If the Yankees acquire a starter, I wonder if they consider Severino for the bullpen in 2021.
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What Can/Should NY Do?
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Which part is semi-desperate? NY didn't give up any of their top prospects, no one in their future plans. This isn't George anymore and Hal is not telling Cashman what to do. Also I think they care so little about the Mets that I actually thought you meant the Sox the first time I read your post. They care about the other AL East teams and those teams are all loaded at the MLB level, the minor league level, or both, so it was time to make some moves and use that prospect depth I talk about here constantly.
Remaking their team in a few days time, limited to players made available mostly by teams dropping out of competition strikes me as a sign of semi-desperation, versus a more deliberate thought out approach taken over a longer time frame. And I believe ownership, with billions invested, has some incentive to pick up a phone from time to time.
If you have any specific problems with the trade, you might be able to make your point better. Otherwise you're just yelling to the clouds based on how you feel as a fan of a rival organization. If you think they're bad trades, explain why. If you think they're impulsive, explain what the downside is.
As usual, Cashman doing a very fine, rational and competent job. His only flaw is the hubris that peeked through with the Boone hire.
I mean, they’re just trying to get better, every contending team does it every winter and every deadline.
Love this idea. The bullpen is so shaky these days. Seve might dominate as a two-inning guy. You do this if you want to win in 2021. If you are playing for the future, you bring Seve back slowly as a starter.
A problem? No. But I'm not sure they've addressed the real issues. I liked adding LH bats, that seemed pretty obvious, but it seems they want to rely on power-hitting to dig out of a hole. I might have added more pitching, and they might.
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I just don’t get moving away from the lefty power hitter dynamic that has defined the Yankees for 100 years. I guess it just evolved. Judge, Sanchez came through the system. Greg Bird had a chance to balance the lineup but failed. And then came Stanton.
My fear is Rizzo and Gallo seem like similar hitters to what is hurting the Yanks these past few years. Not enough balls in play. Walks are great but can you walk your way to a pennant?
Rizzo is more of a contact hitter than a power hitter these days, but more importantly he is a superb defensive 1B and solidifes the defensive infield. They added two ground-ball dominant relievers this week and so that seems to be the plan there. I think that the rotation is actually in pretty good shape (everyone besides Cole is pitching great, Severino and Kluber are both on their way back), and the back of the pen is a mess but they have a ton of options in house to try.
It was the shifts on lefty pull hitters, especially in Yankee Stadium, and also just the way things worked out. They have been trying to fix it, though, in recent drafts and again this week's trades.
Can this lineup allow some relief from Stanton playing every day? He seems to need some time in the batting cage. O’Neill fielded a question from Kay last night to this end, just giving Stanton a few days off, and Paul did not reply negatively.
There's also the very real possibility that Stanton is playing hurt. I wouldn't be shocked at all to see him get an IL visit Sunday.
What if they rotated DJ and Gio at DH and third base for a week? Rizzo at first. Odor and Torres up the middle.
My iPad keeps auto-correcting Rizzo to Rizzuto.
I don't understand the point. All they did was give up prospects and odds are decent that none of them will ever do anything of substance in the majors. Sometimes I think there is too much prospect infatuation on this board. It's not a good sign for the Sox if Cashman is losing some of his infatuation.
It's a tough balance, you definitely need cost-controlled guys to be big contributors for your team so that you can spend to fill other holes, but what Cashman seems to be doing this week is deciding which guys are part of NY's future and moving a bunch of others, some of whom they would likely lose anyway if they didn't trade them before the rule 5.
(also when you and I actually agree on something, the world truly may be coming to an end.
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Damn it. I'm going to have to take a shower now.
Edit: Probably should have qualified that "most of them" won't do much. Out of six decent to good prospects at least 1-2 should be of some use.
Edit: Probably should have qualified that "most of them" won't do much. Out of six decent to good prospects at least 1-2 should be of some use.
I wonder if Cashman is under a fair amount of pressure to get, in my opinion, a poorly designed team, and an underperforming team, into the post-season.
Probably. My point has more to do with this not really being a mortgage the future thing. Now if a couple of them turn into Jeff Bagwell then sure it's a fuckup. But I'm not holding my breath.
The only mandate he has is to stay under $210M this season and make the smartest baseball moves he can given that. I hate to make definitive statements like that if I don't know for sure, but it's just not in Hal's personality to pressure Cashman like that, from everything we know.
Pre-trades I had reservations about the beer league basher profile of the Yankees. I didn't think they played interesting or good baseball, and were overly reliant on power. I find the collection of Yankee position players now a curious mix, albeit more left-handed, but I'm not sure the future is any clearer, other than I assume Gallo is a long-term asset. The traded prospects were not material to my POV.
This is my main takeaway from the trade deadline. Yanks got better without disturbing their elite prospects. How much better? That’s once again up to the players. But at least the lineup has some balance now. Opposing pitchers won’t have the luxury of facing right handed hitters 78 percent of the time.
It's also worth noting that it looked like Yankees were slowly trying to transition away from being power or nothing. They wanted Bird, Tauchman, Hicks, and Urshela to be multi-dimensional offensively. They also probably thought DJL added the needed contact to the lineup. It just didn't work out that way and when Voit emerged as one of the best homerun hitters in the league, they weren't gonna stop him from playing just because he hit homeruns.
