they showed the Bullets huddle on TV during a time out and Jones was sort of passively standing there while Bernie Bickerstaff was directing the players and it gave the perception that he was just a figurehead or something, People disputed the characterization but it really followed him from then on.

I mean if your standard is winning a title I could say "Coach X never did anything significant without Player Z in their prime" about just about everyone.
I’m not saying KC didn’t do anything but he WAS a figurehead in Boston running The Big Three into the ground Dusty Baker-style. That isn’t worthy of being inducted as a HOF coach and he WAS fired early into his coaching tenure by his other two organizations.
 

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I’m not saying KC didn’t do anything but he WAS a figurehead in Boston running The Big Three into the ground Dusty Baker-style. That isn’t worthy of being inducted as a HOF coach and he WAS fired early into his coaching tenure by his other two organizations.
KC had good bench depth in 1984; McHale was technically their 6th man, and Ainge, Buckner, and Wedman all played key roles. And KC had a great bench in 1986, which he used to great effect.

The years where KC ran the Big 3 until they dropped were the years when the Celtics had zero depth on the bench: 1985 (Maxwell got hurt, and Henderson had been traded); 1987 (no Walton, no Wedman, Sichting went off the cliff, and Fred Roberts was their 7th man; and let's not forget Len Bias); and 1988 (Marc Acres and Artis Gilmore anyone?).

I mean, I understand why KC is not in the Hall as a coach; he had success at only one of his stops. But he was the perfect coach for them during the 1983-87 period when they made 4 straight trips to the NBA Finals.
 

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KC had good bench depth in 1984; McHale was technically their 6th man, and Ainge, Buckner, and Wedman all played key roles. And KC had a great bench in 1986, which he used to great effect.

The years where KC ran the Big 3 until they dropped were the years when the Celtics had zero depth on the bench: 1985 (Maxwell got hurt, and Henderson had been traded); 1987 (no Walton, no Wedman, Sichting went off the cliff, and Fred Roberts was their 7th man; and let's not forget Len Bias); and 1988 (Marc Acres and Artis Gilmore anyone?).

I mean, I understand why KC is not in the Hall as a coach; he had success at only one of his stops. But he was the perfect coach for them during the 1983-87 period when they made 4 straight trips to the NBA Finals.
I posted specific games a couple weeks ago when KC ran them into the ground on B2B nights against the dregs of the league in Birds 60-pt game in Atlanta and the following night at home against Phoenix. All three played nearly 40 min each night which was the norm more often than not.
 

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I posted specific games a couple weeks ago when KC ran them into the ground on B2B nights against the dregs of the league in Birds 60-pt game in Atlanta and the following night at home against Phoenix. All three played nearly 40 min each night which was the norm more often than not.
That was the point of the season where Maxwell was hurt, Ray Williams was trying to ramp up, and the rest of the bench was absolute drek. There were reasons why the starters were played so many minutes; KC wanted to bank wins, which wasn't going to happen if Carlos Clark and ML Carr and Greg Kite got meaningful minutes.
 

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That was the point of the season where Maxwell was hurt, Ray Williams was trying to ramp up, and the rest of the bench was absolute drek. There were reasons why the starters were played so many minutes; KC wanted to bank wins, which wasn't going to happen if Carlos Clark and ML Carr and Greg Kite got meaningful minutes.
I’m gonna say that I don’t think Kite would have cost us 15 points in a couple brief rotations against Scott Hastings and the immortal Rickey Brown. The Hawks and Suns were two of the worst teams in the league that year. He could have simply played Wedman more than 20 mph too.

The following night Parish and McHale were so toast that the Suns bench bigs, Charles Pittman and Charles Jones combined for 12-16 shooting and 12 rebounds in 40 min.
 

