2021-22 NBA Off-season Thread
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I'm so glad my team isn't the one with the GM talking about the "proprietary" investigation they did into the coach settling a rape charge, and how it totally cleared him, but you know we can't really discuss who investigated what or how, but trust us, we totally took it seriously.
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I mean man, even when colleges do this stuff they at least hire someone famous and have them write a report about how the College didn't do anything wrong, but should have had a better process.
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I mean man, even when colleges do this stuff they at least hire someone famous and have them write a report about how the College didn't do anything wrong, but should have had a better process.
But who? Dealing a #1 in a S&T would have been a massive overpay (Hayward, Grant). And Chris Paul wouldn’t really fit there. So hard to see it for GS.
Not many teams with a championship core have the chance to add the best or second best player in the draft. I don’t think Wiseman will be a Darko-sized mistake, but they must be kicking themselves for not taking the next superstar PG, who happens to have SF size.
Melo Ball driving and kicking to Steph and Klay for open threes would have been amazing. Plus, he probably would have averaged six or seven layups per game with the Splash Bros. spreading the floor.
Melo Ball driving and kicking to Steph and Klay for open threes would have been amazing. Plus, he probably would have averaged six or seven layups per game with the Splash Bros. spreading the floor.
The funniest story is the Sabonis one, he tried to escape it by refusing to come over, but the Portland curse hunted him down anyways.
Not a sign & trade. They had Wiggins for ballast and two Minnesota #1s, one of which was the second pick in the draft. They could have made a deal with someone to add another guy. Instead this year they're looking at making that deal for Siakam.
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Bill Walton started the trend of tragically injured Portland centers. He followed up his dominant performance in the Finals with a 48-10 record the next season when he got hurt, and missed the next four seasons, except for light minutes in 14 games his first season with San Diego before injuring his foot again, after sitting his last season in Portland.
He was never the same dominant player again, but miraculously got on the court for 80 games for the Celtics in their magical run to a title in 1986. I loved watching Walton play, for he has competitiveness, skill, size, and smarts to have been one of the best bigs of all time if he never got injured.
He was never the same dominant player again, but miraculously got on the court for 80 games for the Celtics in their magical run to a title in 1986. I loved watching Walton play, for he has competitiveness, skill, size, and smarts to have been one of the best bigs of all time if he never got injured.
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Jalen Harris suspended for a year.
Probably a career ender for a late 2nd round pick
Jalen Harris suspended for a year.
Probably a career ender for a late 2nd round pick
So Wyc was on with the 98.5 guys recently (I don't know when, I'm listening to a clip) and repeated what I heard him say on another podcast - that DA came to him in March and said that he wanted to step down and that if DA didn't want to step down, he would still be the coach.
Wyc also said that he still talks to DA and it's his belief that nothing is imminent but he wouldn't be surprised at some point if Danny didn't get back into basketball because he's spent his entire life in it but he didn't think it would be in a GM capacity.
He was also pretty adamant that the process was that Danny said he wanted to step down; they started putting together some names; Wyc asked Brad if he wanted to be considered; after about a week, Brad said yes; and then ownership promoted Brad without talking to anyone else.
Maybe he's lying but if he is, he's among the best I've ever heard.
I'll also say that I was surprised that the 98.5 guys asked all of the tough questions we've asked on this board - whether Danny really retired; whether Brad would be coaching the Cs if he didn't want the President job; whether the players tuned Brad out; whether Brad's contract was the reason they bumped him up; and whether Brad was a fall-back position or ownership's first choice. Wyc was very consistent in his responses..
You can listen to the interview here: https://985thesportshub.com/2021/06/29/wyc-grousbeck-tells-felger-mazz-hes-predicting-a-very-busy-july-for-the-celtics/
This could be true. We will find out if he takes a position with Utah. If he does, I don’t know how anyone can still believe the PR spin. If he remains “retired” then yeah, I’ll be the first to say I don’t know what really happened.
Bowie is a good pull and further evidence that Portland centers are cursed however Oden was more broken. Bowie missed only one season to injury while Oden missed four. Bowie's NBA career continued until he was 34 while Oden played his last game at age 26.
Saying Bowie only missed one season is a little cute. He played 63 games over four seasons age 24-27 and was never as good as he looked like he was going to be pre-injury. But you’re right he had a longer more serviceable career. Oden and Bowie get pretty equal bonus points for being picked one spot ahead of all-time top 10 players.
As a tangent to all of this, I grew up in Houston as a huge Rockets fan. Rumor was that the Blazers would have been open to a trade of Ralph Sampson for the #2 pick that eventually ended up being Sam Bowie. Later, the Rockets passed on University of Houston star Clyde Drexler so they could take Rodney McCray, who ended up being a role player and not very memorable in any respect.
In other words, there's a very easy-to-imagine alternate universe in which the Rockets started Hakeem Olajuwon, Clyde Drexler, AND Michael Jordan all at once, and in their primes.
In other words, there's a very easy-to-imagine alternate universe in which the Rockets started Hakeem Olajuwon, Clyde Drexler, AND Michael Jordan all at once, and in their primes.
I think the hypothetical position in a hypothetical Utah scenario will matter as well. If Ainge takes a role but is less involved in the day-to-day of the draft, contracts, free agents, and trades, then it would still be consistent with a retirement, as I don't think such a role really exists in Boston, but could in fact exist in Utah.
