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How would you go about cracking that nut? It's just such a tall order when your season culminates against the juggernaut that is American football. I always thought Grant Wahl's suggestion of a World Cup-style playoff format would be helpful. https://www.si.com/soccer/2017/10/31/mls-playoff-format-fix-solution

One small thing I'd like to see them try: in the summers, when European leagues are on hiatus, run some matches on weekend mornings, when a lot of Americans are used to watching soccer on television.
If I had the answers, presumably MLS would be paying me A LOT of money.

I agree with @67YAZ about a Spanish-language strategy. Even with mediocre outreach and media at best, ratings for MLS and USMNT games are often better on Spanish-language broadcasts than English-language broadcasts. There's still a lot of untapped potential there.

I also think it might help if MLS teams could finally win the god damn CONCACAF Champions League. I'm not sure if Anglo EPL fans really care about that one way or the other, but consistently beating Liga MX competition would give the league some street cred among the largest Hispanic sub-group.

On the whole, I think it's good to have big names, but not too many famous post-prime players. Big names attract casuals who can be converted into regular fans, but if you go down that road too many times, you wind up as a reputation as a "retirement league" (grr) and that's a signal for Euro-philes to not take MLS seriously even if these "retirees" make up about 1% of the MLS player pool.

I believe that MLS becoming more of a talent-producing and talent-exporting league will help. The majority of soccer fans don't pay close attention to what's going on with FC Dallas or Philly Union or NYRB in terms of their academy pipeline. However, a critical mass of quality Americans (esp. MLS exports) in big Euro platforms eventually will move the needle of the opinion of high-engagement fans, who then act as "opinion leaders" or whatever for more casual fans.

I think MLS is better than it was in 2017, but certainly not dramatically so. But anecdotally, I'm seeing new interest in domestic soccer because of what's happening with American players in Europe. More and more people are recognizing that the men's side of US soccer is leveling up.


MLS recently adopted the marketing slogan "Our Soccer", which I really like. I think MLS should lean into being an American league that exudes self-confidence and pride at what has been achieved over the last 25 years. I want to see a bit more swagger and a bit more of a chip on their shoulder. Own and embrace the chaos and quirkiness of MLS instead of insecurely running away from it and apologizing for it. I think the quality of play and quality of development has reached a level where you can do that without looking totally silly.


To achieve the national relevance and TV ratings that MLS wants, there needs to be a critical mass of fans. I don't actually know very many MLS fans in real life, probably because I live in Boston where the Revs are barely a presence. A big part of sports fandom is engaging with others and right now we're in the midst of the long, slow slog of increasing the fanbase to the point where casual chatter about the league are ordinary, expected, and widely accessible.
 

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One small thing I'd like to see them try: in the summers, when European leagues are on hiatus, run some matches on weekend mornings, when a lot of Americans are used to watching soccer on television.
I have had a similar idea bouncing around in my head for a while. Mine borrows from the regular time schedule of the NFL, but using local time zones, not just the two main KO times that ignore time zone.

Something like this:
Kickoffs are the following times:
Monday-Thursday: 7pm
Friday : 8pm
Saturday: Noon, 3pm, 6pm, 8pm
Sunday: Noon, 3pm, 6pm

That's it.

I'd be willing to shift the Sat/Sun to on a every 2 hours schedule of 1,3,5,7 or noon,2,4,6,8, so that the next matches would be starting right after. With teams in all 4 time zones there would obviously be matches starting at more times then just these, but I want it to be on some consistent schedule.

In addition:
-- every Saturday and Sunday there would be one Eastern Time Zone match with a noon kick.
-- limit the number of times that teams from the Pacific/Mountain TZ played at noon Eastern and that Eastern/Central TZ teams played at 8pm Pacific to only 1 or 2 for each team a season.

The NFL is really good because it's appointment viewing. As someone on the west coast I know that at 10am I can watch the NFL if I want. I'd love on both Saturday and Sunday to have an MLS match that I could turn on at 9am.
 

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On the whole, I think it's good to have big names, but not too many famous post-prime players. Big names attract casuals who can be converted into regular fans, but if you go down that road too many times, you wind up as a reputation as a "retirement league" (grr) and that's a signal for Euro-philes to not take MLS seriously even if these "retirees" make up about 1% of the MLS player pool.

