SoSH Breaks / Feb 2023 - 2022 Topps Stadium Club

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As for dual autos, odds are so huge for those it’d be a thrill to see one, but I think random between the two is the fairest option giving each team owner a chance to come to an agreement. The cards are worth hundreds so I imagine if it happens discussion would be had.
 

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2022 Topps Stadium Club Baseball Hobby 16-Box Case (Factory Fresh)

is $1,854.95, shipped, from dacardworld.

https://www.dacardworld.com/sports-cards/2022-topps-stadium-club-baseball-hobby-16-box-case-factory-fresh

It's the shrinkwrapped case so safe to say we can be sure it's legit and full of all hits. That amount divided by 25 is $74.20...need add a little for shipping, so can we say $80 per slot for a factory sealed case break of 2022 Stadium Club? Is that acceptable to everyone?
Down for it, and is that cost include us covering your spot?
 

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As for dual autos, odds are so huge for those it’d be a thrill to see one, but I think random between the two is the fairest option giving each team owner a chance to come to an agreement. The cards are worth hundreds so I imagine if it happens discussion would be had.
Haha yes, of course we won't pull one but I am always soooo optimistic going into any pack/box/case break. I just *know* that dual-auto Babe Ruth / Josh Gibson card is in this one single pack I found at Target!!!

Still, juuuuuust in case, it is always good to lay down some loose expectations if we do hit something cool like that.

Down for it, and is that cost include us covering your spot?
It does not, and that is completely unnecessary. But I of course won't say no to that, and if everyone else is cool, that will bring the total to:

1,854.95 / 24 = $77.3. Add some for shipping and handling and call it $85 per? If there's anything left over because I grossly miscalculated, I'll roll it over to the next break or something!
 

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Now, before we get to orderin' and a payin', we still need to sort out spot #25 AND which teams we're going to consolidate! First things first:

down with me. Did we fill the 25th? if not I'll take it.
We had not by the time you posted this, but...

Son and I are in if space remains!
You and your son are always welcome of course! But we only had one spot open, so I'm going to add you both to the reserve list for now if that's cool? Unless you want a single spot for now? Because you can have #25 since you posted before Death. Up to you!

I'll be in if space remains, will take extras if needed as well.
I can add you as the #25 if tmracht is out.


Regardless I've got the spots filled and the reserve/next break list going.

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We need to consolidate some teams...who they gonna be? Let's figure out the definitive team list and I'll get to working on reserving that case from dacardworld.
 

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One last thing...unfortunately there's been a death in the family and we're flying out tomorrow and will return on Sunday. I know we weren't likely going to break between now and then but just wanted to update the group because I'll be a bit quiet while paying my respects.
 

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I got you on the reserve list for the next one, start thinking of a product you want to nominate! I plan to run these as often as we have interest.
 

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Now, before we get to orderin' and a payin', we still need to sort out spot #25 AND which teams we're going to consolidate! First things first:



We had not by the time you posted this, but...



You and your son are always welcome of course! But we only had one spot open, so I'm going to add you both to the reserve list for now if that's cool? Unless you want a single spot for now? Because you can have #25 since you posted before Death. Up to you!



I can add you as the #25 if tmracht is out.


Regardless I've got the spots filled and the reserve/next break list going.

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We need to consolidate some teams...who they gonna be? Let's figure out the definitive team list and I'll get to working on reserving that case from dacardworld.
Don't sweat me getting in or not, if @tmracht or @opes wants it, it's all good.

FYI, for Stadium Club, I've seen team pairings of A's/Rockies, Cubs/Giants and Dbacks/Guardians, so those are probably the 6 worst teams in the product to get on a random draw. Would need to find a couple more and then repair them obviously.
 

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Now, before we get to orderin' and a payin', we still need to sort out spot #25 AND which teams we're going to consolidate! First things first:



We had not by the time you posted this, but...



You and your son are always welcome of course! But we only had one spot open, so I'm going to add you both to the reserve list for now if that's cool? Unless you want a single spot for now? Because you can have #25 since you posted before Death. Up to you!



I can add you as the #25 if tmracht is out.


Regardless I've got the spots filled and the reserve/next break list going.

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We need to consolidate some teams...who they gonna be? Let's figure out the definitive team list and I'll get to working on reserving that case from dacardworld.
One note me and my son would be one ticket. He just adores opening them when they arrive so its more for him and his 4 year old baseball card loving self.
 

