F*** Jordan With Oakley's Walking Stick: The Best Celtics Shooting Guards

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Bill Sharman: Ten seasons with the Green, shot over .400 from the field in an era when that made you a sharpshooter, led the Celtics in scoring three times, put up a career .883 from the charity stripe (again, in the 1950's, when 70% was excellent free-throw shooting, was an absolute stud in the ‘57 playoffs, averaging 21/4.9/2.3 in 11 games and getting one of his four rings as a player.

Sam Jones: Played with Cousy, played with Russell, but he makes the Hall of Fame even if he’d been stuck on the Cincinnati Royals. Put up 51 against the Pistons in ‘65, and varied his shooting based on the team, sometimes being the primary offensive weapon, sometimes deferring. Ten rings, all-NBA three times, and carried the team in the 64-54 season, averaging 26 ppg (and raising that to 29 in the payoffs). Iron man, both in games played (871 over 11 seasons) and a deep playoff runs every spring.

Do you forgive Ray Allen? Does his five years/one ring make him a True Celtic?

Leaving aside Ainge the GM, where does Danny’s five years as a starting SG for the Celtics stack up? Back then, when the three was in infancy, Ainge bombed .400 from deep.

When Tiny Archibald and Gerald Henderson shared the backcourt, which one was the SG and which one was the PG? I think Henderson, who got two rings.

Charlie Scott dropped in for a mid-70s cup of coffee, but there is no ’76 ring without his 16 ppg and tough defense.
 

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I have to say, it's not an impressive list given the franchise. Jaylen Brown has a legitimate chance of being the one when this question is asked ten years from now.
 

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Jones is a top ten All-Time SG, great all around player who is overshadowed by playing with Russell.

Sharman played even longer back, but has a terrific resume in a vacuum. He was reportedly a great defender and the most accurate shooter of his day. Sharman was an exercise fanatic and also was one of the first guys to do a pre-game shoot-around, later implementing that practice when he was a coach with the Lakers. You could make a real case that Sharman/Cousy to this day are the best backcourt to ever play in the NBA.
 

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I think you have to consider Havlicek as he was both a SF and shooting guard, and Jo-Jo should not be overlooked.

I happen to be partial to the somewhat unique style of Sam Jones
 

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Reggie Lewis probably deserves consideration. He had five consecutive good seasons from 1988-1993 playing mostly at SG. Much like Jaylen he had plus length and athleticism at the position and was good defensively. I remember Jordan once saying Reggie Lewis was one of his least favorite players to go up against because he was so active defensively. Haven’t looked at the matchup stats but I bet Jordan routinely torched him anyway.
 

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Bill Sharman: Ten seasons with the Green, shot over .400 from the field in an era when that made you a sharpshooter, led the Celtics in scoring three times, put up a career .883 from the charity stripe (again, in the 1950's, when 70% was excellent free-throw shooting, was an absolute stud in the ‘57 playoffs, averaging 21/4.9/2.3 in 11 games and getting one of his four rings as a player.

Sam Jones: Played with Cousy, played with Russell, but he makes the Hall of Fame even if he’d been stuck on the Cincinnati Royals. Put up 51 against the Pistons in ‘65, and varied his shooting based on the team, sometimes being the primary offensive weapon, sometimes deferring. Ten rings, all-NBA three times, and carried the team in the 64-54 season, averaging 26 ppg (and raising that to 29 in the payoffs). Iron man, both in games played (871 over 11 seasons) and a deep playoff runs every spring.

Do you forgive Ray Allen? Does his five years/one ring make him a True Celtic?

Leaving aside Ainge the GM, where does Danny’s five years as a starting SG for the Celtics stack up? Back then, when the three was in infancy, Ainge bombed .400 from deep.

When Tiny Archibald and Gerald Henderson shared the backcourt, which one was the SG and which one was the PG? I think Henderson, who got two rings.

Charlie Scott dropped in for a mid-70s cup of coffee, but there is no ’76 ring without his 16 ppg and tough defense.
I'll always love Ray Allen. He was great. As Tom Hagen said........"It was business not personal" why he left. And Garnett and possibly Pierce should grow up and have him and the other big 2 at Garnett's jersey retirement ceremony.
 

