2021 BBHoF Ballot

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Putting guys like Larry Walker in the HOF but leaving Manny out is ridiculous, especially when Manny’s vote totals aren’t even sniffing the HOF.

As a RIer, Schilling can go to hell, but by his body of work in MLB should be a HOFer. It will be delicious to see his reaction if he’s rejected again this year.
 

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And we should giver a shit about what Gerry Callahan thinks ... why?
 

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Long time Res Sox fan here, but certainly a casual fan who is on SoSH for Celtics stuff.

Putting guys like Larry Walker in the HOF but leaving Manny out is ridiculous, especially when Manny’s vote totals aren’t even sniffing the HOF.

As a RIer, Schilling can go to hell, but by his body of work in MLB should be a HOFer. It will be delicious to see his reaction if he’s rejected again this year.
Manny failed 2 tests after MLB made it known that they were going to be testing for and heavily punishing PED users, I don't even remember speculation that Walker ever used PEDs, I think that's the entire difference.
 

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Schilling, Bonds and Clemens have one year to go
Bob Costas had an interesting theory on MLB Network just now. The three of them could all go in next year as a "Rogues Gallery" class. Then the controversy wouldn't overwhelm other deserving candidates on induction day.
 

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Bob Costas had an interesting theory on MLB Network just now. The three of them could all go in next year as a "Rogues Gallery" class. Then the controversy wouldn't overwhelm other deserving candidates on induction day.
In Papi's first year of eligibility?
 

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Schilling absolutely could make up the votes if he showed some contrition and the shut the hell up for a year about politics.

but he won’t.
 

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Schilling says he doesn't want to be on the ballot next year.
View: https://twitter.com/gehrig38/status/1354207908247048199

I want to share with everyone the letter I wrote to the folks at the Hall of Fame yesterday. They’ve been otherworldly kind and gracious in every way possible and I’ll be forever grateful to them and for that.
This was written privately and for their eyes only but I have always been fine with anyone knowing how I feel and what I think.

“Hey guys. Couple things. First off I am not sure I can express my level of gratitude and sincere appreciation at the graciousness, kindness and desire on all your parts to help me navigate this process. I can say at this point I am mentally done. I know math and I know trends and I know I will not attain the 75% threshold for induction.
As I’ve stated often over the past years to those I’ve spoken with in my heart I am at peace. Nothing, zero, none of the claims being made by any of the writers hold merit. In my 22 years playing professional baseball in the most culturally diverse locker rooms in sports I’ve never said or acted in any capacity other than being a good teammate.
I’ve certainly been exposed to racism and sexism and homophobia as it’s part of who human beings are. I’ve played with and talked with gay teammates. I’ve played with wife beaters, adulterers, assaulted, drug addicts and alcoholics. I’ve never hit a woman, driven drunk, done drugs, PEDs or otherwise, assaulted anyone or committed any sort of crime.
But I’m now somehow in a conversation with two men who cheated, and instead of being accountable they chose to destroy others lives to protect their lie.
I will always have one thing they will forever chase. A legacy. Whatever mine is as a player it will be the truth, and one I earned for better or worse.
Having said all that the media has created a Curt Schilling that does not and has never existed. It’s one of the things that has allowed me to sleep at night. Not an ounce of that is to absolve myself of sin, Lord knows I’ve committed my share and will do so again. Never malicious, never to willfully or intentionally hurt another person. I was 100% accountable and still am. Even the thought of responding to claims of “nazi” or “racist” or any other term so watered down and rendered meaningless by spineless cowards who have never met me makes me ill. In modern times responding to such drivel somehow validates the claim.
My love of this country has always been worn on my sleeve. My desire to do the right thing and be a good person has driven most of my life choices. I stood at my locker 400+ times after my starts and took every question and answered honestly. Those people who stood there asking the questions KNOW what they are claiming is untrue yet they quote, re-quote and link to one another story after story that began as lies and grew into bigger ones. The game has made it clear it does not want me back and that’s fine, the game owes me exactly nothing. It gave a billion more times than it took and I’ll forever be deeply in debt to it. My desire to work with and teach young men the art of pitching will be tucked away.
But as I watch my wife battle cancer and go through the grueling soul crushing process of chemotherapy and see her hurt every time some idiot writes another hit piece linking to other hit pieces, none rooted in any sort of truth but rather story after story of “what he meant was” and “what he’s saying is” and “that’s a dog whistle for” all the while providing zero actual acts or quotes of the claims being made I can’t help but to go into deep conversation with my father.
“Never live your life trying to impress people you don’t know, or who don’t know you” and what that means in todays world.
Being an aspie has allowed it to flow like water off a ducks back. But to see the hurt I’m causing my wife and to have my children read and hear this stuff and then look at me and try and match a public “image” that in no way aligns with the man their father is , has been something I never considered.
I do not and never will “scoreboard” the cowards but if I’m not mistaken only Jamie Moyer and I “swept” the humanitarian awards players can win. Awards meant to define who the true man is apart from the player. These same writers voted on those awards. Do those awards and 22 years absent of a single validating event to support their claims define me? Or does a “what he meant to say” tweet? Based on the vote and the pike of dung authored by morally decrepit men like Dan Shaughnessy it’s the latter. I cannot and will not say or do anything to possibly soften a weak willed mans opinion of me if it is not something I believe. Just or not. I’ve chosen Arizona as the team I would have represented if I had been inducted and even though I heard someone there is calling for the DBacks front office to “meet” should the induction happen I’ll stand with that decision as I know Mr Kendrick to be an honorable and kind man. Should that change it most certainly would be the Phillies. What Mr Henry and Mr Werner did to my family and I in my final year has been forgiven but will never be forgotten. One thing this text certifies is that I talk way too much but I know I was never a yes/no answer guy. I apologize for the insane length of this but I guess I needed an outlet and I sure as hell don’t want to dump any of this on a woman who just ended her 3rd chemo and provides the reasons I eat sleep and breathe everyday. Why the text? If by some miracle this would happen I have zero interest in taking questions from the very group who lined up to destroy my character with no regard to anyone in my life or being held to account for their lies. I would and will talk with the guys on the MLB network if you want that, but no one else.
I wanted to reiterate this final point. I will not participate in the final year of voting. I am requesting to be removed from the ballot. I’ll defer to the veterans committee and men whose opinions actually matter and who are in a position to actually judge a player. I don’t think I’m a hall of famer as I’ve often stated but if former players think I am then I’ll accept that with honor.
Again, I won’t be able to thank you for your kindness and sincere interest in this process as it pertains to me. I’ll be forever grateful. God Bless you all again and one more time a final thank you for all your efforts to help my family and I.
 
