2022 Jets: Fields of Green

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I'm not sure Allen doesn't fail completely with the NYJ either. He had a rough start in Buffalo growing into the job and the NYC media and dysfunctional Jets may have pulled the plug before he figured it out or he may not be in a position to figure it out (Hello Diggs). Forget drafting lance, but if they got the 49ers trade and picked up 2 more 1st Rounders and a 3rd they could have rebuilt so quickly with a good draft.
Yup. That's the hard part. They had 3 options:

1. Draft Wilson
2. Throw a dart and basically add a non-QB Pro Bowler for a decade (Parson, Chase, Waddle, Horn, Surtain, etc.)
3. Trade the pick or move down and pick up a TON of draft capital and maybe still get one of the guys from Option 2

They put all of their eggs in the Wilson basket and it blew up in their face. It's logical on its face for a team without a franchise QB to do so but shows just how costly missing on one of those guys really is.
 

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Yup. That's the hard part. They had 3 options:

1. Draft Wilson
2. Throw a dart and basically add a non-QB Pro Bowler for a decade (Parson, Chase, Waddle, Horn, Surtain, etc.)
3. Trade the pick or move down and pick up a TON of draft capital and maybe still get one of the guys from Option 2

They put all of their eggs in the Wilson basket and it blew up in their face. It's logical on its face for a team without a franchise QB to do so but shows just how costly missing on one of those guys really is.
(15th not 2nd, but...thinks about Mac, shakes head sadly)
 

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Except for the feeling of helplessness when you need points to claw your way back into a game. Then "feeble offense without a franchise QB" feels pretty similar, regardless of draft capital.
 

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Well yeah it hasn't worked out. But A) the Pats haven't cut bait, yet and B) the opportunity cost wasn't nearly as high
 

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I know it was necessary for the pun, and I haven't seen it in a while, but my memory of that picture tells me that you're being generous with the 6".
In retrospect, he played like a man either with enormous confidence or a lot to prove. Now we know.
 

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sorry about hackett

he only works if u get rodgers if he does not it will be a distaher he also called 2-3 WTF calls duing the game
 

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sorry about hackett

he only works if u get rodgers if he does not it will be a distaher he also called 2-3 WTF calls duing the game
Indeed. You only hire Hackett for his supposed value as the Rodgers whisperer and if you don't get Rodgers...then you're stuck with Hackett.

Unless Rodgers has already decided to force his way to the NYJ and has quietly told his BFF Hackett to meet him there?
 

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This job is a pretty big risk for Hackett. He could find himself out of the league if he flops again after last year and while there is lots of speculation, it’s entirely possible the Jets QB in 2023 is a sort of blah option. Sometimes these kinds of coaches might be better off going away for a year and coming back.
 

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This job is a pretty big risk for Hackett. He could find himself out of the league if he flops again after last year and while there is lots of speculation, it’s entirely possible the Jets QB in 2023 is a sort of blah option. Sometimes these kinds of coaches might be better off going away for a year and coming back.
Better to get back on the horse.

AFCE very unsettled right now - lots of moving pieces amongst coaching staff and QBs. Could be wide open or stacked, depending on QB health / changes, spending, draft, coaching etc.

Would not like to be an NFL oddsmaker.
 

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Sauce: DROY
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The team stopped winning after Breece got hurt. So I’m going to disagree with you there
He had 3 total games with more than 8 carries. They had a 4 game winning streak against 3 non-playoff teams and the Dolphins, who got 1 snap out of Bridgewater before being replaced by the completely unprepared Skylar Thompson.

I like Breece, but had he played a whole season, the Jets still weren't making the playoffs. Not with the QBs the Jets had taking snaps.
 

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He had 3 total games with more than 8 carries. They had a 4 game winning streak against 3 non-playoff teams and the Dolphins, who got 1 snap out of Bridgewater before being replaced by the completely unprepared Skylar Thompson.

I like Breece, but had he played a whole season, the Jets still weren't making the playoffs. Not with the QBs the Jets had taking snaps.
I don’t see how anyone could come to a different conclusion honestly. Sure the run game took a step back when he got hurt but… they don’t win two more games because he’s healthy with their situation at QB. I liked him coming out and he showed a lot of promise before he got hurt but running backs only move the needle so much.
 

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The Jets had two close losses to NE, a close loss to Minn, a close loss to Detroit, and a close loss to Miami in their last bunch of games of the season.

If they somehow win two of those games, they would have made the playoffs. The margin was pretty thin, to suggest Breece couldn't take them over the top is crazy considering all those close losses.
 

