Kyrie is dirty rotten no good and we have schadenfreude…?

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Meh. Not to defend Kyrie, but leaving everything else behind, I'd definitely look better at someone who just refused the vaccine as opposed to someone who lied about it (and got another person to commit fraud to get them through it).
Oh yeah, faking it is way worse. But being an outspoken poor role model against vaccination for a disease that killed a million people in the US alone is a pretty shitty path too. It just doesn't look as bad now that our vax rates are high, treatments are vastly improved, and Omicron is less deadly.
 

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I wonder if anybody ended up dying of Covid after taking Kyrie Irving’s advice and not getting vaccinated.
 

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I heard Antonio Brown knows a guy.
... who was not a team doctor.

I get that we're playing around at Kyrie's expense here and that there's a perception that doctors who work for professional sports franchises are shills, particularly in a sport as violent as football. But I think that just assuming they'd be cool with faking things like vaccination status would put their license to practice medicine at risk. Perhaps some of our MDs could shed some additional light ...
 

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What team doctor would be willing to do this and what movie did you see him in?
Our team doctor in college kept administering something to me for my knee that was supposed to be a hard-stop after two weeks treatment due to its potency and all I did was yell at him. I’m sure plenty would be fine with an envelope as well.

My childhood dentist lost his practice for receiving patients. The majority of physicians surely are on the up and up but let’s not fool ourselvea into thinking a professional athlete cannot easily find someone to “help” him……*cough*, Gilbert Mudge. *cough*
 
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Our team doctor in college kept administering something to me for my knee that was supposed to be a hard-stop after two weeks treatment due to its potency and all I did was yell at him. I’m sure plenty would be fine with an envelope as well.

My childhood dentist lost his practice for receiving patients. The majority of physicians surely are on the up and up but let’s not fool ourselvea into thinking a professional athlete cannot easily find someone to “help” him……*cough*, Gilbert Mudge. *cough*
Right. All I’m saying is that there’s no evidence I know of or reason to think the Brooklyn team doctor would be *likely* to break the law for money. It’s just a lazy assumption that all team doctors are on the take or somehow “compromised.”

My understanding is that most of these guys are pretty well respected to reach this point in their careers – not simply motivated to keep these guys playing sports by any means necessary.
 

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Our team doctor in college kept administering something to me for my knee that was supposed to be a hard-stop after two weeks treatment due to its potency and all I did was yell at him. I’m sure plenty would be fine with an envelope as well.

My childhood dentist lost his practice for receiving patients. The majority of physicians surely are on the up and up but let’s not fool ourselvea into thinking a professional athlete cannot easily find someone to “help” him……*cough*, Gilbert Mudge. *cough*
The most shots I ever took in college was after I was given a medical treatment that accelerated my heart rate, made me feel less fatigued and gave me overwhelming feelings of well-being. I also really slept on the bus ride home after reading 100 pages in half an hour.
 

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Our team doctor in college kept administering something to me for my knee that was supposed to be a hard-stop after two weeks treatment due to its potency and all I did was yell at him. I’m sure plenty would be fine with an envelope as well.

My childhood dentist lost his practice for receiving patients. The majority of physicians surely are on the up and up but let’s not fool ourselvea into thinking a professional athlete cannot easily find someone to “help” him……*cough*, Gilbert Mudge. *cough*
Of course you can find a physician to fake something up for you, but you would have to look for them and assume that they just won’t give you the vaccine anyway rather then wasting some perfectly good sterile normal saline. There are deadbeats in every profession. This section of the website is named for one of them.

Do not mistake CYA language from drug companies for absolute medical rules. There are huge differences between what 20 year olds can tolerate and what 75 year olds can tolerate and drug companies always assume that you are in your seventies, have diabetes and renal failure. Physicians can cheerfully ignore that stuff if in their opinion it is warranted.

Which reminds me about one of my favorite conversations. After telling someone to double up on the OTC medication he had been taking for the last few days and continue it for a month, he said. “It says that you can only take it for three days.”
“Take out the bottle and read the whole warning”
“Do not use for more then three days…without consulting your physician…”
 

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It's really worth the full read. A complete shredding
We might have just left him alone to stew in his own gelatinous ignorance. Rich and famous people get away with saying dumb things all the time because their money isolates them from consequences. They surround themselves with Yes-people whose job is to confirm whatever hare-brained ideas they have. Yes, sir, Mr. Irving, the Earth has never been flatter.
But now Irving is back and more destructive, insensitive, and just plain silly than before.

