There's a distinct bad guy though.
The first 2 things happen on football fields every week. The last one doesn't.
2019 NFL Week 11 Game Thread
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The first 2 things happen on football fields every week. The last one doesn't.
This.
Ok, this too.
I completely agree with the bolded -- where I'm less confident is in what the NFL is going to do. They have proven to administer justice based on the perceived PR hit -- and in light of some of the @ilol@u-type takes--which are clearly pretty common amongst the NFL fanbase based on what I'm seeing online--I'm not sure exactly what that will be.
I agree. It's the case, however, that Rudolph escalated the situation once and then reignited it when it was seemingly over. He doesn't deserve a helmet to the head for that, but absent those two actions this is a virtual non-event, and he needs to get himself under control there.
And I don't recall seeing a man on the ground being beaten and kicked in the head recently (even if one might think he deserved it), so there's that.
Please don't construe this as a defense of Garrett. Whatever he gets from the NFL, he deserves.
And still lost in all of this is Ogunjubi's cheap shot on Rudolph after Garrett swung his helmet. That piece of shit can get a nice long suspension too. It's a good thing the Steelers' OL showed some restraint (other than Pouncey) because a lot of players would have escalated things even further after the cheap shot.
Yeah, I would actually suspend Rudolph too. For the same reason that pulling a guy off a pile is a personal foul. You know where it leads. Which is not to say that Garrett didn’t escalate well beyond reason. But starting fights leads to escalation. This is a legal concept and a common sense one.
Pouncey also gets tagged. You don’t kick at a guy laying passively on the ground. He wasn’t trying to prevent any imminent injury. Maybe what he did makes him a locker room hero, and is understandable, but it’s unacceptable.
I would want all the evidence and to hear from the relevant participants. My current thinking is that Garrett should get something into next year and my punishment would be something like a 1/1.5/5 ratio Rudolph/Pouncey/Garrett. So, if you give Garrett 5, give Rudolph 1, Pouncey 1 or 2.
My resolution would actually be Garrett for 10, which puts Pouncey at 3 and Rudolph at 2, but maybe you reduce Rudolph to 1 since he’s the victim of the most vicious act.
Pouncey also gets tagged. You don’t kick at a guy laying passively on the ground. He wasn’t trying to prevent any imminent injury. Maybe what he did makes him a locker room hero, and is understandable, but it’s unacceptable.
I would want all the evidence and to hear from the relevant participants. My current thinking is that Garrett should get something into next year and my punishment would be something like a 1/1.5/5 ratio Rudolph/Pouncey/Garrett. So, if you give Garrett 5, give Rudolph 1, Pouncey 1 or 2.
My resolution would actually be Garrett for 10, which puts Pouncey at 3 and Rudolph at 2, but maybe you reduce Rudolph to 1 since he’s the victim of the most vicious act.
One at most for me. I can’t say it’s worse than the Gronk play. They are comps. It’s the least significant to me.
Lost in all this is what an absolute embarrassment that game was. The most tension that game produced was whether one of the players gets suspended for a year and criminal charges.
I'm not sure if you're doing a little comedy skit here, if so, disregard, but if not, I'm amazed and impressed at the restraint other posters have shown in responding to this idiocy. As has been alluded to, the comp to this is the benches clearing in baseball, and somebody grabs a bat and hits another player over the head with it. And he absolutely could have maimed or killed Rudolph had the helmet landed a little differently on his head, for fucks sake. He's lucky the result wasn't worse, because criminal assault charges would be in order if it had. Garrett deserves at least the rest of this year, as big a fine as the CBA will allow, and his return next year should be contingent upon his showing real remorse, and taking demonstrable steps to convince the league it will never happen agin. There are others in this who didn't cover themselves in any glory either, and they should be dealt with accordingly. But Garrett is the main culprit, by a wide margin.
Someone up thread mentioned Bertuzzi and McSorley but I think this is where it is very different.
Rudolph was coming at Garrett. Not excusing Garrett either but I think it's different in that regard than those cases.
Watching in break room with co-worker, a casual Colts fan. They show the slow mo of helmet to head and he shudders. Then they show full video and he shrugs and says self defense.