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One last thing...unfortunately there's been a death in the family and we're flying out tomorrow and will return on Sunday. I know we weren't likely going to break between now and then but just wanted to update the group because I'll be a bit quiet while paying my respects.
So sorry for your loss :(
 

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We have our final list for the break! And the next break list has been started so please let know if you want in and I'll get you added.
 

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@Kenny F'ing Powers you're up! You want a spot in the break??

FYI, opes already had a spot, @Deathofthebambino, he just asked for a duplicate if we needed. You are top of the list for break #2, then. Think about a product nomination cause it's gonna happen as fast as we can fill the slots.
 

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@Kenny F'ing Powers you're up! You want a spot in the break??

FYI, opes already had a spot, @Deathofthebambino, he just asked for a duplicate if we needed. You are top of the list for break #2, then. Think about a product nomination cause it's gonna happen as fast as we can fill the slots.
Alright, Im confused. Am I up for this break and need to pay, or do I need to think about product for the next break?
 

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Alright, Im confused. Am I up for this break and need to pay, or do I need to think about product for the next break?
Yes, my apologies for the confusion. It's been a whirlwind.

You have been added to the current break, in the place of Ale Xander. Death said he's OK with sitting this one out, and I've added him to the next break list. There was some movement at the end with a few members, but we should be sorted.
 

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Now, before we get to orderin' and a payin', we still need to sort out spot #25 AND which teams we're going to consolidate! First things first:



We had not by the time you posted this, but...



You and your son are always welcome of course! But we only had one spot open, so I'm going to add you both to the reserve list for now if that's cool? Unless you want a single spot for now? Because you can have #25 since you posted before Death. Up to you!



I can add you as the #25 if tmracht is out.


Regardless I've got the spots filled and the reserve/next break list going.

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We need to consolidate some teams...who they gonna be? Let's figure out the definitive team list and I'll get to working on reserving that case from dacardworld.
I took the list I made up from the last three SC Break sales on eBay. The "bottom" ten in order were

SF or Arizona (same average at 21)
Chicago (N)
Cleveland
Colorado
Oakland
Milwaukee
Texas
Chicago (A)
Washington
Miami

This does align in some manner with what DotB had seen if not the order. If we just took that straight up, it'd be something like

SF or Arizona/Miami
Chicago (N) / Washington
Cleveland / Chicago (A)
Colorado/Texas
Oakland/Milwaukee

With that said, below is the hit breakdown of each team. IMO, Arizona should be the paired team not SF - Arizona has a stronger rookie crop but the SF hits are dramatically better if you can get them IMO, so I don't think I agree with them being Bottom 6 in my view.

San Francisco - 2 Image Variations, 1 1991 Design, 3 Chrome, 4 Autos (Crawford and W. Clark are the best), 2 1991 Autos (Posey and W. Clark), 2 Chrome Autos, a Shared Co-Signed with Oakland, 1 Lone Star Auto, 1 PZ Auto, 1 Triumvirates Trio and 1 Standalone, 1 Box Topper / Auto BoX Topper - no notable rookies

Arizona - 3 1992 Rookie Variations, 5 autos (nothing amazing), 1 rookie variation auto, (A. Thomas)

Chicago (N) - Seiya RC, 1 Image Variaion (Seiya), 1 1991 Design Variation, 3 1993 Rookie Variations, 1 Chrome, 4 Autos (K. Wood as best), 1 Lone Star Sig, 1 Beam Team, 1 Power Zone, 1 Regular Box Topper

Cleveland - One 1991 Design Variation, 1 Chrome, 1 Chrome Auto, 1 Box Topper

Colorado - 2 1992 Rookie Variations, 1 Chrome, 2 Autos, 1 Rookie Design Auto, 1 Chrome Auto

Oakland - 2 Image Variations, 2 1991 Design Variations, 2 Chrome, 4 Autos (all retired players, all good), 1 1991 Design Variatiion, 2 Chrome Autos, 1 Beam Team Auto, 1 Co-Signers Auto Shared, 1 Power Zone Auto, 1 Powerzone, 2 Box toppers, 3 Auto Box Toppers

Milwaukee- 2 Image Variations, 1 1991 Design, 1 1992 RC Design, 4 Chrome, 3 Autos (A Ashby is probably best), 2 1991 Design Autos, 1 1992 Design Auto, 3 Chrome Auto, 1 Beam Team, 1 Team of the Future, 1 Box Topper, 2 Box Topper autos

