2020 Coaching Carousel: #AnyoneButMcDaniels

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Albert Breer mentioned on the local post game show that O’Shea felt some hostility towards the Patriots for not being promoted to OC and that’s why he left for Miami.
Wait, when? When Josh was HC of the Colts for 6 hours?

If he thought he should be promoted over McDaniels, then I guess that’s an admirable amount of confidence.
 

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Flores getting rid of another ex-Pat
A day after pulling off one of the NFL’s biggest upsets in recent history, the Dolphins dismissed three coaches on Monday, including offensive coordinator Chad O’Shea.
The Dolphins also moved on from offensive line coach Dave DeGuglielmo and safeties coach Tony Oden.
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Replacement for McDaniels if he leaves? O'Shea called plays during some reason games when he was here, right?
Shocker actually. I mean what talent did he really have to work with? He has no QB, no RB, some nice receivers, not a great line. This sucks for O'Shea especially after yesterday and the way the Dolphins finished down the stretch.
If Josh leaves is it more likely that he ends up as Josh’s OC, or Bill’s?
 

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O'Shea takes the hit as someone in Miami had to take the fall for winning too many games.
 

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Not saying it wasn't justified but the Browns are going to have a hard time after only giving Kitchens one year. The Redskins job might be better now that Allen is said to be out too.
Did Snyder sell the team? Seriously though as to some of the thought that Rivera goes to Washington, wouldn't he be better off in NY? Same division, better QB prospect with a decent group of receivers and a running back who should have more good years ahead of him. Some work to do on the O line and defense, but the Giants seem to be a more fixable (and stable) franchise than Washington.
 

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Is NY more stable? Fired their last two coaches after two years. You have a GM that might be on the hot seat if they don't make the playoffs.
 

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Did Snyder sell the team? Seriously though as to some of the thought that Rivera goes to Washington, wouldn't he be better off in NY? Same division, better QB prospect with a decent group of receivers and a running back who should have more good years ahead of him. Some work to do on the O line and defense, but the Giants seem to be a more fixable (and stable) franchise than Washington.
Allen was there for 9 years... Jay Gruden was the coach for 6+ years. I could see Rivera thinking that if they are not terrible he could be employed for awhile.
 

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Allen was there for 9 years... Jay Gruden was the coach for 6+ years. I could see Rivera thinking that if they are not terrible he could be employed for awhile.
And unlike Dallas with Allen gone Rivera gets "complete" control. (Look I know it's Snyder but Danny boy basically did whatever Allen told him and Allen was, not good.)
 

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Allen was there for 9 years... Jay Gruden was the coach for 6+ years. I could see Rivera thinking that if they are not terrible he could be employed for awhile.
Yeah I guess that might have him thinking he'll have time to build the type of team he might like, but doesn't Synder have a reputation of going after free agents and some draft picks that go against what the coach wants.
 

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If I were Rhule I'd be very wary of taking a job under Gettleman. Rhule's reputation is that of an innovator, happy to glean knowledge from progressive high school and college coaches. Gettleman is stuck in a mid-nineties NFL mindset and still thinks the way to win is pounding the ball on the ground and stacking the middle of the defense. He doesn't understand value picks in the draft, would never dream of ever trading down if there's a player available that he likes, and literally scoffs at any type of analytics.

Gettleman is also likely to do anything to save his job this season; it's easy to see him mortgaging the future just to get to 7-9 and calling it a success. I mean, this is a man who traded a 3rd and 5th round pick for pending free agent and perennial underachiever Leonard Williams when the team was 2-6.
 

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McDaniels or Greg Roman is a tough decision for Cleveland, assuming it comes down to that. Roman seems more like an innovator, having had success at the collegiate and pro levels with QBs like Luck and Jackson.
 

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Albert Breer mentioned on the local post game show that O’Shea felt some hostility towards the Patriots for not being promoted to OC and that’s why he left for Miami in the first place.
That makes no sense. McDaniels has been OC for a long time and wasn't going anywhere. Did O'Shea feel like they should have fired McDaniels to make HIM the OC?
 