He decided it would be a good idea to post a 2002 video clip from Infowars founder Alex Jones.
 

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Wow, that was a well done takedown.
As much as I hated Kareem when he played, he has been a great moral compass in his post-playing days. More so than almost any ex-athlete I can think of in any sport. And boy did I hate him in a Laker uniform. Anyway, well done. Roger Victor.
 

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I'm really glad Kyrie left Boston. If he were on my team and did this Alex Jones stuff, I'd want him cut. The vax stuff is pernicious, but retweeting Alex Jones--especially in the middle of the trial that has made so apparent who his is-- is barely one step from saying "Hitler had good ideas, he just went too far."
 

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If you follow Kyrie on twitter, you see how regularly and obviously comes out with his faux deep rhetoric about a variety of topics, mostly in an attempt to show how he is somehow above the fray.

It's a wonder that someone around him hasn't gently convinced that he is not reaching his audience or whatever else they might say to prevent him from so clearly revealing what a nitwit he is.

William Hurt's response to Jeff Goldblum at about 58 seconds of this clip is what I wish I could say to Kyrie in person; "You're so...deeeeep."

And way to go Kareem Puff. Like others, I hated you as a Laker. I don't exactly like you now but it's good that you say good things!

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Who knew Kareem would turn out to be one of the good guys?
Kareem is what outspoken players from a past
era looked like - and Kyrie - he's the modern
equivalent:(
The only thing looking inaccurate about Idiocracy nowadays is the time frame. I don't think we're going to need 500 years to get there...
 
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Kyrie's real life bullshit and faux deep pronouncements are so hilarious and brain dead that there's really almost no need for parody. He's the very definition of self-parody.
 

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I went back and revisited Kyrie’s comments on and explanation for his flat Earth statements when he joined the Celtics.

In context and with the benefit of hindsight, they are way worse than I had realized at the time.
 

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The full article provides some interesting context.

For the 2022-23 campaign, billionaire Joe Tsai’s money-losing franchise had sold roughly 5,500 season tickets at the 17,732-seat Barclays Center, according to an NBA owner and an insider who both saw a recent confidential league report.

That’s well below last year’s total — which insiders estimated between 8,000 and 9,000 — and lands the Nets in last place among the NBA’s 30 teams, according to league insiders.

The Nets declined comment. A source close to the team didn’t dispute the league-worst season ticket figures but said the club relies less on those sales to fill the Barclays Center than team’s in other markets.

The Nets’ revenue from the 2022-23 season ticket sales ranks in the middle of the pack because Brooklyn charges more than smaller-market teams, an NBA team owner told The Post.

“They do not focus on season tickets as much as others because they believe they can make more on same-day tickets,” another source said.​

Basically, this is a concerted effort by the Nets to drive away season ticket holders and bring more inventory to single-game sales.

Obviously Tsai was probably expecting a deep playoff run and a finals contender when he hatched the plan, presumably last winter. Inviting some ticket holders back at a discount was tacit admission of that plan’s failure. Tsai probably not wishes he could have locked in more fans, even at a lower price.

For what it’s worth, the Celtics did not increase my price, but most fans reported some sort of increase last year. Pricing is opaque and based on tenure and other factors.

View: https://twitter.com/nypost_lewis/status/1584585525486571521
 

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Well he's right but also wrong to have done this like this.
Far be it for me to defend that POS, but Simmons being told in the moment that he should have shot seems OK to me. It's actually more constructive than telling later, when it's more conceptual.

I will now shower for 37 minutes, in very hot water.
 

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Far be it for me to defend that POS, but Simmons being told in the moment that he should have shot seems OK to me. It's actually more constructive than telling later, when it's more conceptual.

I will now shower for 37 minutes, in very hot water.
Yeah, that’s incredibly common when playing hoops. Was less demonstrative than that infamous LeBron/JR Smith moment in the finals.
 

