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Betts/Price to LA for Alex Verdugo, Jeter Downs, and Connor Wong
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Inside the Mets pursuit of Mookie. They offered packages centered around Brandon Nimmo or J.D. Davis and one of their top infield prospects, Andres Gimenez or Ronny Mauricio. But they would not part with Jeff McNeil, who was integral for the Red Sox.
https://nypost.com/2020/02/12/inside-mets-offseason-pursuits-of-mookie-betts-and-francisco-lindor/amp/?__twitter_impression=true
https://nypost.com/2020/02/12/inside-mets-offseason-pursuits-of-mookie-betts-and-francisco-lindor/amp/?__twitter_impression=true
Mookie looked absolutely pumped. I think he resigns with the Dodgers. Price hasn't looked that happy in years.
Of course. Just my initial thoughts from that press conference are that there is probably a better chance that he resigns with the Dodgers than signing with the Sox.
There’s always a “But....” with Mookie. I love him as a player, and I don’t doubt his love of the team, but deep down he’s just another egotistical athlete who wants his big payday. He’d play in the North Pole if they offered 12/450. Good luck to him, but good riddance at the same time.
I didn’t think Mookie looked particularly pumped, he just has a winning smile. He also got asked *already* if he’s willing to sign an extension in LA. He said something like “I just got here today” and looked a little annoyed to me. I hope they hound him about it.
Good for you, turning down that last raise your boss offered you. The world needs labor that knows it’s place, amirite?
Seriously, I don’t get why so many people criticize talented people that want to get paid. The guy is one of the best handful of people on the planet at something that generates billions of dollars for team owners. It’s his right to go to the highest bidder when he’s contractually able too I applaud him for that. I think he’s handling this perfectly.
Yes, for God's sake. Mookie needs to feed his children and that last couple tens of millions could be the difference.
One of the best SOSH cliches is people talking about pro athletes like they're stitching seams at the Triangle Shirtwaist Factory.
I am totally comfortable with the last act of David Price being a shout out to Big Lame James. Thanks for the 2018 WS and all, but I now close the book and put it back on the shelf.
I don’t disagree with up about Mookie - who can and should do whatever he wants - but I’m amused to see you standing up for free will in between lecturing us about the World Baseball Classic and how teams/players must be FORCED to change their schedules to participate.
Sure, but so is people talking about them as if they have some kind of moral imperative to factor fan loyalty into their career decisions, or that it's unseemly for them to pick the highest bidder for their services, which is, if anything, even more ridiculous. Like every other free agent, Mookie Betts is 100% entitled to whatever criteria for picking his next home suit him. If he wants to pick the team with the coolest uniform, or the city with the best Thai restaurants, that's his call. And if he wants to pick whoever offers him the most money, that, too, is his call, and it says nothing whatsoever negative about his character. The only thing he owes Boston fans (or, in nine months, Dodgers fans) for their adulation is a sincere thank-you. Period.
Is there a section on the main board for class warfare? Because if we're gonna bitch about Mookie wanting to get top dollar in free agency, can we at least give me a place where I can complain about the ungodly sums top executives and "private equity firms" rake in?
Look. I know he's our homegrown hero. I'm sad to see him go. But all this vitriol about an athlete treating things "like a business"---keep in mind, the business he is talking about pays most of its young athletes about as little as it can and would not have hesitated to throw Mookie to the curb if he had gotten injured or hadn't panned out---is a little excessive. Yeah, in a perfect world Mookie would take his big contract and say "you know, this is just wayyy too much for me, I'm going to start a fund that will supplement minor leaguers pay and help them with job training, since I am truly one of the very luckiest guys to ever swing the bat." But that ain't happening. The system is the same, the game is the game and once you're in a winning position, you take advantage of it.
Look. I know he's our homegrown hero. I'm sad to see him go. But all this vitriol about an athlete treating things "like a business"---keep in mind, the business he is talking about pays most of its young athletes about as little as it can and would not have hesitated to throw Mookie to the curb if he had gotten injured or hadn't panned out---is a little excessive. Yeah, in a perfect world Mookie would take his big contract and say "you know, this is just wayyy too much for me, I'm going to start a fund that will supplement minor leaguers pay and help them with job training, since I am truly one of the very luckiest guys to ever swing the bat." But that ain't happening. The system is the same, the game is the game and once you're in a winning position, you take advantage of it.
I kind of agree with you in principle, but it's a slippery slope. If Curt Flood and Marvin Miller don't lead the charge, the owners are still paying ball players relative peanuts today in a system rigged to keep it so. It seems fair for workers to get the top dollar they can. Particularly in the interest of the fringe players who aren't hitting the Powerball/stupid-money/my-grandkids-won't-have-to-worry-about-anything-financially jackpot upon reaching free agency. Those guys are the ones for whom this argument probably matters the most.
