Kyrie is dirty rotten no good and we have schadenfreude…?

joe dokes

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Big fucking deal. Tax write off if he actually even makes the donation.

did he say WHY he is making this gesture?
Yeah. He's doing it because someone told him thats the best way to get people off his back.
"Its always about the money with those people."
 

JakeRae

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The statement includes an apology from Kyrie and his “family”. I’ll interpret this as a $500k fine from the league/team.

Fuck Kyrie.
Kyrie’s statement is not an apology and, if anything, makes it clear he actually is antisemitic since he cannot bring himself to condemn it.
 

Philip Jeff Frye

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Kyrie’s statement is not an apology and, if anything, makes it clear he actually is antisemitic since he cannot bring himself to condemn it.
His statement says, "I do not believe everything said in the documentary was true or reflects my morals and principles." So some of the things said in the "documentary" are true or reflect his morals and principles?

Love the use of the term documentary too, implying that this film is not hate filled propaganda but something more objective.
 

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Kyrie’s statement is not an apology and, if anything, makes it clear he actually is antisemitic since he cannot bring himself to condemn it.
Fair enough. The segment of the statement I referred to:
"I am aware of the negative impact of my post towards the Jewish community and I take responsibility," Irving said in the joint statement. "I do not believe everything said in the documentary was true or reflects my morals and principles. I am a human being learning from all walks of life and I intend to do so with an open mind and a willingness to listen. So from my family and I, we meant no harm to any one group, race or religion of people, and wish to only be a beacon of truth and light."
I repeat: fuck Kyrie.
 

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Take responsibility is a weird way to apologize. It’s a slightly negative word, but is also kind of close to achieve. Like yeah, looks like I was responsible for fucking the Jewish community up. I did that. Not sorry though.
 

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His statement says, "I do not believe everything said in the documentary was true or reflects my morals and principles." So some of the things said in the "documentary" are true or reflect his morals and principles?

Love the use of the term documentary too, implying that this film is not hate filled propaganda but something more objective.
Considering how stubborn Kyrie typically is and was in the press conference about this in particular, that’s probably the best the Nets PR department could get him to say. Kind of makes me wonder who is actually paying his half of the donation.
 
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“Donate the money or we’ll suspend you and you’ll lose more” was likely the deciding factor.
 

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I'm not sure I love the ADL taking the money.

It's really bad when you get into the world where someone says really bigoted shit, gets called out, and makes a donation to make it go away. Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton have done a lot of this, if I recall correctly, and it starts looking like a shakedown rather than a legit effort to change minds.
 

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It would have been better if Kyrie made a series of public service announcements about the dangers of racism and anti-semitism. Agreed on the sincerity of a check, even a big one.
 

joe dokes

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That's an apology delivered by someone who has no idea what it actually means to apologize.
 

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Take responsibility is a weird way to apologize. It’s a slightly negative word, but is also kind of close to achieve. Like yeah, looks like I was responsible for fucking the Jewish community up. I did that. Not sorry though.
‘know who else was aware of and took responsibility for the negative impact his actions had on the Jewish community?
 

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That's what she said.
The PR firm obviously wrote a first draft. It probably said "I apologize for..."

Kyrie said, don't say that. Then the PR firm likely said "You should probably use the word 'apologize' or 'I am sorry' or it won't sounds like you are sorry." To that advice Kyrie said "don't say either of those things..."

What a joke.
 

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They are really dropping the ball on this. It’s been handled as poorly as can be by nets & nba.
 

Van Everyman

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Yeah, I'm not seeing what the NBA did wrong here other than to give him a chance to apologize. Instead he made a half-hearted attempt to buy his way out of the situation.

I am wondering, too, whether the league may not be too happy with the Nets right now with the Ime situation.
 

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This is true. At least the rich appreciate the value that poor people provide as incentive to the bourgeoisie to work harder and support capital lest they too become poor.
I hope you’re not expecting me to disagree with that. Working class/poor resentment starts with the fact that the upper classes hold them in contempt.
 

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Yeah, I'm not seeing what the NBA did wrong here other than to give him a chance to apologize. Instead he made a half-hearted attempt to buy his way out of the situation.