To achieve the national relevance and TV ratings that MLS wants, there needs to be a critical mass of fans. I don't actually know very many MLS fans in real life, probably because I live in Boston where the Revs are barely a presence. A big part of sports fandom is engaging with others and right now we're in the midst of the long, slow slog of increasing the fanbase to the point where casual chatter about the league are ordinary, expected, and widely accessible.
My sense is that it's really only Messi and Ronaldo who would move the needle in terms of casual fans these days. Chicharito and other major Mexican players are a slightly different category. But did Higuain really juice numbers this year? Was there a lasting Zlatan bump? I think access to European leagues on TV and streaming has so dramatically increased, there's a lot less intrigue about older stars moving to MLS. American fans have seen these guys play recently.

That said, Messi & Ronaldo are in a different stratosphere for fame and celebrity. They will hook casual fans. But at what price? Would you ever cover the costs?

On Zlatan, I hope his run of great form in Serie A is changing opinions about MLS as a retirement league.
 

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Mihailovic reported to be on the move for a tidy sum of tradable salary cap space.

View: https://twitter.com/samstejskal/status/1339341399859335170
Wow. The Fire also traded the 6th pick in the draft for $125k, so my guess is that they are shopping for something special. My guess is a winger who can make things happen with the ball at his feet.

Which really isn’t Djordje. Maybe it will be some day, but it sure looks like his development has plateaued. It’s too bad. He’s from a high profile local soccer family and, by all accounts, a very fine young man from a great family. His father is a former pro who has coached across multiple levels; his parents one & operate the Chicago Blast, which has grown from being a travel club to an entire regional development program with close ties to the Fire. His older sister was also a soccer star, making all-state team twice while playing for a powerhouse suburban school; she ended up at University of New Mexico.

In any case, Djordje went on trial at Nurnberg last winter, but didn’t garner an offer. During preseason, he was one of the few players Wicky singled out and publicly challenged to step up his game. It didn’t happen. During MLS is Back the two had some sort of disagreement that led to Djordje being stapled to the bench. From then on Djordje was pretty non-descript and a rotational starter until the last month of the a season, when he kicked on with 2 goals and 2 assists in his last 4 matches.

For his sake, I hope that a change of scenery and landing at a club that clearly wants him will provide a boost. Maybe Henry can unlock the next level of development in him.

For Chicago, this was an offer to good to pass up. I figured they would focus on the other wing this off-season and give Djordje one last shot at making the leap. But it would have been foolish to turn down this amount for a guy whose future is still so uncertain.

Edit: Djordje is not a Nazi, just in case I confused anyone with this..unfortunate turn of phrase.
 
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So....2020 CCL finally resumes in three days. It's going to suck.

- Atlanta, who are terrible now, are in a 3-0 hole against Club América. RIP.
- NYCFC are down 1-0 to Tigres. RIP.
- Montreal are down 2-1 to Olimpia. Very dicey for a team that isn't good.
- LAFC never played a first leg against Cruz Azul so have a blank-slate, single-leg game.

All the games are in Orlando, so NYCFC and Montreal have been spared the road leg.
Atlanta pulled one back but I'm guessing never really threatened, losing 3 - 1 on aggregate.

LAFC won their one-off 2 - 1 and advance to the semi-finals.
 

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Dallas traded Fafà Picault to Houston. I'm really curious about Dallas' offseason. Last year their foreign signings underperformed as usual (Dallas has really struggled to find the right imports) but they also just seemed to have a roster of ill-fitting parts. A couple of their young players took a step back (Ferreira, Servania). A couple other young players took steps forward like Reynolds (who may be sold) and Pepi (who should be in line for more playing time next year).

A big challenge is finding a way to get Pepi, Ferreira, and Pomykal on the field and productive at the same time, but it won't be easy.

https://www.fcdallas.com/post/2020/12/17/fc-dallas-trades-fafa-picault-houston-dynamo-fc
 

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This is a big one. Ring is a quality midfielder who can play the 6 or the 8 and is a fantastic get for an expansion team. For their part, NYCFC received a solid chunk of salary cap space that, along with the salary space that Ring vacated, can be reinvested elsewhere in the team. The emergence of James Sands allows them to cash in on Ring. They have a few other young DMs who are interesting too, and they'll have more opportunity to get rotated in at times in Nico Acevedo and Justin "The American Cavani" Haak. (Haak plays nothing like Cavani, he just looks like him.)

https://www.nycfc.com/post/2020/12/17/new-york-city-fc-acquires-125m-general-allocation-money-austin-fc-exchange-alex-ring
 

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This is a big one. Ring is a quality midfielder who can play the 6 or the 8 and is a fantastic get for an expansion team.
As an inaugural Austin FC season ticket holder, I'm excited about this. Ring was mostly being played out of position as a winger last season and he was still able to put up 3.5 tackles and interceptions per 90, which are above average defensive numbers for any midfielder. If they give him the DM role right away, I think he could be the building block of a great defensive spine for a young team.
 