Why would you feel that role wouldn’t exist in Boston where he could be there for Brad, the coach he hired?
For 2 reasons (and to be honest, I'm totally spitballing here):
1.) It can actually be far more difficult to step back to a less involved role in your own organization than it can be to take such a role in a different organization. It's different when you are no longer involved in the key decisions and you see the people that worked for you suddenly act outside your direction. It's analogous to a VP running an organization of 100+ people taking on a "Strategic VP of Strategic Strategy Office" role. Even if it's on their own volition, those roles seldom last more than 6 months. And just being listed in the org chart (a-la Red Auerbach) may not have appealed to him at all.
2.) The ownership group in Boston seems somewhat involved in the team's operation, even if they don't directly make basketball decisions. So the organization may not be set up for such a role.
Agree on #2.
I would agree on #1 if a “lesser role” would be a demotion however I wouldn’t classify an advisory role as such.
Olympic basketball now has its own thread:
https://sonsofsamhorn.net/index.php?threads/olympic-hoops.34021/
https://sonsofsamhorn.net/index.php?threads/olympic-hoops.34021/
Hope we get some quality leaks about the types of packages that Philly is seeking and/or is being offered. Have to imagine that Ben gets dealt this summer.
I doubt a deal happens before the draft. Philly is, rightfully, going to ask for the moon prior leading up to the draft
Yes, fortunately the summer extends belong July 29th
I’m expecting an August deal once teams re-assess post-draft.
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Kawhi Leonard had surgery to repair a partially torn right ACL.
Kawhi Leonard had surgery to repair a partially torn right ACL.
This was always the pretty clear end game here once there was any ACL rumor but they didn’t immediately declare him out for the season.
Recovery unlikely to be much less than a full tear. Surgery and rehab pretty much the same as a full tear. Similar to Dinwiddie.
Usually the partial tears don’t have a full anterior tibial translations and are less likely to have associated meniscus tears and lots of other joint damage compared to the full tears.
Sham didn't specify in his tweet when the operation took place, but assuming it was this week, why such a long break between the initial injury and the surgery? I know ACL patients aren't always rushed into surgery, but Kawhi suffered the injury on June 14.
Yeah, Clippers still have such bad alternatives they are almost surely going to offer him their max. It would seem to reduce chances he goes elsewhere a bit though---other teams have to be pretty nervous about that commitment and about losing the first year, don't they?
While Kawhi may not rush back, the timeline on partial ACL repair is 3-6 months. It is unlikely that he will sit out the year.
Teams with ownership/front office stability would still be in play. Miami for sure and maybe Dallas I’d guess. The downside is that teams signing Kawhi wouldn’t have his first year contact paid by insurance.
This is Kawhi. I’d auto-stretch that window to 6-9 months before even taking next action.
Rad was saying above that you should consider it a full tear for the purposes of recovery?
Possible, I agree....though I do think the value of him is really impacted if you lose the first year (uninsured, as you note) and there has to be a bit of uncertainty about the degree of injury, right? At least, the Clips have a broader sense of where he is by having him all year than other teams. Not disqualifying for teams like those you list but just raises the risk profile a bit more.
My big fear on Kawhi has been that the Lakers somehow get involved. This does not make that easier (though it does not rule it out, and I guess a vet min 1 year deal is not somewhat in play)
I don't want to put words in rad's mouth, but I read his post as saying that the surgery is basically the same, but recovery time should be on the left side of the bell curve due to less traumatic movement within the joint during the injury event.
But as hrb notes, Kawhi may be on a sliding scale of his own. Maybe not, but maybe.
Not me. LBJ one year older. The Boogeyman isnt as scary as he once was. And Kawhi and Davis are a pretty fragile bunch.
Who knows with Kawhi, but partial ACL tears are a little trickier to get a handle on.
He probably wanted multiple opinions before moving forward with surgery. A full tear is usually a slam dunk on imaging and physical exam. The partial tears are in a gray zone, the clinical exam might be borderline/slightly loose. The MRI will show some intact fibers and not always easy to tell the exact grade.
Plus they were still alive in the playoffs, maybe he was holding out some small hope to return for the finals if he got different opinions.
Depends on the details but typically they will do a full reconstruction and the timeline is not much different than a complete tear. Sometimes for partial tears they can do some attempt at repair/PRP injection etc for a shorter timeline but sounds like Kawhi had a reconstruction. 6 months minimum. On one hand they might push the rehab a bit for a partial, but on the other hand it's Kawhi. I think 6-9 months seems reasonable/optimistic.
Yeah, I'm sure he will get the max if he wants it, assuming there isn't something else extremely surprising with his medicals. Definitely some risk with him missing a big chunk of his age 31 season and then giving big money for age 32-35. But he also is so good and would have so much excess value on a max at this moment it's still probably worth it for some teams.
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Hey, Then i’d go with what Rad says. He’ got more experience with this stuff then i do.
I agree that Kawhi will get a max from whomever - similar to Durant. But Durant did take less money to go play in Brooklyn, and his shot to win another title didn't improve with that move
As Rad stated, the Clippers were still alive in the playoffs so there was maybe a chance he could have returned and it is very common for players to schedule family vacations during the two-week Finals window (with the hope of a Finals appearance pushing it back). There is a personal side to this and having surgery following family vacation is one of these sides. It isn’t like you can easily push that back as you could if Kawhi landed in The Finals as he’d be pretty much immobile and working on rehab right out of the gate.