I am wondering, too, whether the league may not be too happy with the Nets right now with the Ime situation.
I cannot recall the last time Silver or Stern before him issued a press release effectively shading a star player (and imo, most NBA people consider Kyrie a star player even if folks here understandably fo not) for their personal views.

The NBA may be messing this situation up but from where I sit they are dealing with a crappy situation especially given all the different stakeholders, including some of the other (star or not) players who may not agree with everything Kyrie believes but may still be sympathetic. Expecting them to do anything other than a very measured responses is simply expecting too much out of a complex situation.

That said if we have some folks here experienced in handling these sorts of situations for large global companies who can tell us what the league is doing wrong here, please share. Its certainly not something in which I have any expertise.
 

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View: https://twitter.com/NickFriedell/status/1588201205427208193
View: https://twitter.com/outsidethenba/status/1588203101349101569


JFC Kyrie, thats just as bad as if you made it!

what the fuck type of excuse is that

View: https://streamable.com/z4tz6o


He must've been feeling some real heat from Tsai, corporate sponsors, the league, etc. Social media has both intellectually and morally dumbed us down so much, pulling the tweet will basically be treated as tantamount to absolution, all better now, and this probably dies quickly. I doubt he faces any real consequences for posting that sewage in the first place. Unless he's crazy and stupid enough to keep doubling down on it in other ways going forward. Which is certainly not out of the question in his case.
which is what he just did lol....

dude needs help
 
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Van Everyman

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I cannot recall the last time Silver or Stern before him issued a press release effectively shading a star player (and imo, most NBA people consider Kyrie a star player even if folks here understandably fo not) for their personal views.

The NBA may be messing this situation up but from where I sit they are dealing with a crappy situation especially given all the different stakeholders, including some of the other (star or not) players who may not agree with everything Kyrie believes but may still be sympathetic. Expecting them to do anything other than a very measured responses is simply expecting too much out of a complex situation.

That said if we have some folks here experienced in handling these sorts of situations for large global companies who can tell us what the league is doing wrong here, please share. Its certainly not something in which I have any expertise.
I do have some experience in this space. I would say what Silver is doing is courageous and highly unusual. The standard and much safer route to take would have been to simply express their frustration behind closed doors to Kyrie. Which I’m sure they did as well before the joint statement was released. That they felt the need to proactively say the statement wasn’t enough suggests to me that 1) Those behind the scenes conversations were unproductive and 2) Longer term damage to the league was possible if the statement were allowed to stand unchallenged.

I would also think that the league didn’t want to be left implicitly supporting the statement once Kyrie was asked by the media why he didn’t apologize outright as it would suggest they don’t take antisemitism seriously. This as you have face the prospect of having protestors in the front row at every home game.

What feels like equally big news to me is that Silver is implicitly calling out the Nets here as well. I’m not sure what the relationship is between the league office and Joe Tsai but they can’t be happy about the team creating two headaches for the league at once by taking Udoka out of a team-imposed timeout that they may have to deal with themselves now.
 

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I do have some experience in this space. I would say what Silver is doing is courageous and highly unusual. The standard and much safer route to take would have been to simply express their frustration behind closed doors to Kyrie. Which I’m sure they did as well before the joint statement was released. That they felt the need to proactively say the statement wasn’t enough suggests to me that 1) Those behind the scenes conversations were unproductive and 2) Longer term damage to the league was possible if the statement were allowed to stand unchallenged.

I would also think that the league didn’t want to be left implicitly supporting the statement once Kyrie was asked by the media why he didn’t apologize outright as it would suggest they don’t take antisemitism seriously. This as you have face the prospect of having protestors in the front row at every home game.

What feels like equally big news to me is that Silver is implicitly calling out the Nets here as well. I’m not sure what the relationship is between the league office and Joe Tsai but they can’t be happy about the team creating two headaches for the league at once by taking Udoka out of a team-imposed timeout that they may have to deal with themselves now.
The commissioner being Jewish (not sure if he's practicing or not) probably played into the league's response here.
 

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It would be a hell of a lot more likely for a Gentile to consider Kyrie's shitty response as acceptable. I mean, Tsai, a Gentile, literally did.

Certainly, in an ideal world it wouldn't!
I don't think there is any evidence that anyone (Nets, media, the league, the general public, posters on this board, etc.) found his response acceptable. It has been pretty much universally condemned as unacceptable.