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LAFC vs. América in the CCL semifinals on FS2 now.

Two big questions:

1) Can LAFC carry their strong performance against Cruz Azul over to this game?
2) How much of this game will I be able to watch before I run out of gas and need to go to sleep?
 

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I tuned in for a few minutes. A silly yellow against LA, played up to the hilt by America, then an America goal. Will check in later when it’s 2-1 LA in the 88th. I’m sure they’ll hang on.
 

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A red card against LAFC in the fifth minute of extra time in the first half. Per MLS Twitter it was complete horseshit.

Also, no VAR for this tournament?

Edit: Apparently there was some sort of shoving match before halftime that also included the coaches.
 

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played up to the hilt by America
More garbage from Memo Ochoa and America…


A red card against LAFC in the fifth minute of extra time in the first half. Per MLS Twitter it was complete horseshit.

Also, no VAR for this tournament?

Edit: Apparently there was some sort of shoving match before halftime that also included the coaches.
View: https://twitter.com/foxsoccer/status/1340514961475465217


absolutely shameless from Miguel Herrera’s team
 

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LAFC vs. América in the CCL semifinals on FS2 now.

Two big questions:

1) Can LAFC carry their strong performance against Cruz Azul over to this game?
2) How much of this game will I be able to watch before I run out of gas and need to go to sleep?
I decided I was too tired about five minutes after this post.

Never, never, never go to sleep for a CCL match. But bad news: the final is a 10pm ET on Tuesday, so... that's going to be tough.

Anyway, so impressive for LAFC to come back under these circumstances. I've been watching CONCACAF play pretty closely since 2007, and MLS teams so often got rattled or simply didn't have the talent to overcome these sorts of obstacles. I do hope Atuesta's red gets rescinded for the final though, because he's such an important player for LAFC.

In the last three years since the new format, MLS clubs are now 13-2-15 (W-D-L) against Liga MX teams and have advanced 7 times out of 16 matchups against Mexican clubs. It feels like we're getting closer and closer. This modified competition might have an asterisk next to it, but I'll take it. LAFC have already become the first MLS team to eliminate THREE Mexican clubs in the same competition (León, Cruz Azul, América) and now would have to go through Tigres. I'm always scared of Tigres, who just have a ton of money and a ton of talent. That said, CCL has been a bugaboo for them — this is their fourth final in the last five years and they are still looking for their first win.
 

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FS2 at 10 ET on a Tuesday. I feel like that's such a failure for MLS and CONCACAF.
It's pretty bad, but also keep in mind that this is a bootleg CCL scheduled on a neutral site over basically the one week they could pull this off in 2020.

7pm in Monterrey, right? That’s how they’re scheduling.
Monterrey is in Central Time — it's only slightly west of San Antonio.
 

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It's pretty bad, but also keep in mind that this is a bootleg CCL scheduled on a neutral site over basically the one week they could pull this off in 2020.



Monterrey is in Central Time — it's only slightly west of San Antonio.
The things you learn.
 

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It's always the coastlines that are on a diagonal that cross people up. The American South is much further west than most realize — almost all of Georgia is west of the OH/PA border, Atlanta is further west than Detroit, etc.

Likewise Central American runs NW-SE, so Mexico has enough E-W coverage that they actually have four time zones like the continental US. Baja California (Tijuana) is the only state that's on Pacific Time and Quintana Roo (Cancún) is the only state on Eastern Time.
 

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Surely the start time is because that's what worked for FOX's schedule. Just disappointing that this isn't deemed worthy of bumping a college basketball game or a rerun of Smackdown.
 

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I tuned in for a few minutes. A silly yellow against LA, played up to the hilt by America, then an America goal. Will check in later when it’s 2-1 LA in the 88th. I’m sure they’ll hang on.
Ha, I fully expected LA to take the lead, but then to get Concacaf'd in the last few minutes. Glad they held on.

I don't know what's up with the Club World Cup these days but it would be truly awesome for an MLS team to qualify to some global club competition whenever it happens.
 

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Ha, I fully expected LA to take the lead, but then to get Concacaf'd in the last few minutes. Glad they held on.

I don't know what's up with the Club World Cup these days but it would be truly awesome for an MLS team to qualify to some global club competition whenever it happens.
The 2020 Club World Cup has been bumped to Feb 2021 in Qatar, but it's still happening as far as I know.

I don't know what's going on with FIFA's desire to expand the CWC, but it would be nice for an MLS club to get in there for the first time as CONCACAF champions and not as the 3rd place qualifier in an enlarged CWC field.
 

