2019 NFL Week 12 Game Thread

Deathofthebambino

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How is the booth not calling down for a review of that?

And now BoB calls timeout to give them more time to review it? WTF?
 

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If I was a Colts fan, I would be apoplectic about them not at least taking a look at that. It was clearly a fumble, but probably not a clear recovery, but how do you know if you don't even look?
 

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If I was a Colts fan, I would be apoplectic about them not at least taking a look at that. It was clearly a fumble, but probably not a clear recovery, but how do you know if you don't even look?
because I think it was not a clear recovery by the Colts on the field...
 

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Watching that game last night, wow DeAndre Hopkins is going to be a problem. He is going to require help over the top to contain; and god help you if he gets behind you because Watson can get it to him. And in their house and his family in the stands, our D will have their work cut out for them. And W. Fuller isn’t half bad either. Could be an interesting game is we can’t establish a running game.
 

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Question for @CFB_Rules : on the fumble play, does clear possession need to be established on the field - in other words, can they not review that aspect of the play?

And a second question: why was the final play not intentional grounding on Watson? He wasn't out of the pocket and there wasn't a receiver close. The ball landed well out of bounds and the receiver was like 10 yards from the sideline.
 
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Watching that game last night, wow DeAndre Hopkins is going to be a problem. He is going to require help over the top to contain; and god help you if he gets behind you because Watson can get it to him. And in their house and his family in the stands, our D will have their work cut out for them. And W. Fuller isn’t half bad either. Could be an interesting game is we can’t establish a running game.
Houston isn't a concern in any way whatsoever. They aren't a very good team and they cannot protect Watson. The Pats will crush him.
 

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Question for @CFB_Rules : on the fumble play, does clear possession need to be established on the field - in other words, can they not review that aspect of the play?

And a second question: why was the final play not intentional grounding on Watson? He wasn't out of the pocket and there wasn't a receiver close. The ball landed well out of bounds and the receiver was like 10 yards from the sideline.
For A) Do you have an idea what time it was so I can look it up?

For B) Game time + situation. ING takes a long time to call. The nearest official needs to run to the backfield to take to the referee. They need to have a discussion. The referee needs to figure out where the QB threw the ball from (both to determine if he was in the pocket and also to correctly enforce the yardage). If the penalty were to be accepted OR declined, the game is still over (no period extension for foul by offense). Since this foul doesn't matter, there is no reason to stop the teams shaking hands / delay TV etc. The leagues

I thought offsetting penalties was a do-over?
It's an automatic do-over if there is no change of possession. If there is a change of possession, the team is last possession has the right to decline their opponent's foul if they didn't foul before getting the ball. Here's the situation where they don't want offsetting fouls:

Team A snaps from the 50. Team A was lined up in an illegal formation. QB throws an interception at the 40, and the interception is returned for a touchdown. During the return, the return team blocks in the back. If you enforce offsetting fouls, then team A gets to keep the ball since the down is replayed. If this play happened without the illegal formation, then team A would just accept the illegal block and take the TD off the board, but team B would keep the ball. So in this case, the rules allow team B to just decline the illegal formation foul on A so they can keep the ball.
 

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If I was a Colts fan, I would be apoplectic about them not at least taking a look at that. It was clearly a fumble, but probably not a clear recovery, but how do you know if you don't even look?
They look in NY and if it's not even close to a clear recovery they do not buzz down to the on-field referee to even look.
 

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The thing about the fumble play that was so weird is that not only did they not review it, but somehow they ran extra time off the play clock (or, more likely, delayed starting it).

The play ends somewhere around 1:40 plus. On the tv screen they start showing the 40 second play clock ticking down. It is set to run out around 1 minute left.

Then they go to replays. When they get back, the play clock still has ten seconds on it when it gets to a minute of game time. Houston ultimately ends up being able to run out the clock with the fourth down play.

I think what must have happened is that the television was wrong about when the play clock started. Presumably, they did call a fumble on the field and the play is considered still going while they sort out possession. So, it effectively allowed the clock to run another 10 to 12 seconds before they started the play clock, which in turn made it so Houston didn't have to punt.
 

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Holding on each team, Indy elects to accept half the distance back to goal line?
That was an embarrassingly bad look for the officials. To their credit, at least they corrected it and got it right.
 

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For A) Do you have an idea what time it was so I can look it up?

For B) Game time + situation. ING takes a long time to call. The nearest official needs to run to the backfield to take to the referee. They need to have a discussion. The referee needs to figure out where the QB threw the ball from (both to determine if he was in the pocket and also to correctly enforce the yardage). If the penalty were to be accepted OR declined, the game is still over (no period extension for foul by offense). Since this foul doesn't matter, there is no reason to stop the teams shaking hands / delay TV etc. The leagues
Fumble play was right after the 2 minute warning in the 4th quarter.

Thanks for the explanation on ING - so even though it was 4th down, the Colts wouldn't have gotten one untimed down if it was called?
 

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I didn’t see the play but I read that the play wasn’t IG because the QB wasn’t being pressured.
 

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I agree that Houston is a good matchup for us, but our offense is in a state where it could lay a serious dud at any time, so to say there's no concern is laughable.
 

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I agree that Houston is a good matchup for us, but our offense is in a state where it could lay a serious dud at any time, so to say there's no concern is laughable.
There is as much concern as there could be for a hypothetical matchup in Week 19, when it's Week 12.
 

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Should we be concerned about the much less hypothetical week 13 matchup?
One thing with BB you can rely on is he will take Hopkins out of the game. Fuller may get his catches, but the pats typically take out the no.1 option.

Also.. Houstonjust barely beat Indy And Hopkins was more or less invisible except for those two tds.. which were long. (My fantasy team opponent appreciated them I’m sure). It didn’t feel like he was open all game or anything.. more like indys D made a couple huge mistakes. (Wasn’t he left completely uncovered on one of his tds?)
 

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Watch the Patriots and some others play in the rain and cold, and then watch a great matchup in perfect weather in Santa Clara tonight. Is this a great country or what?
 

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Good guys have the Raiders coming to town today. I like the Raiders, I like Gruden so I won’t talk trash about them.


Things in Jets favor.
They are confident after clowning some bad teams.

Raiders have to travel to a cold wet place.

Jets have been good at stopping the run and Raiders need to run the ball. Jets have unproven corners after their bad corners have been hurt but the rain wind should help them.

Things against Jets.
Raiders have a better overall roster.
 

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That pass by Wentz is horrific. What a joke. He sucks, you can't miss that pass from 6 feet.
I'll defer to you, more like 6 feet than 10.

If only this stiff wasn't hurt in 2017...………..and now someone will chime in with "He was playing at an all pro level prior to blowing out his knee"...…………...yeah, I don't care, I would have rather faced him than Folsie with the horseshoe up his ass.
 

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I'll defer to you, more like 6 feet than 10.

If only this stiff wasn't hurt in 2017...………..and now someone will chime in with "He was playing at an all pro level prior to blowing out his knee"...…………...yeah, I don't care, I would have rather faced him than Folsie with the horseshoe up his ass.
I am not sure why the Jets didn't get a TD but it's kind of funny the TD was called back.
 

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The entire Bears-Giants game might be played between the 30-yard lines
 

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Probably his best season, although I'll defer to the opinion of the 'Hawks fans
That's the second week in a row the Iggles got torched by a trick play, which is ironic considering their coach is the king of the trick plays.

And Wentz coughs it up....and the boo birds are out in full force again.
 

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Trubisky and Rudolph get picked in the red zone within moments of each other