1/19/2023 Celtics host Warriors: Jiri Welsch is Watching

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The ref's explanation on the Al foul on Wiggins' three was that Al moved his feet and violated Wiggins' landing space.

Which he did not.
He said that he hit his shooting arm with his left hand as he was going up.. it's possible there was a tiny amount of contact.. and that can really throw you especially on long threes..

Feels like the Warriors basically play the clutch, grab, hack system on defense and just figure they're not going to get called every play. C's did get a bunch of calls, but there were quite a few more they could have gotten.. and the OOBs calls all night were awful.
 

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The Celtics will never play that poorly at home again...

The Warriors need to move one of the kids for frontcourt help immediately

63-47 rebounding edge
 

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What the Dubs do very expertly is that whack shooting motion if someone breathes near them and the refs always buy it because the game is too fast.
 

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I should be happy we beat that punk ass team but I am agitated by how corrupt that seemed.
 

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I want lasers to shoot at the offending refs too. Imagine the NBA running out of officials because Josh Tiven got fried during a Wolves/Rockets game on a Tuesday night.
Then the robots shooting the lasers take over for the human refs. A "survival of the fittest". You call it as well as the robots or you're forcibly replaced by them.
 

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Here is another thing about this game which is bullish. They won despite rough shooting by the Jays but the rest of the rotation, Brogdon, Al, TL, White and even Smart all pitched in on this one. They no longer rely on those two guys only - I still think they will need more bucketmaking during the second season - and leaving that aside, this is why Stevens paid up assets to build the rotation. Now that they have those guys instead of the Schroder, Richardsons and other flotsam that they had to rely on for secondary scoring etc. The model works.
 

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He said that he hit his shooting arm with his left hand as he was going up.. it's possible there was a tiny amount of contact.. and that can really throw you especially on long threes..
Possible that there was a tiny amount of contact...but did you really think the referee saw it?

Not a chance.

His whistle was locked and loaded on that play.
 

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Don’t know about you but I will be the biggest Nuggets and Grizzlies fan come playoff time.
I would rather play the Warriors than the Nuggets. We know how to beat the Warriors, we just have to execute for 4 quarters and not start faffing around. We don't, I would assert, know how to beat the Nuggets - especially if Jokic stops playing like an idiot in playoff games. Our game in Denver was the most demoralizing loss of the season imo, and I couldn't even watch all of the OKC game. Because I know we're better than OKC, we just had a bad night. But the Denver game... that one put doubt in my mind.
 

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Maybe this is just perception bias but I get the sense that refs call “important” games like today much worse than an “average” games - I think refs tighten up for big games and then counterintuitively fuck up more often because they’re so aware that the game means a lot.

Which is a problem that I’m not sure how to solve. Someone suggested an eye-in-the-sky approach and while I’m generally loathe to introduce more reviews, etc. it’s pretty clear the game is too fast/subtle for NBA refs to keep up with so the idea of someone watching TV who could buzz down to the refs when it’s just blatantly obvious they missed a call has some merit. Maybe only in the last 5 minutes of a game or something.
 

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Then the robots shooting the lasers take over for the human refs. A "survival of the fittest". You call it as well as the robots or you're forcibly replaced by them.
I would watch the hell out of that. Imagine if they had this and let fans choose an opposing player to target. Draymond wouldn't make it out of the tunnel.
 

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The amazing thing is the out of bounds on Wiggins was an even worse call!

Tim Donaghy would blush at that last minute
 

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I agree, I thought the officiating was on the bad side of average, but on the "Normal" part of the bell curve.

The replay overturn on the kick ball was peak idiocy, though, I must say.
There were definitely bad calls against Boston but like I said earlier, that Brogdon block of Poole was no ball and all wrist. No foul. This stuff tends to even out over the course of a game imo.
 

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I would rather play the Warriors than the Nuggets. We know how to beat the Warriors, we just have to execute for 4 quarters and not start faffing around. We don't, I would assert, know how to beat the Nuggets - especially if Jokic stops playing like an idiot in playoff games. Our game in Denver was the most demoralizing loss of the season imo, and I couldn't even watch all of the OKC game. Because I know we're better than OKC, we just had a bad night. But the Denver game... that one put doubt in my mind.
I flat out don’t trust the officiating if it’s GS. Just like the Lakers back when they didn’t suck. :)
 

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The NBC Sports Boston people need to rethink the cringy post-game set up with awkward fans in the background.
 

