Juhann with that NBA length and quick hops, Cooper put him on skates but he still recovered to tip the shot
2021 Celtics LVSL Game Thread
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Maybe I'm not watching closely enough, but Romeo's handle is super loose when he drives to the basket.
Makes it really really hard for guards who rely on the pick and roll to do anything. But that is a weakness.
The lack of screens may be part of why all our guards look like they have no ability to beat their man off the dribble.
Cooper's been a mixed bag. He is completely overmatched defensively at this level right now. His vision is great, and he is has thrown a handful of highlight film passes (probably should have 10 assists), but he has been sloppy with the pass a few times. I think he will play in the league in time, but honestly I think he was rightly slotted in the middle of the second round. If a team had taken him where pre draft rankings had him (19-25 range), they'd have made a mistake.
Johnson is absolutely a value pick at 20. You can see why he got top 10 buzz, but obviously it will really depend on how he develops.
Yeah, he looks like he'd blow away in a strong breeze. I suspect he'll have a good summer league, then fade back during the NBA season, if he makes the squad.
Romeo is kinda giving me Crowder vibes. He doesn't look good with the ball, but his 3pt shot looks better, and he can definitely defend.
Romeo hits the big corner 3 after we shit on him all day is peak summer league board experience.
Langford didn’t play great but I thought his shot looked better. If he can shoot 35-37% from 3 he can be useful.
Not really. Summar games are 40 minutes. Edwards (30 minutes), Pritchard (30 minutes), and Madar (17 minutes) seemed to do most of the ballhandling and Langford was often on the floor with more than one of them.
Pritchard (7 for 15), Langford (3 for 7), and Begarin (2 of 4) gave the Celtics good 3-point shooting, going a combined 12 for 26.
The rest of the team shot 4 for 25 from 3, most of which was Nesmith (1 of 8), Hauser (1 of 6), and Edwards (2 of 8).
Rebounding leaders were Edwards (8), Langford (6), Pritchard (5), Auguste (5), and Begarin (5).
Assists were Edwards (6), Pritchard (5), and Langford (4).
In terms of racking up numbers, the guys with NBA experience (even as little as Langford's) were ahead of the rest.
I thought both Madar and Begarin showed a little something. What I want to see in draft and stash guys.
The rest of the team shot 4 for 25 from 3, most of which was Nesmith (1 of 8), Hauser (1 of 6), and Edwards (2 of 8).
Rebounding leaders were Edwards (8), Langford (6), Pritchard (5), Auguste (5), and Begarin (5).
Assists were Edwards (6), Pritchard (5), and Langford (4).
In terms of racking up numbers, the guys with NBA experience (even as little as Langford's) were ahead of the rest.
I thought both Madar and Begarin showed a little something. What I want to see in draft and stash guys.
He's at 22% for his career, 28% last year.
DARKO estimates him as a 31% true talent 3PT shooter right now, for whatever that's worth. Higher than I would have thought honestly, though he's still young and has shot FT's fairly well so far (73%) so I guess it thinks he's ready to "breakout" into the low 30s.
35-37% from 3 this season would be great, but also quite unexpected.
I mean, he has 45 career regular season attempts split over 2 years, it's a nothing sample. He shot 28% last year, but also shot 35% in the playoffs (on 1 less attempt than he took the entire regular season). Given his dearth of attempts, and that he's never had a season without a hand/wrist injury, we just lack adequate data to make a real estimate on his shooting.
I'm sure thats a part of why DARKO has him as a true talent 31% 3PT shooter. Small sample size has big error bars and I'm guessing it regresses pretty heavily toward average when there is less data. He is also a 35% overall FG% shooter on 139 attempts FWIW.
I mean, I don't pretend to know how he will shoot 3s this year, 35-37% strikes me as possible but quite optimistic. 90th+ percentile projection type thing. Time will tell.
Marcus Smart is reportedly being offered a 4 year extension of $17 million per season after having shot 35-37% from 3 precisely once in his 7 year career.
Haven’t read anything in here yet. I’ll post my thoughts following each quarter then read entire thread after the game.
Madar!!! Whoa baby! This kid wants to be a Celtic this year in the worst way. Love what I see. Wants to defend, scrappy in the Campazzo mold, and some flashy passing. The kid has a chance.