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I worked for the sneaker company Kite endorsed. He wanted money to run a summer camp. The company passed.
They asked him to go fly a kite? (/dad joke)

Back on topic...I actually think Pierce and Webber are kind of close in their peak, if you factor in that the title Webber should have gotten in 2002 was basically extricated from the Kings by the refs. You see by Paul's big advantage in win shares (150 to 84.7) that Webber's prime was quite a bit shorter. In PER Webber has the slight edge (20.9 to 19.7), although this stat favors players with more of a big man game and Webber grabbed a lot more boards. There is something to be said for the Fab 5 impact, Webber along with his teammates changed college basketball forever. The basketball hall of fame definitely considers overall impact to the game and not just a player's NBA career.

I think Webber's somewhat well-earned rap is that he did not fully enjoy the game and could carry an apathetic attitude during clutch moments - probably a coping mechanism from making the timeout mistake in Michigan on such a big stage. That likely colors mine and others' opinion of his career.
 

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I posted specific games a couple weeks ago when KC ran them into the ground on B2B nights against the dregs of the league in Birds 60-pt game in Atlanta and the following night at home against Phoenix. All three played nearly 40 min each night which was the norm more often than not.
I swear that you were calling for Thibs like a week ago.

KC was a great manager for those years. It was a mature team that needed a calming hand to manage the personalities, not an Xs and Os guy or a cheerleader.

McHale averaged more than 38 once, even after Max was gone. Chief never averaged 38. All of their numbers were comparable to Magic, except for Bird. Bird was a known hardo who didn't want to leave games.
 

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All no-brainers to me with the exception of Wallace who is an intriguing pick. Personally I wouldn’t have voted for him to be in the Hall as a one-dimensional role player, albeit a great one, who had to be in the perfect situation to make an impact.
Bobby Dandridge? Ben Wallace?

I can think of a lot of guys who should be in if those guys are.
 

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Being more explicit on KC and Russell, It was an odd coincidence that the two coaches with multiple titles who weren't in the HOF as of last week were both Black coaches who coached the Celtics.

Bill Fitch is in of course.
 

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Russell's coaching record post-Celtics was 179-207 over 5 seasons. Those Seattle teams were mostly anonymous teams from the mid-1970's, with Russell just having missed the DJ, Jack Sikma, and Gus Williams period. And of course that Sacramento team was just horrid no matter the coach. Yes, Russell coaching those 2 Celtics teams to the title was HoF worthy by itself, but Russell the coach still had the benefit of Russell the player (and John Havlicek and Sam Jones and Don Nelson and Tom Sanders).

KC Jones is an omission; I'd say his omission is more due to his quiet demeanor and perception as a complete "hands off" coach, even though his former players have said he would turn the heat up when needed.

Bill Fitch did have the benefit of 944 career coaching wins (to go along with 1106 losses), as well as taking 2 teams to the Finals. He was the beneficiary of endless opportunity during an era where the old boys network played a significant role in coaching hires.

EDIT: Another factor is that there are all of 3 individuals that have made the Basketball Hall of Fame as both player and coach in the NBA: Lenny Wilkins, Bill Sharman, and Tommy Heinsohn, who wasn't inducted as a coach until 2015. It took until 2005 for Sharman to be inducted as a coach. It's a very high bar to clear, and it often takes decades before the coaching aspect of the player/coach's career is recognized.
 
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Russell's coaching record post-Celtics was 179-207 over 5 seasons. Those Seattle teams were mostly anonymous teams from the mid-1970's, with Russell just having missed the DJ, Jack Sikma, and Gus Williams period. And of course that Sacramento team was just horrid no matter the coach. Yes, Russell coaching those 2 Celtics teams to the title was HoF worthy by itself, but Russell the coach still had the benefit of Russell the player (and John Havlicek and Sam Jones and Don Nelson and Tom Sanders).

KC Jones is an omission; I'd say his omission is more due to his quiet demeanor and perception as a complete "hands off" coach, even though his former players have said he would turn the heat up when needed.

Bill Fitch did have the benefit of 944 career coaching wins (to go along with 1106 losses), as well as taking 2 teams to the Finals. He was the beneficiary of endless opportunity during an era where the old boys network played a significant role in coaching hires.
My two cents:

1) Bill Russell is one of the most universally respected individuals ever to be involved in basketball. If he's not in the HOF as a coach, that is because he's already recognized as a player and his overall coaching record is not long or spectacular, nothing more.

