NBA Trade Deadline - Buyout Season Thread

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I think you are going to get jumped on by people "well, actually"ing about how much better Hayward is (he is), but I agree with you when salary and 3-point volume are taken into account.
I think the comparison was to Aaron Gordon, not Gordon Hayward.
 

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I think you are going to get jumped on by people "well, actually"ing about how much better Hayward is (he is), but I agree with you when salary and 3-point volume are taken into account.
He's talking about Aaron Gordon. At least, I'm 99% sure.
 

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I think you are going to get jumped on by people "well, actually"ing about how much better Hayward is (he is), but I agree with you when salary and 3-point volume are taken into account.
He means Aaron Gordon.
 

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One guy I wonder if they look at in the buyout market is.......

Kelly Olynyk.

He's off to a terrible shooting start this year, but traditionally he's been a legit stretch option, and his sneaky decent defense is nice to have.
 

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One guy I wonder if they look at in the buyout market is.......

Kelly Olynyk.

He's off to a terrible shooting start this year, but traditionally he's been a legit stretch option, and his sneaky decent defense is nice to have.
That's sort of appealing.
 

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One guy I wonder if they look at in the buyout market is.......

Kelly Olynyk.

He's off to a terrible shooting start this year, but traditionally he's been a legit stretch option, and his sneaky decent defense is nice to have.
Is this assuming that MIA gets Aldridge in the buyout market? I think Olynyk still plays a bunch for MIA even if that happens though
 

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Is this assuming that MIA gets Aldridge in the buyout market? I think Olynyk still plays a bunch for MIA even if that happens though
He's in HOU now, and they are setting their franchise on fire through gross incompetence.
 

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He's in HOU now, and they are setting their franchise on fire through gross incompetence.
It's going to be depressing when the Thunder are sitting atop two top ten picks this year my Rockets get stuck with a handful of picks in the 18-28 range.
 

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Quick reaction is that the Bulls did surprisingly well on paper. They are going for the play-in or beyond which is good for the franchise and the fanbase. The Clippers, Blazers, Nuggets and Heat improved considerably as well.
 

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Quick reaction is that the Bulls did surprisingly well on paper. They are going for the play-in or beyond which is good for the franchise and the fanbase. The Clippers, Blazers, Nuggets and Heat improved considerably as well.
Yeah, I like what they are doing.

Vucevic, Lavine, Williams, White, Markannen, Young, Satoransky, etc. is a nice group of players.
 

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Seems to me that there were a whole lot of lopsided trades. Teams got good players and gave up squat
Hard to say without more information. What were the markets for the individual players? And did the teams moving them feel that it needed to be done now for whatever reasons. Sports fans are quick to grade these things but they are making a boatload of assumptions in so doing.

Looking simply at teams who improved, those guys and the C's definitely upgraded to some degree. In the case of the Clippers, they seem to have upgraded meaningfully.
 

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Hard to say without more information. What were the markets for the individual players? And did the teams moving them feel that it needed to be done now for whatever reasons. Sports fans are quick to grade these things but they are making a boatload of assumptions in so doing.

Looking simply at teams who improved, those guys and the C's definitely upgraded to some degree. In the case of the Clippers, they seem to have upgraded meaningfully.
Clearly the markets weren’t what the selling teams had hoped. I was pretty surprised at a lot of the final prices. The only seller who did fairly well, off the top of my head, was Orlando with Vooch.
 

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Yeah, I'm not quite sure what Houston is doing these days.....
In fairness they upgraded the '22 first they got in the Harden abortion. But that's about it. I was honestly confused as to why they wanted Oladipo in the first place.
 

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In fairness they upgraded the '22 first they got in the Harden abortion. But that's about it. I was honestly confused as to why they wanted Oladipo in the first place.
He played well in Indianapolis before his injury, so I guess Houston was hoping he'd resume that kind of play. But, the Thunder had him on the team for a year, and I didn't think he was that great in OKC. Who knows.
 

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I would prefer Lou Williams to Rondo. I think the chances of Rondo replicating his bubble playoff run from last year are miniscule
Its not so much Rondo replicating his bubble run as much as the Clippers desperately need a ballhandler/playmaker. Rondo is pretty much the best gun for hire for that particular job.
 

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On the latest Simmons pod (Part 3 of the deadline one), KOC makes it sound like Drummond to the Celts via buyout is a done deal.
I listened to this pod and this is a pretty big exaggeration....he just said that the Celtics would be in on Drummond along with the Lakers, Knicks and Nets
 

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The Celtics jettisoned three players and brought in three. That’s 15 still on the roster, and Tacko/Waters don’t count as roster spots.

Who do the Celtics release to open a roster spot? Kornet?
 

