Can someone please explain this to me? I don’t understand why a modestly paid guy who doesn’t deserve a roster spot could make or break a trade of any consequence. Not saying you guys are wrong — just that I don’t understand.
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He makes 3.1M this year, which is a good deal more than the minimum guys. You need as much salary filler as you can get if you’re trying to match a 17-25M salary.
For example, say that Clint Capela came on the market on December 20. He’s 18ish/year, so you need roughly 15M to match salary. Kanter+Theis+Yabu+a guy gets you there money-wise without giving up any key pieces. It’s a lot harder if you don’t have Yabu’s money to throw in.
This is all important if you’re doing a deal centered mainly around picks, and the other team doesn’t care about the players except as expiring contracts.
This is one I was thinking of (linked to the spot in the highlights):
https://youtu.be/7fRuvwmNa48?t=66
He feels everyone collapsing, and makes the decision to pass instantly, with a bullet on target to GWill.
The ultimate case of this came 6 years ago, when, in order to match the salaries of the outgoing Pierce, Garnett, and Terry, the Celtics needed to have the Nets sign Keith Bogans to a guaranteed contract for 1 year, $5 million (along with other players like the maxed out but worthless Gerald Wallace). Bogans was strictly a veteran minimum guy by that point, and prior to this his salary peak was a 3-year stretch where he was paid about $2.5 million per.
He played 55 minutes with the Celtics before he started complaining about his playing time and the Celtics simply sent him home. Easiest $5 million any player ever earned. I think this is what caused the NBA to put in the base-year compensation rules to close this loophole.
Dream on!
RW looks to have some nice skills in addition to his leaping ability and he has shown an ability to make a mid-range jump shot in the past. But I am worried that by now he should have at least one post move he could use when he gets the ball deep (well other than trying to dunk); at least two times he got the ball low and couldn't dunk, he looked confused and got his shot blocked.
You can get really far as an athletic big without a post move if you understand positioning on offense and defense without having to think about it. Gobert, Capela, and DJ were/are basically never required to do stuff in the post.
It’s a nice-to-have, but there are 4 or 5 other things that are higher priority for TL to master.
Yeah. While it wouldn't kill him to have a trick in his pocket, I'm sure that CBS has him focused on defensive assignments and learning the appropriate actions on offense first (screens, rolls, don't nerf the spacing). If he can become a plus in those two domains, he'll get minutes. The post stuff is a nice bonus.
Well, working on post moves is something that a player can work on by himself; the other stuff is more of a coaching/drill thing.
BTW, I now realize that most people use "dream on" in a sarcastic manner but I wasn't. TL seems more skilled with the basketball than any of the guys you mention plus I don't think I've ever seen anyone block as many jump shots as he has. He's talented enough to be a force in this league - in fact if we could give him GWill's BB IQ, he'd be all-NBA - and I'm certainly rooting for it to happen. But there's something odd about his game. "Passive," isn't quite the right word. Maybe "ethereal"? It's not that he's lazy but it seems that he floats on the court and lets everything come to him and never takes charge.
It will be interesting to see how he performs with more playing time.
I agree with the bolded--my best guess (given that he does seem to have some feel) is that he has a lot of info coming at him and things to process on the court, and that he's thinking rather than reacting. I also think that Summer League is a meh environment for him, because everything is sort of ragtag, so it's hard to work on positioning etc.
My favorite was when Phoenix signed Joe Kleine for this same purpose. He had already signed to be on their broadcast team for the following season then also inked a $1.2m (?) deal that was the largest payday of his career......to not play.
Another key thing to remember is that a team over the cap can take back 150% in salary matching, so Yabu's 3.1M can get you about 4.6M back, he and 1 of the 5M bigs can get you 12.5 or so, Yabu and both bigs gets you to 19M+, etc. So for example, if we wanted to sign Fall to a rookie deal instead of Yabu he would make about $800k, reducing our ability to trade match by 3.5M or so
I thought you had to send 80% of the incoming salary? Or am I just out of it today?
I disagree in a vacuum. What is a young raw player working on by himself? This is the precise reason for having a coach drilling him. These are where the assistants and/or personal instruction is crucial. If you throw a kid out there without any idea what to do he isn't going to accomplish much without direction.
I agree that TL does have more ball skills than most have given him credit for......he isn't entering this league like say, Capela. I had said this back when he was drafted. The reason I don't think his upside is that of "a force" is that he doesn't have the wide array of skills needed to have that type of impact. He does float because he doesn't possess the natural instincts to excel off the ball or the skillset to be a threat off the dribble. I have his upside as that of a rotation big but not more than a 15-18 mpg contributor than say a Biyumbo. Guys like this can be useful.......so long as they don't carry Biyumbo's contract.
That's tax paying teams or non-tax teams for deals over 19.6M
I had it wrong though, I was thinking of the old rule that was 150%, the new rules are .....
| Outgoing salary | Maximum incoming salary |
| $0 to $6,533,333 | 175% of the outgoing salary, plus $100,000 |
| $6,533,334 to $19.6 million | The outgoing salary plus $5 million |
| $19.6 million and up | 125% of the outgoing salary, plus $100,000 |
So by himself Yabu actually brings back a little over 5.5M. with Kanter it's around 13M (depends on what exactly Kanter's year 1 is I assume 4.9 or so?).
I just want to thank you guys for game-threading yesterday (and advice on where to find the game). They're replaying it tonight.
Summer League games aren't for the faint of heart. Thus far, the quality typically falls below an early season college game and just above a high level pick-up game.
RJ Barrett with another stinker. 3-15, with one assist and 8 TOs. It’s going to be a rough situation for him, developmentally, this year on that Knicks squad. Hope he weathers the inevitable media storm.
Oh its happening already...
This is just R.J. Barrett on a Knicks team that clearly has issues much larger than him. I can only imagine what happens when they bait an Irving or a Durant into some sort of conversation once the honeymoon wears off.
Back to Barrett and rookies in general, while then NY Post and the talk show fans aren't likely to give him a break, hopefully the more hardcore NBA fans will understand that the vast majority of these young players are going to take time to develop. Knicks fans are certainly better served with that approach.
if you ever want to see if a trade might work you can use ESPN trade machine, its pretty good if you don't want to read the NBA CBA
http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine
The ideal broadcast for me would be sounds of the game only. I wonder how many minutes of split screen and non sequitur talk we get.
It can be infuriating, but it's at least distracting: as summer league games go there was actually a lot to talk about. You should try putting on music.
I end up muting it. I do like to hear the sounds of the game though. Crowd, cuts, whistles etc...
Local channel has Max, Forsberg, Scal, and Draper calling it from Boston. That could be rough as well.
Is it Summer League for refs, too?
As in development, I mean. I dunno who officiates these things.
It's like the NBA doesn't know how long games last. They schedule this shit like youth soccer games and whoever plays last starts like an hour late.
Yeah it's annoying, but I think they want to fully test it before/if they implement it in the regular season.
But these aren't coach's challenges I don't think. Or at least, we're not being informed that they are.
Here's the thing---the Wizards are gonna suck, and the case was made earlier that the Nets roster is about full. So who cares?
Ah, it's Vince Carter and Grant Hill doing the commentary.
I NEED GRANT AND CARSEN AND TACKO.