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Fire FC trade Bronico to Charlotte FC. IIRC, Charlotte doesn't kick off until 2022...so Bronico will head out on loan someplace? He's a fine pickup for an expansion club - can play between RB and RM, always works hard. And Bronico is from North Carolina, so it's a nice homecoming for a guy who was not in Wicky's plans
 

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Kyle Beckerman has retired. Great career, under-appreciated player. The Mark Bellhorn of the USMNT.
I’ll nitpick that. Beckerman was just named to the MLS Greatest 25 (ahead of Sharlie Joseph!), despite never being named to MLS Best XI. I’d even go as far to say that if Joseph hadn’t accepted a call up by Grenada before he was an MLS player, Beckerman may not have had much of a USMNT career. He seems to be properly appreciated.
 

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Beckerman has been celebrated in MLS, but I think fans underrated him for the USMNT in the same way that casuals underrated Bellhorn back in '04 — people fixated on his weaknesses and were blinded to the reality that, at his best, he did a lot of things really well.
 

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Beckerman has been celebrated in MLS, but I think fans underrated him for the USMNT in the same way that casuals underrated Bellhorn back in '04 — people fixated on his weaknesses and were blinded to the reality that, at his best, he did a lot of things really well.
I guess I have the opposite perspective. Beckerman’s MLS career is overrated because of his contributions to the national team. I don’t want to overvalue the MLS Best 25, but it’s telling that Beckerman was named to the team, even though Joseph and Osvaldo Alonso were both better players (and were both selected ahead of Beckerman for Best XIs). But Joseph played for a Concacaf minnow and Osvaldo was shut out of his homeland, so they aren’t on the radar for eurosnobs, Liga MX supporters, or casual World Cup soccer fans.
 

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Austin's Expansion Draft picks:

1. Danny Hoesen, FW, San Jose
2. Jared Stroud, CM, NYRB
3. Brady Scott, GK, Nashville
4. Joe Corona, CM, LA Galaxy
5. Kamal Miller, CB/LB, Orlando

Miller was immediately dealt to Montreal for GAM and a draft pick. Canadian clubs tend to accumulate the Canadian players to free up international slots.

The rest are depth or decent-ish starters for an expansion team. Scott is a younger GK with extensive youth NT experience who may or may not pan out. Hoesen is a weird pick because Austin could have gotten him in the Re-Entry Draft.
Apparently Corona is also out of contract and was selected by Houston in stage two of the Re-Entry Draft!

https://www.mlssoccer.com/post/2020/12/22/joe-corona-headlines-three-selected-stage-two-mls-re-entry-draft
 

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I'm sure that there is an explanation for this, and in the grand scheme of things it's probably a moot point because it sounds like Corona wants to go back to Liga MX, but this makes Austin FC look like fools. It also inadvertently helps the Galaxy, who get allocation money and an exemption from the next expansion draft because they lost Corona in the expansion draft and not the re-entry draft.

Edit: Domer beat me to it by one minute
 

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I hope some kind of Lone Star Cup (like the Cascadian version) is being organized by the three clubs. I don’t know Texan dynamics, but I’d imagine Dallas-Austin might evolve into a bigger rivalry than Dallas-Houston ever was (or Houston-Austin ever would be).
 

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I hope some kind of Lone Star Cup (like the Cascadian version) is being organized by the three clubs. I don’t know Texan dynamics, but I’d imagine Dallas-Austin might evolve into a bigger rivalry than Dallas-Houston ever was (or Houston-Austin ever would be).
Agree. I think there's potential here:

- Austin will come into the league with a MUCH larger fanbase than Dallas or Houston, based on season ticket sales numbers.
- Austin will be the city's only major pro team (except Texas Longhorns football, zing!) and I think extra energy will get funneled into the team as a result.
 

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The CCL final is tonight. I'm preparing for the inevitable heartbreak...
 

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Wild soccer twitter drama kept me up last night so I'm approaching this final on short rest, but have no choice but to go the full 90.
 

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The ref is doing a nice job so far. Hope he keeps it up.

The color of the turf makes this look like a glorified indoor match. And there's been enough sloppy passing to suggest it actually might be...
 

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Tigres controlled the first 5-10 minutes but LAFC has looked a little better than them since.
 

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Someone got hacked? What's the short story there?
Dude claims to have cancer and posts hospital pic. Community rallies — including messages from guys like Dest and McKennie and the USMNT twitter account.

It's then revealed that the hospital pic was lifted from some random Twitter user and dude was making it up the whole time. Dude deletes his twitter account. Chaos ensues. Dude posts an obviously false message on BigSoccer claiming to be hacked. This only adds fuel to the fire.