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Thing about him is... nobody wants to pay him what he thinks he's worth in FA, so nobody wants to rent him given his not great performances this year. HOU probably holds him until the Summer and either re-signs or tries to S&T once he realizes his expectations of his market are unreasonable.
Oladipo is a player that tests an agents true value. You sign a college kid he’s pretty much locked into a slot with only a few extras to negotiate, you have an elite player under wraps you get him the max where he wants to play........you have Oladipo in your stable, like Aaron Turner does, this summer you are going to be earning that commission and reputation if you get him the max or close to it. Turner doesn’t have much in his camp but did get Rozier his money. Interesting to watch this summer.
 

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They could. I'm not sure how it works or what the vet min is, but even that may push the C's into the luxury tax.
I have the Celtics just under 700K below the luxury tax.

The pro-rated vet minimum as of Saturday would be 566,087 according to Bobby Marks.

Just barely enough room to slip under if they waive Kornet and sign one buyout guy.

I'd guess Olynyk, as others have mentioned, would be their best chance of getting a guy here.
 

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Clearly the markets weren’t what the selling teams had hoped. I was pretty surprised at a lot of the final prices. The only seller who did fairly well, off the top of my head, was Orlando with Vooch.
Plenty of sellers (Toronto, Orlando, Detroit, Houston, OKC, SAC) today.

There were rumors that the Pacers, Pels, Tor, Atlanta wanted to sell but no one was paying the asking price for Turner, Ball, Lowry, Collins, etc
 

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I have the Celtics just under 700K below the luxury tax.

The pro-rated vet minimum as of Saturday would be 566,087 according to Bobby Marks.

Just barely enough room to slip under if they waive Kornet and sign one buyout guy.

I'd guess Olynyk, as others have mentioned, would be their best chance of getting a guy here.
Olynyk would be an interesting addition. His efficiency is suffering this year but it seems like its a function of being overexposed as he is logging his highest MPG of his career. My only question is whether another contender is more appealing at this stage in his career. The Celtics are unlikely to win this year and he may want a legit shot at a ring, if available, before he signs his next contract.
 

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Yahoo reporting that Drummond is considering the following teams:

Knicks
Lakers
Clippers
Hornets
Celtics

LA teams have to be considered the favorites but who knows what he’s looking for.
 

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Olynyk would be an interesting addition. His efficiency is suffering this year but it seems like its a function of being overexposed as he is logging his highest MPG of his career. My only question is whether another contender is more appealing at this stage in his career. The Celtics are unlikely to win this year and he may want a legit shot at a ring, if available, before he signs his next contract.
Olynyk may want those things, if he does then yes he's not choosing Boston.

I just think he's their most likely chance.

If guys are looking for a ring, they're not coming here
If guys are looking for money, they're not coming here
If guys are looking for location, they're not coming here

Their best chance is having a role, and a connection of some kind.

Since Olynyk has been here, and they have a clear role for him as a 4/5 and the only big that can shoot from outside(assuming Kornet would be waived to sign him), he'd have a guaranteed rotation spot.

He's probably more of a backup plan for at least some of the other possible suitors, I'd imagine some of those spots are taken before Olynyk.

Maybe he won't even be bought out, but if he is, I think he's their best shot and fit.
 

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Still can't belive how epically dumb it was for HOU to trade Levert for Oladipo. They most assuredly could have gotten at least a first for Levert at the deadline. Or coul dhave held onto him and traded him in the offseason. Instead they got Avery Bradley and Kelly Olynyk.
 

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Still can't belive how epically dumb it was for HOU to trade Levert for Oladipo. They most assuredly could have gotten at least a first for Levert at the deadline. Or coul dhave held onto him and traded him in the offseason. Instead they got Avery Bradley and Kelly Olynyk.
I came here to ask this question as well. Can someone explain to me what the hell Houston did in this Harden trade?
 

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What Houston did was get blown up by having a disgruntled superstar. Their first "mistake" was having an asset that could dictate its own market. Not excusing them for execution but the minute Harden decided that it was Brooklyn or bust, they were already screwed.
 

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What Houston did was get blown up by having a disgruntled superstar. Their first "mistake" was having an asset that could dictate its own market. Not excusing them for execution but the minute Harden decided that it was Brooklyn or bust, they were already screwed.
I mean, they overpaid to flip Paul for Westbrook, which stuck them in a dead end once that didn't work. Then they got an OK haul for Harden (if Brooklyn's core ages out), but messed up the Lavert for Oladipo flip.

Harden was forcing his way out, but he had years left on his deal and his market was robust. If they hadn't messed up the Paul trade, they would have been in a great situation ala OKC where they could tank themselves while accumulating ALL THE PICKS from other teams. Now they're stuck hoping for lottery luck to get in the top 4 this year.