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Guess they’re re-booting the Ryan Fitzpatrick experience got next year.
That could make sense, though. Use Fitz to hold the line while whatever future QB they draft develops for a year. Combine that with a more experienced offensive coach to help take that side of the ball off of Flores' plate, and they might be set up for a decent transition year before going for it in Year 3.
 

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It was about he Giants and Rhule.

I’d rank the current openings;

1. Dallas
2. Cleveland
3. Carolina
4. Giants
5. Washington
No way CLE is #2 given its current owner and the things written about him. See this for example: https://dawgpounddaily.com/2019/12/31/cleveland-browns-need-let-grown-ups-conduct-coaching-search/

For any coaching candidate with a future, seems like CAR would be the place they could actually coach, followed by NYG if they can get rid of Gettlemen or at least have final authority. DAL, CLE, and WAS should be avoided even if they can negotiate "total control" because what makes anyone think that ownership of these three teams will be able to keep to themselves?
 

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Why is everyone killing Caldwell and Marrone? Is Caldwell who insisted on Bortles? I thought Jax had some good players.

I don’t have a problem with Marrone. Against the grain, I thought he would be good in Jax. He was as he almost made the SB. Have to see how much he can get back from the Coughlin fuckery.
 

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Why is everyone killing Caldwell and Marrone? Is Caldwell who insisted on Bortles? I thought Jax had some good players.

I don’t have a problem with Marrone. Against the grain, I thought he would be good in Jax. He was as he almost made the SB. Have to see how much he can get back from the Coughlin fuckery.
Caldwell has been GM for 7 years, with Coughlin over him for the past 3 years. Besides Bortles, Caldwell also owns the Julius Thomas signing, and he stuck with Gus Bradley a year too long. He’s had more than his share of bad luck (Joeckel, Fowler, et al.), but I think the Jaguars would benefit from new leadership. If I owned the club, Caldwell isn’t the guy I’d choose to make the four 1st-round selections the Jaguars have in the next two drafts.

I’m more ambivalent on the decision to keep Marrone. The team quit on him two years in a row, but we now know that Coughlin’s hypocritical behavior made it impossible to maintain any sort of positive culture. Having made the decision not to clean house completely, I understand the desire to see what Marrone can do with a non-toxic front office. That said, if I were calling the shots I would have cleaned house completely, including Marrone; there’s a lot to be said for a fresh start.
 

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I will reiterate that I will not tolerate any Tony Khan slander on this message board!
 

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Caldwell's been here 7 years (6 of them have ended with double-digit losses) and he picked Bortles and did the Gus Bradley coaching search with one of the prerequisites having to work with Blaine Gabbert as part of the equation. He's also missed on a dump truck full of top ten draft picks.

Shad paid $750-million for a team now worth $2-billion, he's already winning.

It may have turned, but TC hired Doug as HC. Mike Smith was the only other person being considered.

Shad and the team blamed everything on Gus and now it is TC's turn to shoulder the blame as he keeps his band together again.
 
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Caldwell's been here 7 years (6 of them have ended with double-digit losses) and he picked Bortles and did the Gus Bradley coaching search with one of the prerequisites having to work with Blaine Gabbert as part of the equation. He's also missed on a dump truck full of top ten draft picks.

Shad paid $750-million for a team now worth $2-billion, he's already winning.
well, that answers my question. He is pretty bad.
 

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I don't really get the Ron Rivera love. Out of 9 seasons, he's been above .500 three of them. Del Rio? His teams have had bottom 20 defenses more often than top 10. The Skins will go 6-10 and maybe work their way up to an 8-8 team in a few years, then everyone will remember that neither of these guys is particularly good or young, and they'll be in the search for some new names.
 

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I don't really get the Ron Rivera love. Out of 9 seasons, he's been above .500 three of them. Del Rio? His teams have had bottom 20 defenses more often than top 10. The Skins will go 6-10 and maybe work their way up to an 8-8 team in a few years, then everyone will remember that neither of these guys is particularly good or young, and they'll be in the search for some new names.
I like them both. Depends what you want to judge against.
 