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Fuck Abreu being under 10%. Unfucking real. Despite 151 fewer plate appearances, reached base 24 times more than Gwynn; also exceeds names like Lajoie, Brock, Clemente. Only Abreu and David Wright have 5 seasons of 40+ doubles, 20+ homers, 15+ SB.

I’m not even going to get into how bothered I am to not see Rolen. We have SEVEN total 3B inducted. Absurd. One of only two ever 3B with 300+ jacks, 150+ DRS, alongside Beltre. Top 5 guy at the position.

It’s a museum, whatever, ultimately, doesn’t deny what was done on the field. But what a shitty look for the sport, short and long. Fuck man, I want a ballot. I’m kind of irrationally angry right now. Tells kids today the game they’re growing up with isn’t good enough. Again. Like they don’t hear that every game from guys like Smoltz?
 

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He has Aspergers? I work with a lot of kids with Aspergers and have never ever heard one refer to themselves as an Aspie. Maybe he meant ass.

What is he referring to between him and Henry/Warner?

I'm taking way too much delight in him crying about this. What a loser.
 

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So Schilling wants to go in as a Diamondback and hasn’t forgotten what Henry and Werner did to him and his family. Did I miss something?
I don't think you missed anything. I don't know what he is talking about either. Suffice to say it was probably something only Schilling knows about.
 

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I hope Schilling gets voted in by the special committee the year after he dies, and whoever speaks on his behalf is less full of hatred and inflammatory rhetoric than he.
 

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I don't have the patience to read the lengthy diatribe Schill posted. I scanned it. He is such a narcissistic prick.

Fuck him.
 

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As an autistic person (not Asperger's, but on the spectrum) I'm pretty offended to see him try to use that condition as an excuse.
 

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Fuck Abreu being under 10%. Unfucking real. Despite 151 fewer plate appearances, reached base 24 times more than Gwynn; also exceeds names like Lajoie, Brock, Clemente. Only Abreu and David Wright have 5 seasons of 40+ doubles, 20+ homers, 15+ SB.

I’m not even going to get into how bothered I am to not see Rolen. We have SEVEN total 3B inducted. Absurd. One of only two ever 3B with 300+ jacks, 150+ DRS, alongside Beltre. Top 5 guy at the position.

It’s a museum, whatever, ultimately, doesn’t deny what was done on the field. But what a shitty look for the sport, short and long. Fuck man, I want a ballot. I’m kind of irrationally angry right now. Tells kids today the game they’re growing up with isn’t good enough. Again. Like they don’t hear that every game from guys like Smoltz?
I could take it or leave it on Abreu (he should have gotten more votes but he's a borderline case at best), but Rolen not yet in is a disgrace. Bonds/Clemens (the two greatest players of the last half century) not being in is an abomination, even if I understand the reasoning.
 

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In Papi's first year of eligibility?
I love Papi, but if he gets in on his first ballot while none of clemens, bonds, and arod get in then the entire process will prove to be even more of a joke than the last 5-10 years has already proven it to be
 

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Wow, that election surely must have been rigged!
No wonder Schilling is acting like a big baby and demanding that he be removed from the ballot next year.

