Mariners vs. Astros ALDS Thread

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Too bad they have a day off to dwell on it. Hopefully they are young enough to bounce back and get after it on Thursday.
 

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Watching Judge all the time, I find Alvarez significantly scarier. Their batted ball profiles are pretty similar and they have similar plate discipline, but Alvarez makes meaningfully more contact & strikes out significantly less often. Plus of course he's David Ortiz.
 

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I say this every year. Teams spend a whole year piecing together wins with their normal bullpen and then throw that all in the garbage by putting random starters in random late inning positions that they aren't prepared for. It's insane to me. Robbie Ray closing games is bananas.
Alex Cora did it with great success in the 2018 post-season. But I thought, like almost everyone else, that Robbie Ray was going to give up the game. I thought it would be a home run, and it was.
 

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Alex Cora did it with great success in the 2018 post-season. But I thought, like almost everyone else, that Robbie Ray was going to give up the game. I thought it would be a home run, and it was.
I can’t remember Cora setting up a guy to fail like that in 18. Did anyone really expect anything other than what happened?
 

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The Munoz inning. The send home of France. Sewald twice not being able to finish off batters with two strikes on them. You can't give the best team in the league that many openings and expect to hold them off.
 

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Servais didn't have any good options once Alvarez came up again. Ultimately Gilbert didn't give them quite enough length, Munoz let 6 batters come up in his inning, etc.

Sewald is looking kinda toasty, has he been overworked?

View: https://twitter.com/foolishbb/status/1579975449828294658
I mean shouldn't it be like 100% since ya know, they won on the AB? After he hit there it is 100% probability they are going to win. 'Carter and Gibson had much higher lev situations.
 

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I love watching managers blow October games by overmanaging. Seems like it happens over and over again.
I don’t envy the decisions they have to make. You have to balance staying consistent with what you’ve done all season but also recognizing that playoff games sometimes require you to ask more of players (starters on 3 days rest, pitching three days in a row).
 

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Win Probability Added. They were at 9%, he put them at 100%.
I see. Thank you a lot.

i just cant get over how this was greater than Joe Carter’s, who was also down 2. While one won g1 ds and the other won the ws. I guess the count and outs affect the probability.
 

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Servais didn't have any good options once Alvarez came up again. Ultimately Gilbert didn't give them quite enough length, Munoz let 6 batters come up in his inning, etc.

Sewald is looking kinda toasty, has he been overworked?

View: https://twitter.com/foolishbb/status/1579975449828294658
Sure he did. IBB him and go after the next guy. It was a three-run HR, so there was a base open. By creating a force at every base, you force the next batter to hit it in the air to drive in a run. It puts more pressure on the pitcher, sure, but this is the reigning AL Cy Young winner and he should be able (yes, he should also be able to get out Álvarez). I know the next guy was Bregman, but he's not the same threat anymore AND he's hitting .182 career off Ray.

Servais is a dumb manager who probably just cost his team a chance at a pennant.
 

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Sure he did. IBB him and go after the next guy. It was a three-run HR, so there was a base open. By creating a force at every base, you force the next batter to hit it in the air to drive in a run. It puts more pressure on the pitcher, sure, but this is the reigning AL Cy Young winner and he should be able. I know the next guy was Bregman, but he's not the same threat anymore AND he's hitting .182 career off Ray.

Servais is a dumb manager who probably just cost his team a chance at a pennant.
I think he had better options but a base wasn't open and IBB Yordan puts the tying run on 2nd base, and it was Pena who is speedy. Tony Larussa is the only manager alive who would do that.
 

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I think he had better options but a base wasn't open and IBB Yordan puts the tying run on 2nd base, and it was Pena who is speedy. Tony Larussa is the only manager alive who would do that.
If it was a three-run homerun, by definition there is a base open. It may not be FIRST base, but it's A base. You can't worry about the potential tying run; you go after the guy(s) who gives you the best chance of getting the final out(s).
 

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If it was a three-run homerun, by definition there is a base open. It may not be FIRST base, but it's A base. You can't worry about the potential tying run; you go after the guy(s) who gives you the best chance of getting the final out(s).
If I'm not mistaken, the mantra goes "never intentionally put the winning run on base." I'm not saying it bears out in a study, but that is an old time baseball adage. You do occasionally see it violated, though.

I also agree with earlier posters that Manny/KRod was probably as much of a rocket as Alvarez's, and it scores "majestic" points with its trajectory, but this thing went into the upper deck about as fast as I could ever imagine a ball getting that far. It was just under 117mph for exit velocity, and while that does not crack the top 10 for the season it is close, and given the situation just....wow.
 

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Maybe it was the right move or maybe there was no right move. The Astros are clearly never going to get the karma they deserve (I don't count the fines and what not: true karma would be enduring the type of season Boston just had, maybe worse) and I fucking hate that entire franchise for life now even though they're my pick to win it all. I just want to be wrong and I just want managers to stop playing right into their hands.
 

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I'm not saying he did. I was responding to a post complaining about using starters as relief pitchers in the post-season. That's all.
Oh, I wasn’t disagreeing with you. Just pointing out that using Ray had disaster written all over it. Sorry for the misunderstanding.
 

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To me the big mistake was just Ray going right at him, there is a base open as was said, so why would you groove both of the first two pitches? Tucker is very good behind him too, but at least try to make him chase some.
 