2) KC Jones was a borderline joke as a coach with those Celtics teams. Those mid-to-late Bird era teams essentially coached themselves. KC not making it as a coach is not an omission, it's a perfectly reasonable choice.

3) Your final line is accurate and applies to Bill Fitch and Cotton Fitzsimmons both. I know Fitzsimmons got in as a "contributor", but what did he contribute outside of being a mediocre player and an average coach?
 

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Wallace is in because he was the face of a very memorable team that won and contending for titles over a pretty lengthy period of time, even if I think he wasn't close to the best player on those teams.

His career is really interesting; he was a very one-dimensional player. His offensive skills were non-existent. 5.7 career PPG, 1.3 career APG, the worst FT shooter in history at 41% for his career. He somehow only shot 47% from the field for his career, which is really hard to do when you basically only shoot putbacks. He was an awesome defender who guarded bigger centers, blocked a ton of shots at the rim and jumped passing lanes at an incredible rate for a big man. In the NBA in the 2000s he was able to thrive, where now I think he would be unplayable.

Wallace getting in is great news for Rudy Gobert, who is basically Wallace as a defender, but with much better offensive numbers despite being limited himself. In his prime right now he is basically 15-13, with 2.5 blocks per game and is shooting 64% from the field for his career. He has 2 DPOY awards and might win a third this year.
 

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Bobby Dandridge? Ben Wallace?

I can think of a lot of guys who should be in if those guys are.
The difference is that neither Dandridge nor Wallace had the collegiate impact of the Fab-5. This isn’t simply and NBA achievement award but encompasses other contributions as well even off the floor. The Fab-5 changed the college game and Webber was their star.
 

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The difference is that neither Dandridge nor Wallace had the collegiate impact of the Fab-5. This isn’t simply and NBA achievement award but encompasses other contributions as well even off the floor. The Fab-5 changed the college game and Webber was their star.
Yeah, I don't have a problem with Webber. But Ben Wallace? Come on. He was a really good defender and rebounder, and worthless at everything else. And he did that for like 6 years before falling apart.
 

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Yeah, I don't have a problem with Webber. But Ben Wallace? Come on. He was a really good defender and rebounder, and worthless at everything else. And he did that for like 6 years before falling apart.
Oh yeah I don’t disagree. I always like to ask the question, “What would this player have been if he didn’t land in the ideal spot for his skill set?”

Wallace would have been a nice player on any team in his prior. Kinda like a rich mans Montrezl Harrell. As I said, I personally wouldn’t have voted him in.
 

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Re: Gorman. I was lucky enough to get floor seats from a friend for a game a couple of years ago v. the Pacers (we sat front row, midcourt, the best seats in the entire garden) and brought my HS son who was a senior and an enormous basketball/celtics fan. We were sure to get there early to take in the warm-ups, see everything up close, and Gorman was walking in our general direction. I stood up and shook his hand and told him how much I enjoyed his work. He posed for photos with me and my son and engaged my son in some hoop talk (my son was wearing his HS hoop sweatshirt and noted he was captain on the sleeve, and Gorman asked him about it). He couldn't have been kinder and more engaging. Love that he's getting this recognition, not that he needs it or seeks it.
 

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Re: Gorman. I was lucky enough to get floor seats from a friend for a game a couple of years ago v. the Pacers (we sat front row, midcourt, the best seats in the entire garden) and brought my HS son who was a senior and an enormous basketball/celtics fan. We were sure to get there early to take in the warm-ups, see everything up close, and Gorman was walking in our general direction. I stood up and shook his hand and told him how much I enjoyed his work. He posed for photos with me and my son and engaged my son in some hoop talk (my son was wearing his HS hoop sweatshirt and noted he was captain on the sleeve, and Gorman asked him about it). He couldn't have been kinder and more engaging. Love that he's getting this recognition, not that he needs it or seeks it.
I sat in the row behind the baseline press row for the 2008 Finals. Gorman was incredibly gracious, and included me when they passed out the stat sheets each quarter. Doesn’t get any better watching the Celtics beat the Lakers in the Finals while chatting with Mike Gorman all game.

