Yeah this pretty much. It’s not that I think Mac is good, it’s just that there are so many other problems on offense, all of which complement (or whatever the reverse of that is) each other such that it’s hard to get a clear read on him. I don’t think he’s so bad that he’s completely hopeless if he has the right pieces around him.
Agreed and this is why the decision to have Patricia be the OC *and* implement a new offense was so damn infuriating to me. This whole season was a waste in terms of determining Mac’s long term worth.
I believe they have won one game with Mac in which they allowed more than 22 points (24 to the Chargers).
It was new enough. They wasted a lot of time in camp with things they ended up scrapping. And they clearly went away from several McDaniels principles.
I agree with most of your assessment but I would go back to Belichik's three most important qualities in a QB. Tough, smart (processes rapidly) and accurate. I'll give Mac toughness but its seems clear to me that he does not excel at processing quickly and lastly, I question just how accurate a passer he is. Too many short-arm throws, especially in checkdowns, and often inferior ball placement. You could see a winning QB who is the antithesis of a Josh Allen but he must be tough smart and accurate. John, I don't always see that. I'd like to see them draft a QB who is the counter opposite of Mac, Richardson may go too high but what's your feeling on Hooker.
Yeah the three INTs today....
Mac has weapons, he just doesn’t hit them with any type of accuracy or confidence. He’s yet to throw a ball to a RB accurately. On the play where Thornton got drilled Mac had a wide open Henry, never saw him. He’s late ad high with a ton of balls because his arm strength is poor.
He’s got to throw more accurate passes. I don’t put the Harris INT on him but he threw an inaccurate ball.
Definitely. It was low and behind Harris. Almost impossible to catch. but it should have been an incompletion, not an interception. Really bad luck for that to be picked.
He might be. He wouldn't be the first late round pick to be better than a lot of other QBs.
But one advantage of throwing it short like that is that it pretty easily causes a DPI. Which it did in this place. Except....no flag.
Sure, but that’s not the intent there. Got tons of space in the back corner, he just underthrew it because of bad footwork.
Mac has weapons? Meyers is probably his top WR weapon and that is not good. This argument has been rehashed enough here but with a better play caller and competent line, who mostly did well today, this is a top half unit with a top quarter defensive unit. The failure begins and ends with BB due to his coaching decisions on the offensive side.
You're probably right but still.
that's not great.
He’s a terrible athlete overall. At Alabama he literally had a gut. He’s in better shape now but he’s physically limited at everything. It’s fucking painful.
Compared to what, man? Like who is a worse athlete that is even close to his age? Pickett is the only guy I can think of.
He’s not particularly athletic by 2022 NFL standards. I thought he was more athletic last year, and it may be because he was more decisive when he ran, and Josh designed some for him. But he has very little escapability and doesn’t seem to pass well consistently when he’s moving. If he had a cannon, was accurate and smart it wouldn’t be a deal breaker. But it does seem like he has a lot to overcome athletically.
He’s nearly exactly like Bledsoe in my mind, honestly. He’s so stiff. He reacts poorly to pressure and doesn’t move well in the pocket. He’s slower than a fat girl running up the staircase, and he doesn’t have anywhere near Drew’s arm.
I think Pickett has better escapability and throwing on the run skills, lol. You guys are probably right, he's one of the least athletic guys out there in this day and age, I just don't think it's all that jarring when I watch him play.
At least Mac showed some accountability at his presser today. Most of my issue with Mac is that he doesn't seem to have the best attitude, so I was happy to see him own up to the bad season.
This. In a league where so many QBs are big or mobile or both, Mac is neither. Think of all the plays Josh Allen makes scrambling or throwing on the run or buying time and like careening all over the place.
I guess it depends on what you mean by win. Make the playoffs and win a round, maybe two? I guess. But given his physical limitations, for us to compete for a championship with Mac, he'd need to have great feel in the pocket, see the field really well, process what a defense is doing quickly, and throw darts. In short, he'd need to be that genius-level football IQ guy we were sold on, a Tom Brady lite. It would also help if he were nails in crunch time or gave some indication he could be. I don't see it with him. I want to but don't.
He is good at press conferences and holding the Bill line. He's got that going for him.
that’s gotta be some counting stat, but I would say he isn’t particularly close to top 15
I think he meant, he can put up a top 10 season in a perfect scenario, like Matt Ryan did that one MVP season with great talent and a great coordinator, well above any other year of his career, not that his ceiling is Matt Ryan talent every year.
Is he not? Pro football reference HOFm has him 12th all time among QB; in between Steve Young and Roethlisberger. 9th in AV, 10th all time in GS, 5th in completions and attempts, 11th in completion %, 9th in passing TD, 7th in yards, 9th in TD, 17th in rating. Stuck around a long time and was durable, even if the last five years or so have been meh.