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To me the big mistake was just Ray going right at him, there is a base open as was said, so why would you groove both of the first two pitches? Tucker is very good behind him too, but at least try to make him chase some.
Particularly when it was clear he was on the first pitch. Really took all the wind out of what had been a fun start to the postseason for those fans hoping for someone other than the usual suspects to advance
 

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To me the big mistake was just Ray going right at him, there is a base open as was said, so why would you groove both of the first two pitches? Tucker is very good behind him too, but at least try to make him chase some.
Was listening on the radio and when I heard “94 fouled straight back.” that told me everything I needed to know.
 

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Sure he did. IBB him and go after the next guy. It was a three-run HR, so there was a base open. By creating a force at every base, you force the next batter to hit it in the air to drive in a run. It puts more pressure on the pitcher, sure, but this is the reigning AL Cy Young winner and he should be able (yes, he should also be able to get out Álvarez). I know the next guy was Bregman, but he's not the same threat anymore AND he's hitting .182 career off Ray.

Servais is a dumb manager who probably just cost his team a chance at a pennant.
There were 2 outs and runners on 1st and 2nd and Bregman was really good this year, an intentional walk would have been insane.
 

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There were 2 outs and runners on 1st and 2nd and Bregman was really good this year, an intentional walk would have been insane.
Tucker, not Bregman. I don’t think insane but not the move either.
 

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Maybe it was the right move or maybe there was no right move. The Astros are clearly never going to get the karma they deserve (I don't count the fines and what not: true karma would be enduring the type of season Boston just had, maybe worse) and I fucking hate that entire franchise for life now even though they're my pick to win it all. I just want to be wrong and I just want managers to stop playing right into their hands.
Unless the manager's name is Aaron Boone.
 

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Tucker, not Bregman. I don’t think insane but not the move either.
Bregman was on deck, Tucker was behind him. Voluntarily putting the tying run in scoring position and the winning run on base with either of them coming up is insane though, they're both really good hitters.
 

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Going after Alvarez with sinkers was the problem.
Yep. Got this from an Astros fan, former co-worker a couple of hours ago:

"He's had more trouble with high fastballs this season. Immediately after Ray's first pitch, I said "We have a chance" to myself."

I don't know if that opinion is backed up by the stats, but this guy has watched every Astros game this year.
 

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Look at this bat toss. Yordan is so awesome.


I think I've reached the point with people whining about the Astros cheating that I'm rooting for them because the whining is worse than some idiot smacking a trash can with a bat.
 

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I think I've reached the point with people whining about the Astros cheating that I'm rooting for them because the whining is worse than some idiot smacking a trash can with a bat.
I'm kind of with you, though I am rooting for the Mariners in this series. I mean, Dave O'Brien, of all people, brought it up on the ESPN broadcast yesterday and talked about it at length, without once mentioning the Red Sox or Yankees.

Of course, I'm at the point in my life where I have become more of a baseball fan than a Red Sox fan, so it's easy for me to say, "Just enjoy the awesome players we have in the league today". There is so much awesome going on in the league RIGHT NOW, but a lot of people can't get over the past enough to enjoy it.
 

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Look at this bat toss. Yordan is so awesome.


I think I've reached the point with people whining about the Astros cheating that I'm rooting for them because the whining is worse than some idiot smacking a trash can with a bat.
It took a lot of those fans a second or two to figure out that was leaving the yard. I'm sure the sound alone was enough, and don't get into the fact that light travels so much faster than sound. Irrevalent in a small distance like that.
 

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There were 2 outs and runners on 1st and 2nd and Bregman was really good this year, an intentional walk would have been insane.
Again, career .182 hitter against Ray, who is better against RHH. Álvarez, in fewer ABs, was .600 lifetime. If you're going to go by the numbers, a sub-.200 hitter against the pitcher on the mound is the guy to go after, not the guy who was much more likely to get a hit.
 

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I'm kind of with you, though I am rooting for the Mariners in this series. I mean, Dave O'Brien, of all people, brought it up on the ESPN broadcast yesterday and talked about it at length, without once mentioning the Red Sox or Yankees.

Of course, I'm at the point in my life where I have become more of a baseball fan than a Red Sox fan, so it's easy for me to say, "Just enjoy the awesome players we have in the league today". There is so much awesome going on in the league RIGHT NOW, but a lot of people can't get over the past enough to enjoy it.
This is pretty much where I am o this. I'm rooting for the Mariners because, once the Red Sox are eliminated, I root for the team in a series that has had the least postseason success. Plus, since moving to the PNW a century ago, it's hard not to have the M's as a secondary favorite.

The cheating crap was five years ago, and should have no relevance on today. I would, though, like to see a Venn Diagram of those who "hate" the Astros because of the cheating and those who get upset whenever the Patriots past controversies get dredged up in the media
 

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The cheating crap was five years ago, and should have no relevance on today. I would, though, like to see a Venn Diagram of those who "hate" the Astros because of the cheating and those who get upset whenever the Patriots past controversies get dredged up in the media
1/3 of the Astros lineup yesterday was on that cheating team. It's not like people are talking about Mike Scott scuffing the ball. If it bothers them to be thought of as cheaters, then they shouldn't have cheated. It's better to just accept it and be the villains - every sport needs some.
 

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The cheating crap was five years ago, and should have no relevance on today. I would, though, like to see a Venn Diagram of those who "hate" the Astros because of the cheating and those who get upset whenever the Patriots past controversies get dredged up in the media
If there's an expiration date on caring about cheating, is there one on demonstrable racism by a player on national television? I am surely in the minority here but I'd rather see Aaron Judge hoist a big trophy than Yuli Gurriel.