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The Jets had two close losses to NE, a close loss to Minn, a close loss to Detroit, and a close loss to Miami in their last bunch of games of the season.

If they somehow win two of those games, they would have made the playoffs. The margin was pretty thin, to suggest Breece couldn't take them over the top is crazy considering all those close losses.
Why bother responding to these asinine posts.
 

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Was not trying to be disrespectful or asinine I assure you. Do you think his health really changed the calculus that much?
Considering they had 5 one score losses, including three games that literally came down to the last play, um, yes. The calculus might have changed significantly.
 

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Considering they had 5 one score losses, including three games that literally came down to the last play, um, yes. The calculus might have changed significantly.
9th best overall DVOA in the AFC and a -20 point differential. Again I get that running backs matter but I think analytically this is a bit rich.
 

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I thought the losses the Jets had to their offensive line during the season were significantly more instrumental than Hall. They had absolutely brutal injury luck there.

Hall had over 90 yards in 2/7 games too.
 

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9th best overall DVOA in the AFC and a -20 point differential. Again I get that running backs matter but I think analytically this is a bit rich.
I am not arguing the Jets offense was good. I have been vocal from day 1 that Zach Wilson is truly terrible. All I am saying is that you cannot avow the Jets wouldn't have made the playoffs with Breece Lightning considering they lost a bevy of close games. Minnesota sucked this season and they were in the playoffs easily because they won all their close games. And then they got stomped.

If the Jets made the playoffs due to a couple of good bounces, they would have gotten stomped, too. But they were close to the playoffs, just like the Pats were.
 

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Minnesota was 11-0 in one score games. They were a fraud and just lucky all season. I feel like I was pretty vocal about that and they got bounced to a hapless Giants team in round 1.
 

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They were 7-10, you’re talking about needing to change the outcome of 5 games! A healthy Hall isn’t changing the outcome of 5 games. No one player minus a QB is doing that.
Edit: 3-5 games? Either way I can’t see how a running back is changing that many outcomes.
 

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If you’re pointing to injuries derailing the Jets season isn’t having only 2/5 offensive line starters stay healthy for the season a more significant hindrance than a running back?
 

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They were 7-10, you’re talking about needing to change the outcome of 5 games! A healthy Hall isn’t changing the outcome of 5 games. No one player minus a QB is doing that.
Edit: 3-5 games? Either way I can’t see how a running back is changing that many outcomes.
If I have this correct, you're saying it is impossible that the Jets could have won 3 of the very close games that they lost. All I am saying is that it was possible.
 

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If I have this correct, you're saying it is impossible that the Jets could have won 3 of the very close games that they lost. All I am saying is that it was possible.
I am not saying it is impossible. Nothing is in football. But likely? No.
 

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Why bother responding to these asinine posts.
Pretty much.

A better running game that required less of the QB could have made a difference in some of those close losses. I don't think that is a controversial take at all.

But, I just got done reading the HOF thread and some of the comparisons between Thomas and Bruschi, so I can't say that I'm surprised.
 

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Put it this way if you said that had the jets offensive line stayed healthy this season they probably had a good chance of making the playoffs I would agree with you. Either way… I can see your point that Hall could have influenced a couple outcomes. I don’t think it’s asinine though to suggest it wouldn’t have been enough.
 

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And respectfully I ain’t no Pats homer and I don’t think Bruschi was better than Thomas.
 

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One of the beauties of the NFL is that 14 teams are in the playoffs and ten others were thisclose - just a bounce or a bad call away.
 

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Put it this way if you said that had the jets offensive line stayed healthy this season they probably had a good chance of making the playoffs I would agree with you. Either way… I can see your point that Hall could have influenced a couple outcomes. I don’t think it’s asinine though to suggest it wouldn’t have been enough.
The Jets were two bounces from making the playoffs as it was. How is it controversial to say they were close to making the playoffs?

Were the Pats close to making the playoffs? I would submit they were. The Jets basically had the same chance.
 

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Pretty much.

A better running game that required less of the QB could have made a difference in some of those close losses. I don't think that is a controversial take at all.

But, I just got done reading the HOF thread and some of the comparisons between Thomas and Bruschi, so I can't say that I'm surprised.
Where did SMU favorably compare Bruschi to Thomas’ HOF credentials?
 

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The Jets were two bounces from making the playoffs as it was. How is it controversial to say they were close to making the playoffs?

Were the Pats close to making the playoffs? I would submit they were. The Jets basically had the same chance.
I don’t know about that. I believe in stuff like point differential and -20 to me indicates that they were more than 2 bounces away