Do you mean on the block before the deadline, or FA in the off season?
Trade deadline
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Before the deadline. Lots of useful names being mentioned. They all won’t be dealt but feels like many are obtainable, especially given the improved state of the farm system vs. a couple years ago.
I’m cautiously optimistic about what Chaim will accomplish this week.
I wonder if we might see more action at the deadline as teams are looking at the potential extra money from playoff appearances now that fans are back in the stands. We always look at the Wild Card as a coin flip, but if that’s your shot in, maybe ownerships may think it’s worth going for to help the bottom line.
There’s also a nice split between teams that are maybe close vs. out of it that weirdly breaks down between AL & NL: The AL has 4 teams chasing Oakland in the second spot before you get to Cincinnati being 5.5 games behind the Padres. That delineation maybe provides enough sellers for players to become available.
There’s also a nice split between teams that are maybe close vs. out of it that weirdly breaks down between AL & NL: The AL has 4 teams chasing Oakland in the second spot before you get to Cincinnati being 5.5 games behind the Padres. That delineation maybe provides enough sellers for players to become available.
I still can't understand why Hosmer got a better deal than JDM. IINM, both were FA's during the same offseason and I thought for sure that San Diego would offer Martinez a better contract than what the Sox were going to and we were going to end up with Hosmer. I recall Hosmer being signed first and just being utterly puzzled as to what the hell was going on....
EDIT--- really just came to plead for NO KIMBRELL!!!!! Just the thought of it is making me stressed out!
Hosmer was a solid defensive first baseman and he had "championship pedigree" or whatever you want to call it when a guy gets a boost for being a prominent player on a World Series winner. So teams like San Diego, to their detriment, put him well above his contemporaries (of which there were a ton that winter) and he got the big contract. The Sox did way better to re-sign Moreland instead.
There were some questions about JD's defense, which limited his market quite a bit. There was also the matter of his Lisfranc injury. It was enough of a concern that the Sox put that mutual option clause regarding it in the contract, so it likely affected other teams' interest as well.
I'd be very worried about him in Boston. He's doing very well mentally right now. If he came back to Boston, it may have a negative effect on him.
There's a question of whether Rizzo is actually even available right now. Supposedly, the Cubs want to try to sign both him and Baez long-term and may not give up on that opportunity before Friday. They seem intent on dumping Bryant and Kimbrel but Rizzo and Baez seem like less of a sure thing to move.
I heard that and it’s weird logic. They aren’t winning anything soon, unless Rizzo is just to sell tickets and remain pseudo-competitive.
It’d be one thing if the Sox were this good AND Toronto and New York were as good as expected, but that’s not the case. The Yankees are an absolute paper tiger, seeing collapses all across the diamond. They’ll need to expend a ton of resources to right their ship in the next couple years. It’s beautiful. That’s why it’s time we go for it.
- If Jose Ramirez is indeed available, I’m not sure if Cleveland would get a better package than Duran and Downs. Could very well be a bad move for them at this point in franchise history, but he’s the jackpot.
- If nothing’s happening there, the Marlins have an incredible surplus of young starters (Alcantara, Sanchez, Rogers, Lopez, Meyer, Thompson, Cabrera, Garrett, Neidert, Hernandez, Poteet) I’d want to pluck from along with Aguilar or Cooper to bridge us to Casas.
- I’d also be happy with Cron but think Bard is too dicey to fit the nice narrative. Either way I hope we push hard for Marquez. (I figure Story will be a Yankee.)
I think Bloom wants long-term pieces over rentals, and it’s such a buyer’s market that I think he gets it.
- If Jose Ramirez is indeed available, I’m not sure if Cleveland would get a better package than Duran and Downs. Could very well be a bad move for them at this point in franchise history, but he’s the jackpot.
- If nothing’s happening there, the Marlins have an incredible surplus of young starters (Alcantara, Sanchez, Rogers, Lopez, Meyer, Thompson, Cabrera, Garrett, Neidert, Hernandez, Poteet) I’d want to pluck from along with Aguilar or Cooper to bridge us to Casas.
- I’d also be happy with Cron but think Bard is too dicey to fit the nice narrative. Either way I hope we push hard for Marquez. (I figure Story will be a Yankee.)
I think Bloom wants long-term pieces over rentals, and it’s such a buyer’s market that I think he gets it.
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Given Cron's Home/Road splits (esp the 580/330 SLG% - Sox getting 387 SLG% at 1B now), I'd guess the best outcome is an improvement to league average at 1B. That's not nothing, but the cited numbers (247/360/463) are misleading without the Coors context.
Unless Cleveland is actively trying to destroy the franchise, that's an easy no. Half their top 30 prospects are middle infielders – at pretty much every 2B and SS spot from AAA down through Lo-A – so they should have zero interest in Downs. Financially, they also have absolutely no excuse to trade Ramirez, certainly no more now than they did in the off-season since they weren't expected to be real contenders this year anyway.
Because by the time they are competitive again he’ll be gone yes? White Sox are going to be good for a long while.
Why do you figure that Trevor Story will be a Yankee? I think there is a big possibility that they do nothing of substance at the deadline.
If the Cubs would rather trade Bryant, he'd be awesome too and could also lock down first base and extend the lineup in a major way. You have to respect his positional flexibility this year: 3B: 28; LF: 27 RF: 27 CF: 14 1B: 12.
