Jesus. Are you having a bad day or something? If you haven't noticed, most people on this forum are a lot more civil. Any one of these posts - okay, a mistake that probably could have been worded better. But you're coming off like a real a-hole here.
Is anyone here advocating for him to be the starter though? It seems the general belief is that he would be here as the Hoyer competition/break glass in case Stidham fails spectacularly or gets hurt.
Depends what the goal is. Dalton can probably take this team to the playoffs, they almost certainly won't win the Super Bowl, but then again they couldn't win the Super Bowl with Brady last year
Yeah, I said this earlier, the QB development resources are going to be scarce this year, and investing them in a guy who, at his peak, was above averagish and whose peak is five years past, is just a waste of those resources. And for what? To make an abortive run at the last wildcard spot and leave themselves in the position of drafting the 2021 version of Andy Dalton and hoping for the best?
NFL types have said that this was as much a fault of being jammed into a new system than it was talent level.
This is what the Repot button is for ... or private messaging. No need to exacerbate things with this kind of post
I'm not a Bengals fan, but there were a lot of dumb, lazy narratives in the Bengals / Dalton criticism and I understand a Bengals fan taking umbrage at them. The Patriots are the most successful franchise in the NFL. That doesn't mean 31 other teams all are idiots who suck.
Thats fine. There are better ways to address people, especially posters who have consistently demonstrated that they share legitimate opinions and are not trolling for reactions. Most everyone here manages to do so most of the time, and people post a lot of dumb shit.
Maybe, but there isn't much history of a QB in recent times as inaccurate a passer in college (adjusted) being successful in the NFL. I hope he suceeds, but the floor on him isn't 7-9, it's benched for Brian Hoyer after utter collapse and a deeply unhappy group of vets and defensive players
So you're saying Stidham can become the Jaylen Brown of the NFL? I'm down for that.
Regardless of what he did in college, he's a second year guy who was drafted in the fourth round and has essentially not played at all in his NFL career. His floor could be Nathan Peterman for all we know. He could be so bad you can't keep putting him on the field after a couple of weeks.
The argument against your first paragraph is that Stidham was the lone backup to Tom Brady last season, as a rookie. One could argue that it was a calculated risk by Belichick, and that may be part of it, but any backup is always one play away from becoming the next in line. Brady has been astoundingly durable throughout his long career, outside of one freak play, but he also was 42 years old. If they didn't have confidence in Stidham, I don't think he would ever have been put into that position. I don't mean to sound like an "In Belichick We Trust" sycophant, but I'd say that's compelling evidence for Stidham not being a complete disaster. Doesn't mean he's any good, of course. But I think the floor is probably higher than it would be for a typical 4th round pick, second year QB, who has never started an NFL game in his life. Which may not be saying much. But it's something.
Agree with all this. Let’s not forget that they cut Hoyer last year after the preseason.
Can you expand on this? His junior season he led the SEC in completion percentage and was 9th in the NCAA when he had a better roster around him.
Yes. And Jeff Howe had story earlier this week that said he would have been 3rd QB off the board in this draft.
I'm using Klassen's pull from last year's draft. I believe he uses a players last 1.5 seasons:
And he's not shiny and new -- he's got a year's worth of stink on him. Now if he was coming out of this year's draft . . .
Basic sports fan rule: The player we don't have is always better than the player we do have
Brian Hoyer was also the only backup as a rookie. Ryan Mallett wasn't the only backup as a rookie, but he was the only backup for two years.
You can find early mocks for 2019 that put Stidham in the first round. Some of them put Shea Patterson and Clayton Thorson in there, too.
That's really more an indictment of love from those quotes than an endorsement of Stidham as a 1st round talent. Love was really divisive as a prospect, some teams thought he was a 1st rounder, some didn't have him in their top 6 QBs (which implies a 4th or 5th round grade)
Because I don't remember anyone describing the 2019 draft as some amazing quarterback class, and he was the seventh quarterback selected. The Patriots took him at 133, at the bottom of the fourth round, and passed on him six times before taking him.
Yeah, the Love vs Stidham thing is more an indication of something we already knew.... that a lot of people really don't think Love is a 1st round prospect. I like Stidham better than Love too, but it doesn't mean I would have taken Stidham at 23 in this draft.
But, I view Hoyer as little more than a 'come in for a few downs if Stidham gets banged up' kind of back-up. I don't want to see him starting games and I'd much rather have Dalton if it came to us needing a starter.
I doubt it, but at the same time...... the Patriots have an untested 4th rounder, a guy who is barely a career backup and 2 UDFAs on the roster, they're going to be linked to every former starter in the league because they have an obvious need for more quality in the QB room, so any cheap option to take a flyer on a guy with either tools or skills is a reasonable possibility.
Would have been tied for 8th going into last year, so it's pretty fair price since Dalton is probably one of the best backups in the league now.
The dropoff isn't at 32/33 A lot of starters are on rookie deals, so they have low salaries, also Dalton for example if he became the starter in DAL would hit his incentives and get to $7M. Players won't commit long term to low money if they have a shot at being a starter (see Teddy Bridgewater, did 1 year as a highly paid backup, now he's starting at $21M a year.
Why not one of the two UDFAs? Both had good college careers and would be cheaper than a vet. Especially if Stidham gets the nod as starter, having one veteran back-up seems sufficient to me.
Yeah, I think they might favor J'Mar Smith--he's a mobile QB that can likely do a lot to help the team in practice to help game plan against guys like Mahomes, Jackson, Allen, etc.
Sure, holding off on adding a vet gives the young'uns maximum reps in camp. If one of them wows, then that's fine. If not, the vet comes in on a non-vested salary after week 1.
Depends what approach you are taking. If it's the "our backup should be capable of starting and not being terrible if the starter gets hurt" approach we need someone new, Hoyer has looked pretty washed in his limited action over the last few years, and there is a reason Smith and Lewerke went undrafted, both are a long ways from NFL ready.