He was so gracious on air Sunday when Forsburg did an in game segment about Gorman being honored with the Kurt Gowdy award at the HOF, spending much of the discussion talking about Tommy Heinsohn, and about how Tommy should be in the Hall as a broadcaster
 

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Wallace getting in is great news for Rudy Gobert, who is basically Wallace as a defender, but with much better offensive numbers despite being limited himself. In his prime right now he is basically 15-13, with 2.5 blocks per game and is shooting 64% from the field for his career. He has 2 DPOY awards and might win a third this year.
There’s no “might”. Gobert’s DPOY is in the bag. He will probably start to face voter fatigue after this year though.
 

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Bill Russell loves to have people talk about him. This is fantastic. And Barkley will present twice.

The 2021 Hall of Fame Inductees and Presenters:
Val Ackerman, presented by Russ Granik (’13), Rick Welts (’18)
Rick Adelman, presented by Vlade Divac (’19), Jack Sikma (’19)
Chris Bosh, presented by Ray Allen (’18), Pat Riley (’08)
Bob Dandridge, presented by Oscar Robertson (’80)
Cotton Fitzsimmons, presented by Charles Barkley (’06), Jerry Colangelo (’04), Phil Knight (’12)
Howard Garfinkel
, presented byJohn Calipari (’15), Grant Hill (’18), Bobby Hurley (’10)
Yolanda Griffith, presented by Van Chancellor (’07)
Lauren Jackson, presented by Sheryl Swoopes (’16)
Clarence Jenkins, presented by Wayne Embry (’99)
Toni Kukoc, presented by Michael Jordan (’09), Jerry Reinsdorf (’16)
Pearl Moore, presented by Sylvia Hatchell (’13)
Paul Pierce, presented by Kevin Garnett (’20)
Bill Russell, presented by Charles Barkley (’06), Julius Erving (’93), Spencer Haywood (’15), Alonzo Mourning (’14), Bill Walton (’93), Rick Welts (’18)
Ben Wallace
, presented by Larry Brown (’02)
Chris Webber, presented by Isiah Thomas (’00)


Biggest weekend of the year for Springfield.
 

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If the NBA wants drama they'll make Bosh and Pierce go one after the other for the potential Ray Allen-Kevin Garnett interaction
 

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Mike Gorman is a treasure. Not too many teams have had iconic play by play guys throughout their history, but Mike has proven to be a worthy successor to the legendary Johnny Most, as television supplanted radio as the way Celtics fans followed their team.

I’m from Providence, and remember watching him at Channel 12 and on PC games. I mentioned it to him when getting to chat with him when sitting directly behind him at the 2008 NBA finals, and he made sure the media intern who passed out the quarter stat sheets to media row included me. I’m probably not going to get a better in game experience than watching the Celtics eviscerate the Lakers to win the title while chatting with Mike Gorman all game.
 

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Bosh going last. What ajoke

didn’t have any luck scalping a ticket but probably arrived too late to give it a good try.
Springfield police treating today like 9/12/01 it seems massmutal more cardoned off than Staples Center
 

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Mike Gorman is a treasure. Not too many teams have had iconic play by play guys throughout their history, but Mike has proven to be a worthy successor to the legendary Johnny Most, as television supplanted radio as the way Celtics fans followed their team.

I’m from Providence, and remember watching him at Channel 12 and on PC games. I mentioned it to him when getting to chat with him when sitting directly behind him at the 2008 NBA finals, and he made sure the media intern who passed out the quarter stat sheets to media row included me. I’m probably not going to get a better in game experience than watching the Celtics eviscerate the Lakers to win the title while chatting with Mike Gorman all game.
I remember Mike’s first job as the sports guy on Salty Brien’s morning show on WPRO radio on the AM. Jesus I feel like I just turned 90.