Not exactly my view but there are those out there that put as much if not blame on Rudolph and they are not just Browns fans/ Steelers haters.
A large number of NFL fans are fucking mouth breathing idiots. Virtually every former player and coach I've seen in various media platforms this morning is condemning it in the strongest terms. It's laughable to think Rudolph posed any real physical threat to Garrett. More likely, how dare this mouthy, pretty boy QB get in my face, was the trigger.
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Agreed. The game was out of control. The headshots, particularly Randall, were really bad. Coupled with players complaining about flags and fans booing for clear targeted headshots, the game was out of control. Myles body slamming at the end of the game got the whole sequence going. The Browns have been an undisciplined mess all year.
I agree with others that Rudolph should be suspended 1-2 games. Pouncey should get 3-5 (kicking a pinned down guy in the head regardless as to why is unacceptable), and Garrett should be somewhere in the 10-16 range (he committed battery and should probably be charged imo).
Rudolph's Agent is talking about possibly pressing charges, so this could get pretty spicy. The ESPN article compares it to Gurode, who did not when he got stomped on by Haynesworth. Haynesworth got 5 games.
Anything is possible for Garrett, but I would say 6-8 is most likely (The Browns have 6 games left). I would be surprised if either Steeler got more than 2 games.
The final decision of course isn't Rudolph's but I imagine it carries a lot of weight.
Save your holier than thou speech.
You watch a sport where 300lb men are being paid to hit and hurt each other. Players get CTE playing this game and have killed themselves and others. Sports entertainment includes MMA, WWE, and boxing where guys actually get hurt and could kill each other. Yet people watch them. These sports are violent. They're entetaining. The chances of Rudolph dying there was exactly 0.00%.
Your outrage awards you zero internet points.
Garrett swung pretty hard, Rudolph is lucky it was the bottom of the helmet and not the top.
Wow, that's an impressive field of straw men you've constructed there, Bra. I'll leave you to enjoy your man-cave.
He’d better be and fit into the “regular channels”. Otherwise, it comes off as another example of Rooney/Mara justice.
"Indefinitely" is right out of the RG playbook. He's such a wuss.
"I'm doing something immediately but giving myself the opportunity to see how the wind is blowing before I commit."
"I'm doing something immediately but giving myself the opportunity to see how the wind is blowing before I commit."
I got called out(deservedly) in the news thread for this as well, but it's for a minimum of the rest of this year.
nfl-suspends-myles-garrett-for-the-rest-of-the-year-at-a-minimum
I think he means that affirmatively requesting prosecution isn't dispositive but does carry some weight - which you would agree with - rather than the inverse, where a victim that declines prosecution is often dispositive of not having prosecution going forward.
Disgusted with my team, disgusted with the game, disgusted with the league as a whole at this point.
One thing that may play a role in Rudolph's reaction is his recent concussion October 6th. And just calling that hit a concussion feels kind of like minimizing it. Not to make excuses but an overreaction by Rudolph wouldn't be surprising.
One thing that may play a role in Rudolph's reaction is his recent concussion October 6th. And just calling that hit a concussion feels kind of like minimizing it. Not to make excuses but an overreaction by Rudolph wouldn't be surprising.
I have to say: this actually feels about right. Which is not something I A) anticipated or B) have ever said about a Roger Goodell/related punishment. I’m also shocked/impressed (I can’t believe I’m saying this) that they managed to hand this down in, like, 12 hours. For all the reasons that they should have done it, I can think of about 100 more, knowing the NFL, that they wouldn’t have. But they did.
There is still time to fuck it up though.
I think I just might have found some respect for Burfict:
View: https://twitter.com/victafur/status/1195529352533827584?s=21
View: https://twitter.com/victafur/status/1195529352533827584?s=21
What the fuck did Mikes Garret do that FOX is trying to convince me is understandable even if it was wrong?
Like, WTF is this? And why won’t they stop?
It’s become unnerving. And now I need to know.
Thanks in advance.
Like, WTF is this? And why won’t they stop?
It’s become unnerving. And now I need to know.
Thanks in advance.
Entire AFC South might be within a game at end of the day. Almost the most likely outcome even.