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Maybe this is just perception bias but I get the sense that refs call “important” games like today much worse than an “average” games - I think refs tighten up for big games and then counterintuitively fuck up more often because they’re so aware that the game means a lot.

Which is a problem that I’m not sure how to solve. Someone suggested an eye-in-the-sky approach and while I’m generally loathe to introduce more reviews, etc. it’s pretty clear the game is too fast/subtle for NBA refs to keep up with so the idea of someone watching TV who could buzz down to the refs when it’s just blatantly obvious they missed a call has some merit. Maybe only in the last 5 minutes of a game or something.
The eye in the sky is something the NFL actually got right, even if it's inconsistently applied. Fans just want to get the obvious calls right. It's not the end of the world if it isn't done by the stripes on the field/court.
 

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The eye in the sky is something the NFL actually got right, even if it's inconsistently applied. Fans just want to get the obvious calls right. It's not the end of the world if it isn't done by the stripes on the field/court.
And an eye in the sky can spare all of us from the exhortations from some to understand how hard it is to officiate today’s game. Agreed! So why the fuck are we enabling its symptoms?
 

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Tatum had a rough shooting night BUT that happens from time to time. What shouldn't happen is him playing lazy ball with his head up his ass. He has to be more focused.
 

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The eye in the sky is something the NFL actually got right, even if it's inconsistently applied. Fans just want to get the obvious calls right. It's not the end of the world if it isn't done by the stripes on the field/court.
Yep. I've never understood having refs look at a monitor on the side of a court/field in a poorly lit environment.

Tennis is the one sport that got replay right...robots
 

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Jekyll and Hyde game, but really nice to see them fight through adversity and come out of there with a win against a team that has their number. Tatum played 41 consecutive minutes to end the game. Despite the turnovers, a really nice game from him.
 

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Some dumb TOs and not an efficient shooting night but JT was the best player on the floor down the stretch. 34/19!!/6 and 12-12 from the line. MVP.
 

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I watch a lot of NBA - too much to be healthy - and its about par for the course for me.

The NBA, where rando calls happen
I don't watch a lot of non-celtics games, but I am confident in saying that was by far the worst officiated Celtics game of the season by a wide wide margin.
 

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There were at least five plays where the refs waited to see if the GS shot went in before blowing the whistle. I get that Boston got some no-calls as well, but if Tatum got the calls that Curry and Wiggins got, it would have been a very different game.
 

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Tatum had a rough shooting night BUT that happens from time to time. What shouldn't happen is him playing lazy ball with his head up his ass. He has to be more focused.
I would love it if he never played more than 34-35 minutes the rest of the way. I am giving him a pass on some of those "lazy" plays as he looked gassed in the middle stretch of the 4th.

Some dumb TOs and not an efficient shooting night but JT was the best player on the floor down the stretch. 34/19!!/6 and 12-12 from the line. MVP.
He played tough when it mattered and we needed every single one of those rebounds and free throws. Shoutout to Al for setting the tone early on and coming up clutch at the end, as he does.
 

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I would rather play the Warriors than the Nuggets. We know how to beat the Warriors, we just have to execute for 4 quarters and not start faffing around. We don't, I would assert, know how to beat the Nuggets - especially if Jokic stops playing like an idiot in playoff games. Our game in Denver was the most demoralizing loss of the season imo, and I couldn't even watch all of the OKC game. Because I know we're better than OKC, we just had a bad night. But the Denver game... that one put doubt in my mind.
We beat the Nuggets by 19 at home, and in a 10 point road loss at elevation we lost to a team that shot 57% from 3. I'm going with the defending champs.
 

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Possible that there was a tiny amount of contact...but did you really think the referee saw it?

Not a chance.

His whistle was locked and loaded on that play.
I'm with you.. if that's a foul then there are a ton more fouls per game that aren't called... they showed a ton of angles and it was hard to see any that showed any contact.

I don't know when he blew the whistle.. but it would have made more sense if he made the call after the shot was so obviously off. I think it was a horrible call in that situation but was pretty par for the course for the game.