Also, while I wouldn't call it the Triangle Shirtwaist Factory, minor league ball is not all that far away in terms of fair pay, sometimes working conditions, etc.
Minor league baseball is very far away, in all of those categories, from being locked in a factory and sewing clothes.
"Good riddance" to Mookie was over the top in one direction. Mookie as an exploited coal miner is over the top in the other. I make pretty decent money and Mookie makes ten times what my boss's boss's boss makes. Just pointing that out in good fun.
"Good riddance" to Mookie was over the top in one direction. Mookie as an exploited coal miner is over the top in the other. I make pretty decent money and Mookie makes ten times what my boss's boss's boss makes. Just pointing that out in good fun.
Me too. He's said a million times he was going to FA to raise the bar for the whole union. I don't know why this is such a hard concept for some people.
As to him being pumped to be in LA, or not, he won't really know until the games start. I bet he misses the energy at Fenway, though if the Dodgers go to the World Series then that's another story.
Oh come on now.
People really, really need to stop reading him, paying any attention to him, and especially spreading his bile anywhere.
Man, I don’t begrudge you your feelings, but this is not my view, to put it mildly.
I think the neediness of Boston towards its athletes is a big part of what makes the city such a toxic place to play. Like, how are you expecting him to answer that question *at his introductory press conference with another team*?!?!
He got *drafted.* He doesn’t owe us anything. I’d be delighted if he wants to return. But I would not be surprised if he didn’t.
Another thing: we just learned today he almost got traded to the effing Mets, but they wouldn’t include McNeil.
Of course he’s happy to be in LA.
Of course he’s happy to be in LA.
And fans get to feel about him leaving, for a money difference he'll never really feel, however they choose. I personally don't begrudge him, but I'm also not fan of the Bob Ryan, you must be gracious to all returning former players, lectures(And I don't mean you, with that). It's a 2 -way street. He's free to go to the highest bidder, but it's unrealistic to expect every fan to be gracious and magnanimous about it. I'll cheer him when he comes to Fenway, but I understand those that may have a chillier response.
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That article was strange because first it made it seem like if Brodie had agreed to deal McNeil, the deal could have worked, but then Sherman went on to point out that the Mets would have needed to send dead money back in Cespedes and/or Lowrie, kind of making the whole article pointless.
First, let me compliment you on this extremely relevant response to my post in particular and this thread in general. Definitely not a totally out-of-leftfield, completely ungermane drive-by post, no-siree.
And second, since you brought it up, my complaints about WBC participation have ALWAYS been about teams and fans who complain about players exercising their free will to play, so I'm not really sure how I'm being inconsistent here. But since this has nothing to do with what anyone here has written or argued, if you want to continue complaining about something I said in -- I don't know March 2017, probably? -- maybe just come over to my house and hang a banner outside my window or something?
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Dodgers discussed a trade of Mookie with DD last July.
View: https://twitter.com/jorgecastillo/status/1227709052479844352
View: https://twitter.com/jorgecastillo/status/1227709052479844352
So, DD starts the talks last July with ownership approval/encouragement, team gets a few wins, DD (overly optimistically?) thinks the team can do something and wants to keep him and ownership is more eager to trade but gives DD some slack... team fades and DD gets fired for not pulling the trigger and the ownership plan resumes in the offseason?
4 in 15! I have no problems with this organization.
4 in 15! I have no problems with this organization.
Based on the negative backlash of dealing Mookie after a whole off-season trying to trade out from under the CBT and getting nowhere, I can only imagine the epic shitstorm that would’ve resulted if DD had dealt Mookie after a winning streak at the deadline in 2019.
Fenway in August/September would have been beyond ugly if that had played out. It's going to be bad enough this year even considering all the hope that normally comes along with Opening Day. Ownership better hope they don't start off slowly again this year...
The Sox were in the middle of an 8 game losing streak at the deadline. But they were 15-10 in July 2 1/2 games behind Tampa and Oakland for the 2nd Wild Card slot. My point, yeah they were still in it but seemingly fading away. Although it never felt like they ever were ever in it really in the whole season. And an epic shitstorm is a pretty accurate summation of what would've happened after trading Mookie.
https://www.baseball-reference.com/boxes/?date=2019-07-31
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The best one, however, is that if someone doesn't want to sign or re-sign IN BOS-FUCKING-TON, it's because he's an egotistical greedhead.
Can we lock this damn thread already please? It is already fast becoming, in the words of one of my favorite posters, "an epic shitstorm".
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