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Far be it for me to defend that POS, but Simmons being told in the moment that he should have shot seems OK to me. It's actually more constructive than telling later, when it's more conceptual.

I will now shower for 37 minutes, in very hot water.
Maybe. Or maybe it will push the kid back into a bubble. If Kyrie is the guy giving advice to someone struggling with some mental aspects of being a pro basketball player, the battle is already lost.

Turning Ben into a meme again is not productive, imo.
 

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Maybe. Or maybe it will push the kid back into a bubble. If Kyrie is the guy giving advice to someone struggling with some mental aspects of being a pro basketball player, the battle is already lost.

Turning Ben into a meme again is not productive, imo.
I hear what you're saying. On the other hand, if Ben can't take this sort of feedback on the court, he's already in a world of trouble. I mean, you hear worse stuff on a pick-up court. The only way to get over his confidence issues or whatever they are is for Ben to actually face them, and he's gonna hear a lot worse out there than his teammate telling him to shoot it.

Now, I guess we already knew he was in a world of trouble, but I think the point stands.
 

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Maybe. Or maybe it will push the kid back into a bubble. If Kyrie is the guy giving advice to someone struggling with some mental aspects of being a pro basketball player, the battle is already lost.

Turning Ben into a meme again is not productive, imo.
I disagree, but see your point, and in the end hope that Kyrie has made another mistake that will allow many to see him for what he is and mock him as he deserves! Whether this instance deserves that or not! More Kyrie mockery, more better!
 

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Maybe you guys are right and what Ben needs is some tough love. Kyrie is in that locker room. Just seems from the distance that rebuilding his confidence is important for them. I guess we'll see.
 

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We've all played pick-up with a reluctant shooter, and we've all yelled at that person to shoot when they are wide open. The difference is this is an obviously sensitive issue due to Simmons unique challenges as a teammate, so there is a bigger focus on it.

On the Lowe Post, Zach was talking about how Kyrie said "Fouling out is not an option" after a game when Simmons fouled out, and was basically like "Hey man, at least he PLAYED in the game, that's exceeding expectations already."
 

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SSS and all, but Simmons is averaging more assists per game (7.5) than FGA/game (5.0). I would have to imagine that that is extremely rare. No one else on either the Nets or Celts holds that distinction. In the top-50 APG leaders, Chris Paul is the only other player who can say the same at 10.3 vs 9.5.
 

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Maybe you guys are right and what Ben needs is some tough love. Kyrie is in that locker room. Just seems from the distance that rebuilding his confidence is important for them. I guess we'll see.
I was imprecise, maybe. I wouldn't say he needs tough love. And I'd add that Kyrie and KD, who are also incredibly thin-skinned and hypocritical, are exactly the wrong kind of teammates for a guy like Ben at this time.

But that's out of Ben's control at this juncture. I'm saying he can't avoid the pressure. It's a sport, played in front of millions of people who don't give two shits about his self-esteem. He's got to master that stuff himself. There's no way around it. That's what I mean when I say the way is through for him. I don't know if he'll get over the hump, in fact, I'd bet against him doing so.
 

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I was imprecise, maybe. I wouldn't say he needs tough love. And I'd add that Kyrie and KD, who are also incredibly thin-skinned and hypocritical, are exactly the wrong kind of teammates for a guy like Ben at this time.

But that's out of Ben's control at this juncture. I'm saying he can't avoid the pressure. It's a sport, played in front of millions of people who don't give two shits about his self-esteem. He's got to master that stuff himself. There's no way around it. That's what I mean when I say the way is through for him.
That's fair.

Apologies for the long-distance amateur psychology. I'm kind of pulling for the kid, because mental stuff is hard and generally beyond your control. For his sake, I'd love him to sort out his shit. This event seems like a bad omen to me, that's all.
 

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That's fair.

Apologies for the long-distance amateur psychology. I'm kind of pulling for the kid, because mental stuff is hard and generally beyond your control. For his sake, I'd love him to sort out his shit. This event seems like a bad omen to me, that's all.
I'm 100% on the same page. I don't think you need to apologize for anything. One of the things we underestimate about public figures is how crushing the humiliation of failing in front of millions can be. Not to get to moralistic, but the people who should be apologizing are those who seek to profit off humiliating these people.

