I'm guessing we don't get a reset of the tax was mostly where I was going...For the Sox, teams in general or the league as a whole? I see issues for all the above.
I'm guessing we don't get a reset of the tax was mostly where I was going...For the Sox, teams in general or the league as a whole? I see issues for all the above.
Where? Those are the states that are in the worst shape currently.Shoulda done a bubble.
NBA in Florida is okay (so far). The bubble has to be well executed, for sure.Where? Those are the states that are in the worst shape currently.
Yeah and baseball just isn’t really conducive to it.Where? Those are the states that are in the worst shape currently.
Why? Larger teams and necessary support staff make the effort larger, but that’s not a roadblock. What else?Yeah and baseball just isn’t really conducive to it.
Length of games and available stadiums.Why? Larger teams and necessary support staff make the effort larger, but that’s not a roadblock. What else?
Proper facilities are required for sure. I thought the idea was to use spring training stadiums, no?Length of games and available stadiums.
The longer the game, the less ability you have to play multiple games in a single location on a given day, which means you need more fields.what impact does length of games have on bubble-ability?
There's a whole thread on that. September 1st is the reset date. https://sonsofsamhorn.net/index.php?threads/if-the-season-gets-to-september-1-the-red-sox-luxury-tax-resets.30089/#post-3947833I'm guessing we don't get a reset of the tax was mostly where I was going...
Games could be shown and played throughout the day and it could be hosted in multiple cities like the NHL is pursuing. For example, MLS has been airing a 9am game everyday. I fully agree it's a challenge, but it's also probably better than not lasting a weekend.The longer the game, the less ability you have to play multiple games in a single location on a given day, which means you need more fields.
If they use spring training facilities, is this a problem though?The longer the game, the less ability you have to play multiple games in a single location on a given day, which means you need more fields.
What makes the NBA bubble plan workable is that the entire league is self-contained in a resort. No such place exists with enough fields to play up to 15 games a day.Proper facilities are required for sure. I thought the idea was to use spring training stadiums, no?
what impact does length of games have on bubble-ability?
I actually don't think it's going to make a huge difference as people's fever dreams of a one year reset followed by a spending spree were misplaced.I'm guessing we don't get a reset of the tax was mostly where I was going...
Yes, the Disney resort absolutely makes it easier. But I wouldn’t say it’s unworkable for MLB. Lack of imagination / effort is more like it. I bet a lot of people thought the NBA bubble was a fantasy at its inception too.What makes the NBA bubble plan workable is that the entire league is self-contained in a resort. No such place exists with enough fields to play up to 15 games a day.
Spring training facilities still require housing for the players (everyone at one hotel or spring training style live on their own?) and travel between facilities to play the games. Players would still have exposure to the "outside world" in areas where the virus is spreading. The difference between that and what they're doing now with everyone in their own home cities is traveling by plane instead of bus. I don't think it's significantly safer or more contained.
Additionally basketball and hockey are controlled by a clock whereas baseball has an undetermined length of game.What makes the NBA bubble plan workable is that the entire league is self-contained in a resort. No such place exists with enough fields to play up to 15 games a day.
Spring training facilities still require housing for the players (everyone at one hotel or spring training style live on their own?) and travel between facilities to play the games. Players would still have exposure to the "outside world" in areas where the virus is spreading. The difference between that and what they're doing now with everyone in their own home cities is traveling by plane instead of bus. I don't think it's significantly safer or more contained.
No, your sense of humor is shitty. And now you're blocked from this one.I'm blocked from the MLB COVID thread, but I was joking. Of course, Fauci is the best source of advice for the pandemic and people who don't play ball sports or are 78 years old, don't throw well.
I guess my sense of humor is too dry.
Yes and what would the facility look like that would also allow for proper social-distancing for 30 players from 30 different teams plus the support staff? At that point you're not talking about a resort complex but a small city.Or, you know, the lack of a self contained sports complex with five playing fields to accommodate all the necessary games.
The other big difference maker is that the NBA is just trying to complete their season, making it an easier decision for players to voluntarily go into the "bubble" for a few weeks (or less if their team is eliminated early). That's as opposed to a full season (even abbreviated, it's a minimum of 2.5 months with a possibility of four to win it all) being isolated from friends and family. Players understandably balked at that from the start.Yes, the Disney resort absolutely makes it easier. But I wouldn’t say it’s unworkable for MLB. Lack of imagination / effort is more like it. I bet a lot of people thought the NBA bubble was a fantasy at its inception too.