The big Schill signed an $8 million contract (with a weight clause) for 2008 but never pitched because of an injury, and had beef with the Red Sox over "treatment options."
https://www.espn.com/mlb/news/story?id=3096549
From his Wikipedia page:
"Schilling missed all of the 2008 season because of a shoulder injury. The injury was first revealed in February 2008 and the treatment options became a point of contention between Schilling and the Red Sox management.[25] On March 13, 2008, the Red Sox placed Schilling on the 60-day disabled list as he continued to rehabilitate his right shoulder.[26] On June 18, 2008, Curt Schilling left the team to be reevaluated after suffering pain when throwing off the mound.[27] On June 20, 2008 Schilling stated on WEEI's Dennis and Callahan show that he would undergo season-ending surgery and that he had possibly thrown the last pitch of his career.[28] On June 23, 2008, Schilling underwent biceps surgery, during which a small undersurface tear on the rotator cuff was discovered and stitched, and a separation of the labrum was repaired."
 

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Paid him $8 million not to pitch a single game.
not even pitch? should've used that money to follow his video game passion.

but more seriously, that's... i don't get why he's mad about that. i'd take $8mm from fenway sports group to do nothing.
 

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I love Papi, but if he gets in on his first ballot while none of clemens, bonds, and arod get in then the entire process will prove to be even more of a joke than the last 5-10 years has already proven it to be
He also trails Abreu by 5 bWAR, and apparently Abreu only gets passing interest. [N.B. Abreu's case is similarly all about offensive production and a negative value defensively.] But people sing songs about Ortiz' playoff performances, and not about Abreu, who was a postseason nonentity. So if he gets in and Abreu continues to be an afterthought, well, there you go.
 

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Doesn't consider himself a HOF worthy player, pens 10,000 word diatribe on how he's just a nice guy and should be in the HOF.
 

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I love Papi, but if he gets in on his first ballot while none of clemens, bonds, and arod get in then the entire process will prove to be even more of a joke than the last 5-10 years has already proven it to be
Because you know Papi for sure took steroids? The Mitchell Report was never believed to be conclusive
 

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I’m not even going to get into how bothered I am to not see Rolen. We have SEVEN total 3B inducted. Absurd. One of only two ever 3B with 300+ jacks, 150+ DRS, alongside Beltre. Top 5 guy at the position.
I think he's done the slow gain each year and might jump a bit next year
 

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I love Papi, but if he gets in on his first ballot while none of clemens, bonds, and arod get in then the entire process will prove to be even more of a joke than the last 5-10 years has already proven it to be
But by this logic, no one should be a first ballot HOFer ever again, which is silly. I'm fine with Papi being first ballot. Making him wait wouldn't right the wrong of keeping these all time greats out so long (or other worthy HOFers having fallen off the ballot already). Clemens and Bonds really need to be voted in next year, but I don't know if I see that happening.
 

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He has Aspergers? I work with a lot of kids with Aspergers and have never ever heard one refer to themselves as an Aspie. Maybe he meant ass.
Oddly Aspie is a somewhat common term where I am and also in certain internet circles according to my 14 year old. But in this case, ass applies far more readily.
 

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Fuck Abreu being under 10%. Unfucking real. Despite 151 fewer plate appearances, reached base 24 times more than Gwynn; also exceeds names like Lajoie, Brock, Clemente. Only Abreu and David Wright have 5 seasons of 40+ doubles, 20+ homers, 15+ SB.

I’m not even going to get into how bothered I am to not see Rolen. We have SEVEN total 3B inducted. Absurd. One of only two ever 3B with 300+ jacks, 150+ DRS, alongside Beltre. Top 5 guy at the position.

It’s a museum, whatever, ultimately, doesn’t deny what was done on the field. But what a shitty look for the sport, short and long. Fuck man, I want a ballot. I’m kind of irrationally angry right now. Tells kids today the game they’re growing up with isn’t good enough. Again. Like they don’t hear that every game from guys like Smoltz?
Rolen seems pretty likely to get in after the upward move he had this year.

it is absurd though that there's only 7 third basemen in the HoF.
 

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But by this logic, no one should be a first ballot HOFer ever again, which is silly. I'm fine with Papi being first ballot. Making him wait wouldn't right the wrong of keeping these all time greats out so long (or other worthy HOFers having fallen off the ballot already). Clemens and Bonds really need to be voted in next year, but I don't know if I see that happening.
I'm fine with him being a 1st ballot guy if those guys also get in. I'm not fine with someone that votes for Papi and not those 3.
 

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Because you know Papi for sure took steroids? The Mitchell Report was never believed to be conclusive
I don't. I also don't know what Bonds or Clemens took or when, but the writers have kept them out so far.
 

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