Unfortunately, as many of us can attest to from looking at the wreckage of our own lives, it sometimes takes decades to overcome our neuroses, phobias, compulsions, et cetera. Here's hoping all the resources he has at his disposal can be brought to bear.
 

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It does seem like some people are amused by Simmons' struggles. To me it looks awful and I want to see him redeem his career however maybe I missed something that makes rooting against him easy. Its not entertaining or fun from where I sit.

No need for anyone to justify their position here - Simmons isn't likely to go broke so he can only get so much pity. Its just painful.
 

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It does seem like some people are amused by Simmons' struggles. To me it looks awful and I want to see him redeem his career however maybe I missed something that makes rooting against him easy. Its not entertaining or fun from where I sit.

No need for anyone to justify their position here - Simmons isn't likely to go broke so he can only get so much pity. Its just painful.
I think most of it is who he’s played for, with the 76ers and Nets being conference rivals and repeat playoff opponents. If he was going through the same thing for Denver or Utah or Portland, there would be less reveling in it on here, while if he was on the Heat or Lakers, it would be the same or worse. (I’d even add that the 76ers tanking so prominently to acquire him also feeds into the schadenfreude, like they went through all that and this is what they got out of it? Ditto to the Brooklyn super team now having to rely on him after Kyrie drove Harden away.)

Look at Fultz, who was a target of similar smirking when he was going through his issues with Philly, but once he would up in Orlando, that was about the end of it as a narrative on here.

There may be some amount of ire based on Simmons’ celebrity relationships, but again if he was in New Orleans or Charlotte, I don’t think people would draw much satisfaction from his struggles.
 

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I think most of it is who he’s played for, with the 76ers and Nets being conference rivals and repeat playoff opponents. If he was going through the same thing for Denver or Utah or Portland, there would be less reveling in it on here, while if he was on the Heat or Lakers, it would be the same or worse. (I’d even add that the 76ers tanking so prominently to acquire him also feeds into the schadenfreude, like they went through all that and this is what they got out of it? Ditto to the Brooklyn super team now having to rely on him after Kyrie drove Harden away.)

Look at Fultz, who was a target of similar smirking when he was going through his issues with Philly, but once he would up in Orlando, that was about the end of it as a narrative on here.

There may be some amount of ire based on Simmons’ celebrity relationships, but again if he was in New Orleans or Charlotte, I don’t think people would draw much satisfaction from his struggles.
I'm sure that there's a good amount of truth in this.

To me, I think that his struggles are similar to the confusing cognitive dissonance that we often have with guys who have the yips.

For example, I was glad that Chuck Knoblauch struggled throwing to first base for the Yankees because it was the Yankees and he seemed like a hardo dbag on top of it. But I also felt a little bad for the guy. Also felt terrible for Ankiel, but also intrigued. The weird titillation that one gets from an elite athlete, like the 1% of the 1%, not being able to execute the simplest of maneuvers is really just our brain trying to process how the fuck this is possible. Like when you have a friend that just can't pronounce a certain word the right way, but they don't otherwise have an issue with any other words or an impediment of any kind. It's confusing and weirdly exciting in the way that our brain is so complicated but how is this possible, etc. I'm not sure that there's much more to it that that in general.
 

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I'm sure that there's a good amount of truth in this.

To me, I think that his struggles are similar to the confusing cognitive dissonance that we often have with guys who have the yips.

For example, I was glad that Chuck Knoblauch struggled throwing to first base for the Yankees because it was the Yankees and he seemed like a hardo dbag on top of it. But I also felt a little bad for the guy. And the weird titillation that one gets from an elite athlete, like the 1% of the 1%, not being able to execute the simplest of maneuvers is really just our brain trying to process how the fuck this is possible. Like when you have a friend that just can't pronounce a certain word the right way, but they don't otherwise have an issue with any other words or an impediment of any kind. It's confusing and weirdly exciting in the way that our brain is so complicated but how is this possible, etc. I'm not sure that there's much more to it that that in general.
There's resentment, too. People who are bitter about their own lot in life often enjoy watching people much richer and well-off fail, especially when those people are being paid to play a game.
 