I'm not seeing how it could have been done, but I'm also not seeing the comparison between MLB/NBA. Problem with MLB is 8 additional teams, plus about 50 more players per team, plus far bigger coaching and support staffs, for 60 games plus half of them into the playoffs. Where are you getting all that space to essentially quarantine, house and police, what?, 3,000+ people? And find fields for what equates to about 8 basketball courts? You could stagger games (let's say they play at 3 and at 7), essentially edit them and air via Extra Innings or regional networks at appropriate times, but they can't play overnight and day games after nights games is already a sticking point for players; you'd still need 15-20 fields unless you completely abandoned practice, drills, BP, etc. I think people questioned the NBA much more so from a practicality aspect as opposed to logistics. They've done an extremely good job of securing it and shown that when the virus has nowhere to go, it dies out; I'm not sure how that would work on such a larger scale, for a longer period. But do you have any ideas? This season is toast for MLB, but it seems NFL will have the same issues, but again, amplified even from MLB. As someone said, you'd need a small town essentially, likely with a perimeter of enforcement, that happened to have all those fields within it.Yes, the Disney resort absolutely makes it easier. But I wouldn’t say it’s unworkable for MLB. Lack of imagination / effort is more like it. I bet a lot of people thought the NBA bubble was a fantasy at its inception too.
I have worked events at that complex at Disney for 20+ years; if they chose to the NFL could absolutely bubble there and do a season. They have an amazingly huge football complex that hosts the Pop Warner Super Bowl every December.I'm not seeing how it could have been done, but I'm also not seeing the comparison between MLB/NBA. Problem with MLB is 8 additional teams, plus about 50 more players per team, plus far bigger coaching and support staffs, for 60 games plus half of them into the playoffs. Where are you getting all that space to essentially quarantine, house and police, what?, 3,000+ people? And find fields for what equates to about 8 basketball courts? You could stagger games (let's say they play at 3 and at 7), essentially edit them and air via Extra Innings or regional networks at appropriate times, but they can't play overnight and day games after nights games is already a sticking point for players; you'd still need 15-20 fields unless you completely abandoned practice, drills, BP, etc. I think people questioned the NBA much more so from a practicality aspect as opposed to logistics. They've done an extremely good job of securing it and shown that when the virus has nowhere to go, it dies out; I'm not sure how that would work on such a larger scale, for a longer period. But do you have any ideas? This season is toast for MLB, but it seems NFL will have the same issues, but again, amplified even from MLB. As someone said, you'd need a small town essentially, likely with a perimeter of enforcement, that happened to have all those fields within it.
How many fields does it have?I have worked events at that complex at Disney for 20+ years; if they chose to the NFL could absolutely bubble there and do a season. They have an amazingly huge football complex that hosts the Pop Warner Super Bowl every December.
Guessing this pops up in the near future.
Minimum 8 that can run concurrently.How many fields does it have?
17 that can be used for football according to their website.How many fields does it have?
Are the fields the same size? I was under impressions Pop Warner played on 80 yd fields, but that may just be the local league in my town. I can't imagine it's as wide is it? Figure, what minimum amount? 8 full NFL sized fields; plus 16 practice bubbles if they double up. Weight and training facilities for probably 4k people, housing, plus you'd need some kind of secondary team for street free agents in case of injury or illness.I have worked events at that complex at Disney for 20+ years; if they chose to the NFL could absolutely bubble there and do a season. They have an amazingly huge football complex that hosts the Pop Warner Super Bowl every December.
Guessing this pops up in the near future.
Agree; the NFL would have to start later to accommodate. It’s an option if it’s that or no season.17 that can be used for football according to their website.
The real issue is (a) would the owners agree to this knowing they would be forfeiting all possible in-person revenue and (b) is the Wide World of Sports complex and surrounding area big enough to to accommodate all NFL teams and related personnel PLUS all the NBA teams they already have there (keeping in mind that football has a much higher volume of equipment and more personnel overall)? There is also the issue of whether the NBA would even agree to invite hundreds if not thousands of additional people into their "bubble" - and, if not, that would mean the NFL season couldn't start until mid-October or so.