Nesmith. Still struggling with creating separation of the dribble. All 3 shot attempts were challenged hard after he failed to create space.
Begarin. Has to take better defense angles but I’m sure that will come. Knocked down a smooth corner 3. The tape I’ve seen on him made me a fan. Looking forward to seeing how he adapts as this game and the summer moves on.
Hauser. He’s gonna love Europe.
Auguste. He’s gonna love a low level league in Ireland.
Madar!!! Whoa baby! This kid wants to be a Celtic this year in the worst way. Love what I see. Wants to defend, scrappy in the Campazzo mold, and some flashy passing. The kid has a chance.
Nesmith. Still struggling with creating separation of the dribble. All 3 shot attempts were challenged hard after he failed to create space.
Begarin. Has to take better defense angles but I’m sure that will come. Knocked down a smooth corner 3. The tape I’ve seen on him made me a fan. Looking forward to seeing how he adapts as this game and the summer moves on.
Hauser. He’s gonna love Europe.
Auguste. He’s gonna love a low level league in Ireland.
very curious to see if Madar can keep up what he did today over the entire summer league. Kid looks HUNGRY.
Cs shot 51 3Ps versus 30 2Ps. Is this Ime's new offense - throw the ball around the perimeter and then chuck up a 3P?
Mader and Begarin are fun to watch but they are a year away from being a year away. I hope they both know it. Doogie Hauser will be fun to follow in Maine.
As for the other Cs, to me, no one really jumped off the page one way or the other. Which is somewhat concerning since the Cs are apparently banking on at least one of AN or RL to take at least one step forward from last year.
He needs to get stronger for both offense and defense. He really needs some range on his jump shot (and it looks like he has the potential to do so; that tear drop was pretty sweet and not an easy shot at all). I hope he stays overseas for another year and works on his body.
You saw the bigs on this summer league team, right? I think that played heavily into the C's shot selection today.Cs shot 51 3Ps versus 30 2Ps. Is this Ime's new offense - throw the ball around the perimeter and then chuck up a 3P?
Mader and Begarin are fun to watch but they are a year away from being a year away. I hope they both know it. Doogie Hauser will be fun to follow in Maine.
As for the other Cs, to me, no one really jumped off the page one way or the other. Which is somewhat concerning since the Cs are apparently banking on at least one of AN or RL to take at least one step forward from last year.
Also, seven 3-pointers from Pritchard, including two that got the C's back in the game late, jumped out at me.
Second Quarter:
Langford. Promised us that he’d show the offense that made him a big time recruit out of HS.......he didn’t. Knocked down a 3 though and beat man off the dribble to score but didn’t recognize the player sliding over for the charge.
Holman. Wouldn’t even mention if it wasn’t so comical how out of place he is at this level. I’d like to say that he was slow rotating but to be slow rotating you first have to rotate. There were 4 possessions in the 2Q where he blatantly stood as a statute on the weak side as a man rolled to the basket for a dunk right where he should have been. Not sure I’ve seen a player more overmatched in Vegas before.
Edwards. We know he can shoot in a setting like this but he’s getting destroyed on the defensive end.....in summer league. Nothing unexpected here.
Overall, we played great individual defense in the 2Q with the exception of Edwards, but Holman made Nesmith, Pritchard and Romeo look bad if you didn’t know what to watch.
Edit: Non-Celtic stuff. Cooper slowed the game down in the 2Q and played much better than he did in the 1Q. Made one incredible drop off pass in the lane that led to a layup. Jalen is super talented.....he needs to figure out how to incorporate his skills into a team concept.
Langford. Promised us that he’d show the offense that made him a big time recruit out of HS.......he didn’t. Knocked down a 3 though and beat man off the dribble to score but didn’t recognize the player sliding over for the charge.
Holman. Wouldn’t even mention if it wasn’t so comical how out of place he is at this level. I’d like to say that he was slow rotating but to be slow rotating you first have to rotate. There were 4 possessions in the 2Q where he blatantly stood as a statute on the weak side as a man rolled to the basket for a dunk right where he should have been. Not sure I’ve seen a player more overmatched in Vegas before.
Edwards. We know he can shoot in a setting like this but he’s getting destroyed on the defensive end.....in summer league. Nothing unexpected here.