Texas - 1 Image Variation, 1 1991 Design, 1 Chrome, 7 Autos, 1 1991 Auto, 1 1992 Auto, 1 Chrome Auto, 1 Shared Co-Signer, 1 Box Topper, 1 Auto Box Topper (aka the Nolan Ryan and a ton of unknown autos slot)

Chicago (A) 2 Image Variations, 3 1991 Design, 2 1992 Design, 5 Chrome, 7 Autos (many higher quality), 1 1991 Auto, 1 1992 Auto, 5 Chrome Autos, 1 Beam Team Auto, 1 Beam Team, 1 Dynasty and Destiny Split, 1 Team of the Future, 3 Box Topper, 2 Auto Toppers

Washington - 1 Image Variation, 1 Design Variation, 1 Rookie Design Variation, 2 Base Chrome, 3 Autos (mostly low end), 1 rookie design auto, 2 chrome autos, 1 Beam Team Auto, 2 Co-Signer autos, 1 Lone Star Sig, 1 Power Zone Sig, 1 Team of the Future Sig, , 1 Dynasty and Destiny, 1 Power Zone, 1 Team of the Future, 1 Triumvirate, 1 Box Topper

Miami - 2 1992 Rookie, 1 Base Chrome, 7 Autos, 2 Rookie Design Variation, 1 Base Chrome Auto, 1 Team of the Future Auto, 1 Dynasty and Destiny, 1 Team of the Future

Now to me, it feels Chicago (AL) might not even be a "bottom 10" team at all and some of these are stronger than others. I did a brief browse at the teams above and I think all of them have different merits to taste that put them clearly above the bottom ranking (you could argue Baltimore or Minnesota I guess).

If you left it entirely up to me based on this rundown alone and using DotB's "bottom six" as the consensus Bottom Six (I don't agree personally but the consensus is better than my view) I'd do something like the following to try and balance the offerings, get some logical alignment, etc.

A's/Giants (also solves the massive long shot dual signers - two of the bottom six but two of the most exciting of those IMO)
Guardians/Marlins (Marlins high auto numbers and Cleveland has some really good base parallels and to chase - this one may be shored up players)
Rockies/Rangers (adds a lot of potential auto subjects to the Rockies and a Nolan Ryan chase)
Nats/D-Backs - eight autos between them and a bit of a Soto chase
Cubs/Brewers - has the Seiya chase and two pretty decent overall teams

I'd still like Guardians/Marlins to be a bit stronger but I think that issue comes from whatever combo comes in. We could also do a draft and mitigate the judgment calls and people could chase what they want to - probably a better overall experience but more effort for sure.
 

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Just let me know where and when to send my fat wad of cash. All the logistics Im leaving up to smarter people.
 

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I'd still like Guardians/Marlins to be a bit stronger but I think that issue comes from whatever combo comes in. We could also do a draft and mitigate the judgment calls and people could chase what they want to - probably a better overall experience but more effort for sure.
Amazing work, thank you. Something like this:

Red Sox
Yankees
Blue Jays
Orioles
Rays
Royals
Twins
White Sox
Tigers
Mariners
Astros
Angels
Mets
Braves
Phillies
Cardinals
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Pirates
Dodgers
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As/Giants
Rockies/Rangers
Nats/D-Backs
Cubs/Brewers
Guardians/Marlins
 
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Thank you for doing this

Want to PayPal you so just confirming….we landed on $85?

Please count me in for the next break as well

Thank you
 

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Is there another method we could break besides teams? Its a total of 2048 cards. 81.92 cards/person. Is there a double way to radomize that? Or open each pack from for 1 person, than the next pack for another person. I'm just spitballing. Somebody is going to just stuck with a shit team. I know I did last time.
 

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I'm open to all suggestions! I understand how it sucks to get stuck with a shit team. But it also sucks when you get a "good" team but shit cards, like the last 10-ish or so breaks I've participated in via eBay. No matter which player I picked or which team, all cards were mostly basics.

Not for us though, we're getting 32 1/1 autos from only Hall of Famers!

I'm not sure what exactly is the best, most farest way to break. For now we can keep tweaking to see if we come up with something better than teams or players.
 