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Brandon Lockridge is another guy having a possible breakout season in AA at 24, their 5th round pick in 2018, a RHH CF. If NY had another year to evaluate him (the lost 2020 season), they would have a much better idea what they have in him, but as it is, there are other guys waiting behind him who don't have to be protected yet, so another one who could move. He did not play in Somerset's game tonight.
https://www.milb.com/player/brandon-lockridge-663604
https://www.milb.com/player/brandon-lockridge-663604
Oh, interesting, I guess we'll see.
I have never seen Rizzo much actually, I think it will just be a rental and he will leave (he turned down 5/70 from CHC at some point, bad move dude). I am expecting a stint roughly similar in impact to Andrew McCutchen's a few years ago, it was nice to watch him in pinstripes for a few months too and he inspired by example, it seemed.
Jim Bowden's 1 AM list of possible trade candidates, 15 hours to the deadline:
"What’s the next big move to be made? Kris Bryant? Craig Kimbel? Javier Baez? Trevor Story? Jon Gray? Jose Berrios? Michael Pineda? Byron Buxton?Kyle Gibson? Josh Bell? Yan Gomes? Whit Merrifield?"
Byron Buxton is the guy there I would love, they could fit his remaining money under $210M and he is another guy signed through 2022. Of course the big risk is he is hurt a lot, but he has 2.9 bWAR this year in just 103 ABs, that is insane production. Gallo could move to LF and the OF would be set for 2022, Gallo/Buxton/Judge with all three in their contract year.
This feels like an overpay for NY but it works in baseballtradevalues:
Clarke Schmidt: 14.5
Luke Voit: 3.4
Everson Pereira: 2.0
Clint Frazier: 1.3
total: 21.20
Byron Buxton: 20.5
That fits Cashman's 2022 window, and also his recent 4 for 1 deals. It gives MIN a cost-controlled DH to replace Cruz, a present day OF and a future OF to replace Buxton, and a SP who has been top 100 on a bunch of lists in the last year or so.
Buxton CF
Judge RF
Gallo LF
Stanton DH
Rizzo 1B
Sanchez C
Torres SS
Urshela 3B
LeMahieu 2B (sorry DJ)
All under contract through 2022 except Rizzo, who NY could re-sign or replace with a 1B, 2B or SS and position DJ/Gleyber accordingly.
"What’s the next big move to be made? Kris Bryant? Craig Kimbel? Javier Baez? Trevor Story? Jon Gray? Jose Berrios? Michael Pineda? Byron Buxton?Kyle Gibson? Josh Bell? Yan Gomes? Whit Merrifield?"
Byron Buxton is the guy there I would love, they could fit his remaining money under $210M and he is another guy signed through 2022. Of course the big risk is he is hurt a lot, but he has 2.9 bWAR this year in just 103 ABs, that is insane production. Gallo could move to LF and the OF would be set for 2022, Gallo/Buxton/Judge with all three in their contract year.
This feels like an overpay for NY but it works in baseballtradevalues:
Clarke Schmidt: 14.5
Luke Voit: 3.4
Everson Pereira: 2.0
Clint Frazier: 1.3
total: 21.20
Byron Buxton: 20.5
That fits Cashman's 2022 window, and also his recent 4 for 1 deals. It gives MIN a cost-controlled DH to replace Cruz, a present day OF and a future OF to replace Buxton, and a SP who has been top 100 on a bunch of lists in the last year or so.
Buxton CF
Judge RF
Gallo LF
Stanton DH
Rizzo 1B
Sanchez C
Torres SS
Urshela 3B
LeMahieu 2B (sorry DJ)
All under contract through 2022 except Rizzo, who NY could re-sign or replace with a 1B, 2B or SS and position DJ/Gleyber accordingly.
Is there any chance they just keep Voit? Seems like it would help protect against the myriad injuries this team always seems to suffer.
I think if the Yankees can indeed get Berrios, you go for it 100%. Do they need him? No. Will he help them get to the playoffs this year, meh? But you essentially solve all of your 2022 offseason at the deadline while helping this year out.
My biggest concern is giving up the farm and then next year gets canceled. That would be a major punch in the gonads.
My biggest concern is giving up the farm and then next year gets canceled. That would be a major punch in the gonads.
Voit will likely make about $7M next year and with DJ/Gleyber/Stanton already on the team, if Cashman plans to sign a SS in the offseason, there's no room for Voit, again unless Stanton plays LF regularly which seems quite unlikely at this point.
View: https://twitter.com/feinsand/status/1421160889311432705?s=21
Surprised to hear this! Gotta think they have a good idea Rizzo will re-up given his NY/NJ family ties.
Surprised to hear this! Gotta think they have a good idea Rizzo will re-up given his NY/NJ family ties.
Yep, until the offseason at least.
All the moves combined, I think in the end NY moved nine guys who needed to be on the 40 this winter and took back just three (Gallo and two seemingly disposable relievers).
View: https://twitter.com/BryanHoch/status/1421232667429949443
It would be hard to imagine a better scenario having come together for the Yankees. They got very good talent without giving up the farm and then don't play a good team for two weeks (Marlins, Orioles, Mariners, Royals until Aug. 12, when they face the ChiSox).