Overall, we played great individual defense in the 2Q with the exception of Edwards, but Holman made Nesmith, Pritchard and Romeo look bad if you didn’t know what to watch.
Edit: Non-Celtic stuff. Cooper slowed the game down in the 2Q and played much better than he did in the 1Q. Made one incredible drop off pass in the lane that led to a layup. Jalen is super talented.....he needs to figure out how to incorporate his skills into a team concept.
3Q:
Carsen showing his pickup game skills. He’s ball dominant though so when others get touches it feels like they know they have to get a shot up since they won’t be getting it back if they pass. Doesn’t seem to be much trust or continuity from the C’s until after Edwards went to the bench. I suspect we are putting the ball in his hands so much so he can hopefully impress a team to take him off our hands.
Langford and Nesmith both look like crap offensively which isn’t surprising in this setting as they aren’t creators like and Edwards which is what you need in SL. They are forcing shots that they normally would never take in Boston. It’s one reason why I’m not crazy on guys like this playing in Vegas sometimes.
As I joined on Jalen Johnson at the half he comes out and commits two bad turnovers and a bad foul. He’s still clearly the most talented player on the floor for either team. We also saw vintage Auburn Sharife with a couple iso breakdown layups and another flashy pass for a layup.
Carsen showing his pickup game skills. He’s ball dominant though so when others get touches it feels like they know they have to get a shot up since they won’t be getting it back if they pass. Doesn’t seem to be much trust or continuity from the C’s until after Edwards went to the bench. I suspect we are putting the ball in his hands so much so he can hopefully impress a team to take him off our hands.
Langford and Nesmith both look like crap offensively which isn’t surprising in this setting as they aren’t creators like and Edwards which is what you need in SL. They are forcing shots that they normally would never take in Boston. It’s one reason why I’m not crazy on guys like this playing in Vegas sometimes.
As I joined on Jalen Johnson at the half he comes out and commits two bad turnovers and a bad foul. He’s still clearly the most talented player on the floor for either team. We also saw vintage Auburn Sharife with a couple iso breakdown layups and another flashy pass for a layup.
That was fun in a weird, something different kid of way.
Mazzulla went with his four veterans plus Begarin down the stretch and they got it done. Pritchard putting the clamps on Cooper denying him the angles he found in switches in the 3Q and Romeo hitting the big catch-and-shoot corner 3. The difference was that this group understood how to get stops and that was the difference down the stretch.
I liked the flashes that Madar and Begarin showed which should lead to more over the next two weeks. Neither should be in Boston this winter but Madar with added strength gives him a chance to make it in this league in a couple years. Begarin has the physicals and good shooting mechanics to build off. I really think we may have a steal in this kid. Check back in a few years.
Mazzulla went with his four veterans plus Begarin down the stretch and they got it done. Pritchard putting the clamps on Cooper denying him the angles he found in switches in the 3Q and Romeo hitting the big catch-and-shoot corner 3. The difference was that this group understood how to get stops and that was the difference down the stretch.
I liked the flashes that Madar and Begarin showed which should lead to more over the next two weeks. Neither should be in Boston this winter but Madar with added strength gives him a chance to make it in this league in a couple years. Begarin has the physicals and good shooting mechanics to build off. I really think we may have a steal in this kid. Check back in a few years.
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I thought that Romeo looked pretty good overall. He was impacting plays at both ends and the shot looks ok. But agree that he did not seem comfortable enough when attempting to run the offense, especially since this is SL. We'll see how the next couple go.
Pritchard as expected looked like the NBA player among his peers. Doesn't really belong here.
Nesmith seemed lost at times. Hustle is still there. Hoping to see more.
Love Madar's vision and hoop IQ, but he looks like a 9th grader trying to make varsity. Athleticism was better than I expected, and kudos for the motor, but damn does that kid need a cheeseburger.
Pritchard as expected looked like the NBA player among his peers. Doesn't really belong here.
Nesmith seemed lost at times. Hustle is still there. Hoping to see more.
Love Madar's vision and hoop IQ, but he looks like a 9th grader trying to make varsity. Athleticism was better than I expected, and kudos for the motor, but damn does that kid need a cheeseburger.