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Kyries addressed the Simmons stuff after the game. Irving is such a shit head that it’s easy to forget how mature and solid he can sound sometimes; I was struck by how realistic he was and maybe it was a weak statement, but I came around to the idea that anything like praise, Simmons would it was just smoke being blown up his ass, and this comes off as more realistically supportive.

Yahoo!: Kyrie Irving defends Ben Simmons, says media needs to give him ‘a chance’
After the game, when asked about Simmons, Irving asked for the media to “give him a [expletive] chance.”

“If we’re going to come in an be honest as a team, I’m not trying to just be critical over what Ben’s done right or done wrong every single night. He’s a basketball player, he’s a professional. He has the skills to be a great professional, he’s done it in the past, and he hasn’t played in two years.”

Irving went on to say that the Nets will continue to stay positive and help Simmons develop.
View: https://twitter.com/SNYNets/status/1585476285219962881


Of course, in keeping with what @Fishy1 has been saying, Simmons is gonna be getting it given to him by other teams, fersure. Already is:

SB Nation: Ben Simmons was yelled at to shoot by his teammates, and got told he’s ‘too small’ by Giannis Antetokounmpo
Simmons was one of the league’s best defensive players not long ago in Philadelphia, but he is no match for Giannis Antetokounmpo right now. Simmons and Giannis have had a low-key but long-simmering beef that includes the time Antetokounmpo called him “a f——— baby” after a bucket. Now we have a new moment: Giannis telling Simmons he’s too small after a late bucket in a big win.
View: https://twitter.com/NBATV/status/1585454056675287040

The still photo is even better:
 

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I had no idea Simmons and Giannis had a beef.
I don't know if they do specifically, but I do remember Giannis always having an extra bounce in his step when he plays against Simmons. Some decent back and forth a few years ago:

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iPdA7AZHvkQ


I think most of it is who he’s played for, with the 76ers and Nets being conference rivals and repeat playoff opponents. If he was going through the same thing for Denver or Utah or Portland, there would be less reveling in it on here, while if he was on the Heat or Lakers, it would be the same or worse. (I’d even add that the 76ers tanking so prominently to acquire him also feeds into the schadenfreude, like they went through all that and this is what they got out of it? Ditto to the Brooklyn super team now having to rely on him after Kyrie drove Harden away.)

Look at Fultz, who was a target of similar smirking when he was going through his issues with Philly, but once he would up in Orlando, that was about the end of it as a narrative on here.

There may be some amount of ire based on Simmons’ celebrity relationships, but again if he was in New Orleans or Charlotte, I don’t think people would draw much satisfaction from his struggles.
This is absolutely right. Simmons struggling in Brooklyn and Philly directly impacts the Celtics (positively), so it's pretty natural to root for it. Add in the way that those teams were built (as opposed to the Knicks or Raptors), and it's extra fun seeing them fail to make deep playoff runs. I'll root for Simmons to succeed professionally the minute his success has less of a negative impact on the Celtics.
 

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Yes. Good point. Definitely some of that too.
Actually, think there is relatively little of that. When I think of other guys in sports who developed yips, I am hard pressed to come up examples of fans in general (as opposed to fans of the team's archrival) reveling in their failure. The discourse has been some mix of disbelief, sadness and impulse to avert one's eyes.

Part of sports fandom is rooting for guys/teams and some of it is rooting against others. Simmons has been a divisive player for much of his career given his skill set. But that was for the most part just a basketball discussion. The antipathy that currently exists relative to Simmons stems from 1) his trade demand, followed by the hold out, the hold in, the away from the team for medical reasons coupled with 2) his unwillingness or inability to speak authentically about his struggles and limitations. Not to say that #2 is required, but it makes it a lot harder to get past #1.

There is similar dynamic with Russ. A lot of what makes Russ the object of scorn and ridicule is his incredible lack of self awareness (see exit interview) combined with his b.s (I hurt my back from sitting on the bench so long; I hurt my hamstring because I do not know how to prepare my body if I am not starting).
 

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One of the things I love about Giannis is that the players he seems to most relish "big-boying" are guys his size or bigger, like Simmons, Embiid, and Ayton.