They are customizable; they get flipped constantly for soccer and lacrosse. Pop Warner is 100 yds though; width would be addressed.Are the fields the same size? I was under impressions Pop Warner played on 80 yd fields, but that may just be the local league in my town. I can't imagine it's as wide is it? Figure, what minimum amount? 8 full NFL sized fields; plus 16 practice bubbles if they double up. Weight and training facilities for probably 4k people, housing, plus you'd need some kind of secondary team for street free agents in case of injury or illness.
Am I banned too? Someone said I was for my consistent bad posting.No, your sense of humor is shitty. And now you're blocked from this one.
You also earned three days off. Sexist posts are not tolerated here. Even if they are feeble attempts at humor. Next time you are gone.
Edit: added days off post
If you make sexist posts, then yes you would be.Am I banned too? Someone said I was for my consistent bad posting.
1/5/3 and 7/10/12; then 11? Maybe* 7 fields, probably 6.. But that's not factoring in practice facilities and 32 teams needing space that could be somewhat private (imagine the -gates that would spawn - Bubblegate, COVIDgate, Virusgate. Guess you could do 6 1PM games, 6 4PM games, Sunday night, Monday night on weeks with full slate? Then drop one each on the earlier time slots when byes kick in (would they keep bye weeks with no travel and essentially a fuse burning on the bomb?) Then where are 5k people being housed? You'd also probably need at least one if not two full rosters of guys for street FAs to stay in shape. Weight facilities, trainers rooms, etc. Should be simple as pie.
Egh, that's not good news. The devil is in the details here as myocarditis could be mild and transient (i.e no big deal) or career/life altering.More on Eduardo’s myocarditis from Bill Koch in the Projo:
https://www.providencejournal.com/sports/20200726/red-sox-pitcher-eduardo-rodriguez-battling-myocarditis
Not simple for sure but that complex could pull off the housing, weight facilities, etc...it’s got it1/5/3 and 7/10/12; then 11? Maybe* 7 fields, probably 6.. But that's not factoring in practice facilities and 32 teams needing space that could be somewhat private (imagine the -gates that would spawn - Bubblegate, COVIDgate, Virusgate. Guess you could do 6 1PM games, 6 4PM games, Sunday night, Monday night on weeks with full slate? Then drop one each on the earlier time slots when byes kick in (would they keep bye weeks with no travel and essentially a fuse burning on the bomb?) Then where are 5k people being housed? You'd also probably need at least one if not two full rosters of guys for street FAs to stay in shape. Weight facilities, trainers rooms, etc. Should be simple as pie.
Minimum of 8 major league compatible fields? What's the configuration of those 8 fields? Something like this is less than ideal.Minimum 8 that can run concurrently.
Talking about football.Minimum of 8 major league compatible fields? What's the configuration of those 8 fields? Something like this is less than ideal.
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Locker room/clubhouse space? Dugouts? There are going to be many days when you're going to need to host 4 games at one field. Figure minimum of of 5 hours per possibly more to clear and properly douche the facility before allowing the next two teams in.
Yes, sorry just made an edit noting that, but still interested in any baseball info if you have it.Talking about football.
Hmmm, who's the next FA they would look at, Lindor?I actually don't think it's going to make a huge difference as people's fever dreams of a one year reset followed by a spending spree were misplaced.
And move him to 2B/3B? Or X?Hmmm, who's the next FA they would look at, Lindor?
Realmuto I could get behind.Hmmm, who's the next FA they would look at, Lindor?
If you're using spring training facilities then it isn't really a bubble, some of them aren't exactly close to each other.Proper facilities are required for sure. I thought the idea was to use spring training stadiums, no?
what impact does length of games have on bubble-ability?
A bubble doesn't need to be a single location that you can completely cover with an imaginary sphere, although that makes things a lot easier. It can be a virtual bubble if you define boundaries and provide transportation between each sterile locations. I/m not saying it would be easy, but it would've had a much greater chance for success. Clearly the desire just wasn't there.If you're using spring training facilities then it isn't really a bubble, some of them aren't exactly close to each other.