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Is there another method we could break besides teams? Its a total of 2048 cards. 81.92 cards/person. Is there a double way to radomize that? Or open each pack from for 1 person, than the next pack for another person. I'm just spitballing. Somebody is going to just stuck with a shit team. I know I did last time.
Just brainstorming other options though we'd probably want to adjust the number of entries and consider that earlier in the process

Hit Draft - basically you have x entries and y hits, all the cards are opened and all hits (however that's pre-defined) are added to list, and then the entries are randomized and select their hit in an order. Stadium Club as a product has 32 autos and it's quite likely some numbered parallels, inserts, unnumbered insert lots, specific player cards, etc. I don't think it'd be insanely difficult to get to 50 slots if we wanted and each person could get two "hits". The downside of this is, I think, it makes breaks boring as no one is rooting for anything to happen more rooting to get a good draft spot. The non hits could then be divvied up and distributed equally to folks or donated if people don't want base cards.

Sequenced Hits - each person gets a hit slot, and whatever hit appears in there they get. Much more common with high end breaks as opposed to things like SC but basically if I were 1, I'd get the first auto or notable hit however it's defined. If Opes was second he'd get the second, etc. Extra hits would be randomed. We could have teams for non-hits or just a random distribution. Upside is like a hit draft it guarantees everyone something, the downside is that for viewers, until you're "up", it's kind of a bad watch and less fun.

Exclusion of the Best or Worst Teams: Some breaks will outright remove either the top teams or lowest teams and randomize those hits. That was kind of done here here by "pairing" the lower end teams. In this case, it'd either be randoming like all the Seattle hits to give everyone that Julio (and others) chance or all of like...the Cleveland hit(s). The definition of "shit" team is tough...I personally don't think there are ten bad teams in this break and in most cases the combination of two teams at least rise that tide a bit.

Limiting the Entries to Ensure Everyone Has a Good Team: We'd probably need to exclude a handful of folks and then just assign those lower end teams to mid-team holders. It defends on definition of bad team or whatever.

Pricing Out Teams and Letting People Choose Them: Right now we're running a uniform cost - many breakers who do PYT will price out to that. What Joe paid out for the case is within about $120 of the last case break and a half on Ebay (three different auctions) so those prices except for LAA would be about right (the full case break took ot Ohtani). The upside is that a lot of the teams would likely end up cheaper and those who are okay doing this with a less than top tier team can likely spend less to do so and those who really want those top tier teams can pay for it. The downside is that teams often sit for a while in that - like I imagine the Sox get picked up immediately - the Yankees slot is about $125 and we may have a Yankees fan who wants it. Anyone want to Witt hunt for $160? Alternatively, even those lower end teams at a lower price can be the hold up. Like even the CLE/MIA slot is probably a $60 slot. The randomization element of potentially getting Seattle slot for the entry price is part of the appeal for some folks I assume. It's also possible to have people sign up for tiers and randomize within that - like $125 a slot for Tier 1 (1-10) and $60 for the remaining 15 slots, so people who are likely to get those lesser entries at least pay less for the pleasure of it.

By Pack: Similar to sequenced hits, and by your suggestion, there are breaks who randomize pack numbers and User A gets Pack 1, User B Pack 2, etc. Kind of similar to sequenced hits except there's no guaranteed hits and is still random (so someone could go crazy). This works better when each pack has a hit in my view. I think it'd be a nightmare for the breaker to track as it goes as well.

I think a lot of it comes back to the harder truth that we're already breaking an uneven product and there's only so much that can be done to minimize that without really crunching the available slots down. I feel like SC as a product, with the way it's being done, still has some interest or value in those double slots or those single teams at the end of the general priority list. And I'm saying this as the person who got the lowest ranked team in the Bowman Chrome break we did and I think the 19th pick in the SC break we did (and got skunked entirely). I'd be more concerned the end slots weren't doubled up but I think that does some work here - just market wise those last five slots with two teams are "pricing" around a high end midtier team. Just my view. And to Joe's point, the best team in a break often isn't the one paid for. I think in the last SC draft KC went near the end and hit like 5 autos, Texas went 23rd or so and hit a Nolan Ryan auto, etc.

My preferred breaker also does a hitless pack - for people who end up only getting base cards or nothing they sent along a (relatively inexpensive) pack of cards just as a liltte "thanks for trying" gift. It was nice.
 
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Again, awesome post and thank you for the work. I'm down for anything because it's all fun and my only real form of gambling. Hell I don't even care if I have a slot I just want rip packs and send you all huge hits.

For this break, I think we need to keep it drafted teams, and then work on future breaks depending on product (as Fisher points out).
 

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Please let me know if you want to be entered in the random drawing for the free box of hockey cards we got with our order! I will update our master list and will just do a drawing for those who are interested. I personally am not, and would rather they go to a true hockey fan (I fucking love the sport, love watching, know fuck all about it).