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I don't disagree with any of the questions about Rivera or Del Rio. But Washington is a pretty ugly situation to walk into, so you simply aren't getting any top-tier candidates anymore. Jay Gruden was a lot less proven than Rivera is, and previously they hired Jim Zorn who was a total joke. Even good coaches (Shanahan, Gibbs) can't succeed in Snyder-land and I think Rivera and Del Rio are as good as you can hope for until Snyder is gone.
 

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did we hear what Snyder offered that Ron couldn't refuse? was it anywhere comparable to the Jon Gruden special?
 

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The Lions and Patricia cleaned house. Fired strength coach and assistant strength coach, special-teams coordinator, defensive backs coach, linebackers coach and tight ends coach.
 

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As expected, Bears fire OC Mark Helfrich along with o-line, TE, and special teams assistant coaches. They kept QB coach Dave Ragone for some reason. Trubisky’s season was seemingly an extended cry for better coaching.

Since Nagy has always called the plays, the question becomes if he relinquishes that authority - or is forced to - in order to attract the OC they want.
 

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Marrone without Coughlin did pretty well in Buffalo and the players seem to still like him.

I don't disagree with any of the questions about Rivera or Del Rio. But Washington is a pretty ugly situation to walk into, so you simply aren't getting any top-tier candidates anymore. Jay Gruden was a lot less proven than Rivera is, and previously they hired Jim Zorn who was a total joke. Even good coaches (Shanahan, Gibbs) can't succeed in Snyder-land and I think Rivera and Del Rio are as good as you can hope for until Snyder is gone.
The rest of your point aside, I think Shanahan has to prove more than just one meteoric year before we anoint him. Let's remember the terms people were speaking of Sean McVay in this time last year, and the bloom has somewhat come off his rose just one year later. Adam Gase was once talked about glowingly (but prematurely) as well, and many others too.

Shanahan may yet be a good coach, and he's got a data point in his favor, but it's still too early to draw conclusions. Let's see see him build a culture that sustains something first.
 
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Marrone without Coughlin did pretty well in Buffalo and the players seem to still like him.


The rest of your point aside, I think Shanahan has to prove more than just one meteoric year before we anoint him. Let's remember the terms people were speaking of Sean McVay in this time last year, and the bloom has somewhat come off his rose just one year later. Adam Gase was once talked about glowingly (but prematurely) as well, and many others too.

Shanahan may yet be a good coach, and he's got a data point in his favor, but it's still too early to draw conclusions. Let's see see him build a culture that sustains something first.
I think the post was referring to Mike Shanahan.
 

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According to a league source, the Giants have been granted permission to speak with McDaniels, the Patriots offensive coordinator, and Judge, the club’s special teams coordinator and wide receivers coach, about their head coaching vacancy.
Additionally, the Browns and Panthers were given the OK to speak with McDaniels about their head coaching vacancy.

https://www.bostonglobe.com/sports/patriots/2020/01/01/patriots-give-permission-giants-interview-josh-mcdaniels-joe-judge/u4HNDGvnSIi2W9y2d7qEBJ/story.html
 

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Marrone without Coughlin did pretty well in Buffalo and the players seem to still like him.


The rest of your point aside, I think Shanahan has to prove more than just one meteoric year before we anoint him. Let's remember the terms people were speaking of Sean McVay in this time last year, and the bloom has somewhat come off his rose just one year later. Adam Gase was once talked about glowingly (but prematurely) as well, and many others too.

Shanahan may yet be a good coach, and he's got a data point in his favor, but it's still too early to draw conclusions. Let's see see him build a culture that sustains something first.
I'm pretty sure he"s talking about Shanahan's father who won 2 Super Bowls with Broncos and was not very successful in Washington. 2 Super Bowl wins is kinda successful in my book
 

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I think the post was referring to Mike Shanahan.
Yes, he’s the only Shanahan who was a head coach for Washington.

I do agree with Instaface separate from my original post that it’s too early to annoy Kyle as a great coach yet, but the early returns are quite positive there