The worst outcome is to give up prospects for a player who doesn't really satisfy what you need out of the position.
Dealing with the Marlins is probably too perfect to actually happen. Aguilar plus the surplus of starters you mention, make them an ideal partner for the Red Sox. Aguilar seems like a great fit to me ... clear upgrade offensively (could bat 5th or 6th and protect JD a bit), by all accounts a good clubhouse guy, and signed through 2022, so not a rental, but contract over for Casas' ETA ...I hope Bloom is working that angle.
Maybe it won’t be a deadline deal, but I think they’ll move on from Torres and he’ll be a Yankee by 2022.
Just an observation... IF they were able to swing this there would be no need to keep Gonzalez who's only value is his flexibility. The OF would be well covered as would first, second and third. SS would be the only concern should Xander need any time off. Roughly $6.5-7 M left on his contract though. Have to wonder how Chaim will absorb that and address another arm.
I'm not sure Gonzalez isn't already expendable. Yesterday's bench was Plawecki, Dalbec, and Chavis. Arroyo takes Chavis' spot when he returns. Any player the Sox acquire in trade would take the spot of either Dalbec, Duran, or a reliever. Where does Gonzalez fit? He can back up at SS but evidently Hernandez is capable of that as well. Cordero could be sent down again but Santana is also on the IL. If any possible trading partner would have interest in either Gonzalez or Santana as one piece of the trade that would be ideal.
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ESPN is doing Baseball Tonight starting at 2 pm.
MLBN is doing live coverage starting at 1 pm.
NESN is doing a trade deadline special starting at 3 pm.
As I already pointed out, their outlook now is exactly the same as it was in the off-season. No one expected better than a .500 finish this year except they've been buoyed a bit by the ineptness of the AL Central. Ramirez isn't a rental, he still has 2/$24M remaining in team options after this year, so if they decide to trade him (and it's really bad timing to trade their most popular player just as they rebrand the franchise), there's a larger market in the off-season. The current rumors seem like nothing more than speculation and page clicks.
Boy that's a bad contract. He can opt out after '22, which he won't do, and he has limited no-trade beyond that (Cot's). Padres could be willing to do it because he gains 10/5 next season and they could slide Cronenworth over to 1B now that they have Frazier.
Like you said, though, the prospect would have to be worth it
Welcome to trade deadline week, where posters just figure teams having down years will gladly ship their best players to the Red Sox without checking out the other team's minor league pipeline or long-range plans.
Trea Turner is someone I would pay up for. Throw him and Kike at the top of the order in front of the big guys and dear lord.
It should also be noted that Jose Ramirez hasn't played second base since he slid over to make room for Josh Donaldson in September 2018, and hasn't spent a lot of time there since 2017. It might not be a deal breaker, but he's been clear that he prefers third base.
I don’t know why Washington wouldn’t extend him. Will obviously cost a pretty penny and he just turned 28 so maybe they want to align players closer to Soto’s prime? Of course, you also run the risk of pissing off Soto.
Looking at first baseman on teams that will likely be sellers.
Nate Lowe
Josh Bell
Colin Moran (coming back from wrist injury)
Christian Walker
Jake Lamb (coming back from injury and no spot available with the White Sox)
Maybe Rhys Hoskins?
We've covered Schoop, Cron, Santana, and Mancini.
Running through this list, the focus will likely continue to be on Rizzo and Aguilar.
Nate Lowe
Josh Bell
Colin Moran (coming back from wrist injury)
Christian Walker
Jake Lamb (coming back from injury and no spot available with the White Sox)
Maybe Rhys Hoskins?
We've covered Schoop, Cron, Santana, and Mancini.
Running through this list, the focus will likely continue to be on Rizzo and Aguilar.
Devers may play the good soldier but I doubt he'd be happy with that so I'm not sure it would be problem solved.
If that were the plan though, Casas would be on his way to Cleveland as he'd be blocked.
I'd be shocked if Ramirez was dealt to the Sox, but I don't see the rebranding getting in the way of moving him if they get get a great offer somewhere. Cleveland has a few holes to plug and moving Ramirez could work nicely as a rebuilding coincides with the rebranding.
Sarcasm smilie forgotten ... I had previously warned * about the tendency of Sox posters during this week
I don’t think Hoskins belongs on this list. No way in hell Philly throws in the towel. And apparently he’s pretty gross with the glove so something to consider.
If Sox trade for a first baseman, Gonzalez could take Cordero's spot. Santana DFA'd. Cordero traded or back in AAA. I like having Gonzalez's glove on the team a la Pokey Reese 2004 ...
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If the Rays with Cruz and Scherzer get really scary. But no way they can afford Scherzer salary wise, right?
If the Rays with Cruz and Scherzer get really scary. But no way they can afford Scherzer salary wise, right?
Shouldn't we be focused on a left handed first basemen and so not Aguilar? The only dependable lefties we have in the lineup are Devers and Verdugo and I'd hate to enter the playoffs against top right handed pitchers with just these two. It was mentioned that Aguilar has improved his hitting against righties but is this a recent thing where we don't know how sustainable it is?
I thought this from Ian Cundall was worth a read on the prospects Bloom is likely to try to send out in trades.
http://news.soxprospects.com/2021/07/red-sox-trade-deadline-primer.html
http://news.soxprospects.com/2021/07/red-sox-trade-deadline-primer.html