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I happen to be partial to the somewhat unique style of Sam Jones
Agree totally. And when you look at his 9-0 Game 7s he is off the charts. High of 47 ('63 vs Cinci) low 18, avg 27.
And when he first came up Red thought of him more as a defensive player. When Sam and KC were on the bench
Red would put them in as a tandem in the 2nd quarter and they'd stifle the opposition with a brutal full court press.
 

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I have to say, it's not an impressive list given the franchise. Jaylen Brown has a legitimate chance of being the one when this question is asked ten years from now.
This is why people hate Boston sports fans. There’s already 7 hall of famers mentioned in this thread and a few other multiple time all-stars. How many other teams boast a better tradition of great players at one position - the Lakers centers and...
 

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I think you have to consider Havlicek as he was both a SF and shooting guard, and Jo-Jo should not be overlooked.

I happen to be partial to the somewhat unique style of Sam Jones
You know, I debated on Jo Jo. Clearly the best Celts guard of the 1970s, but he sure seems like the primary point guard when you see who he was paired with. His back-court partners tended to be shooters with Jo Jo leading the team in assists -- Paul Westphal, Charlie Scott, Don Chaney (in his return to the Celtics).

If you count Hondo he's up there.
 

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Reggie Lewis probably deserves consideration. He had five consecutive good seasons from 1988-1993 playing mostly at SG. Much like Jaylen he had plus length and athleticism at the position and was good defensively. I remember Jordan once saying Reggie Lewis was one of his least favorite players to go up against because he was so active defensively. Haven’t looked at the matchup stats but I bet Jordan routinely torched him anyway.
Reggie was very good. Probably the best of my lifetime as a fan (back to the late 70s).
 

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This is why people hate Boston sports fans. There’s already 7 hall of famers mentioned in this thread and a few other multiple time all-stars. How many other teams boast a better tradition of great players at one position - the Lakers centers and...
The Celtics, at pretty much every frontcourt position:
Russell, Cowens, Parish
Heinsohn, McHale, Garnett
Havlicek, Bird, Pierce
 

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The Celtics, at pretty much every frontcourt position:
Russell, Cowens, Parish
Heinsohn, McHale, Garnett
Havlicek, Bird, Pierce
LOL. It’s good to live outside Boston and get to pick & choose when to engage other fans.
 

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I'll always love Ray Allen. He was great. As Tom Hagen said........"It was business not personal" why he left. And Garnett and possibly Pierce should grow up and have him and the other big 2 at Garnett's jersey retirement ceremony.
That was Solazzo the Turk, not Tom Hagen, but yes, 1,000 times yes. I bear no ill will to Ray Allen and will always love him. Garnett, Pierce and Rondo are the biggest pussies in this scenario. Get the fuck over it.
 

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So this is the second time that revisionist history about Ray Allen has appeared in this thread. Ray Allen was offered 2 years and 12 Million by the Boston Celtics. He signed a 2 year 6 million dollar contract with the Miami Heat despite the fact that there was also a no trade clause on the table in Boston as well. At the time, he said he was signing with Miami because the chances of getting another championship were better.
You can call his decision many things, but business is not on the list.

I also believe that those guys should mend fences, but I totally understand why KG and PP might not be ready to.
 

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The better line by Sollozzo is......"He's still alive, five shots and he's still alive. Well that's bad news for me and bad news for you if you don't make that deal"
 
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You know, I debated on Jo Jo. Clearly the best Celts guard of the 1970s, but he sure seems like the primary point guard when you see who he was paired with. His back-court partners tended to be shooters with Jo Jo leading the team in assists -- Paul Westphal, Charlie Scott, Don Chaney (in his return to the Celtics).
Trust me, the Duck was never a shooting guard.
 

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Ray Allen is a traitor, and KG is right in writing him off.
Come on that's the past. Forgive and forget. He left to go to another team that was doing better. That's part of the NBA. Robert Horry(He's the worst) Pippen, Ron Harper and others. And Karl Malone.( The one time I wanted Malone to lose) Garnett and Pierce acted immature IMO. Did Allen say something to piss them off? I forgot if he did, but still they all should grow up and forgive and forget and go to the ceremony.