Ime Udoka suspended for the 22-23 season

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It may just be me but It’s pretty clear what’s happening. The Celtics want him gone but they can’t come to an agreement. So they release this to hopefully appease the masses while they work on a settlement that they realize will take longer than expected. They probably wanted to finalize this all today, which was the cause for the delay but just couldn’t do it. Maybe I am wrong but just trying to read the situation as it’s been presented.
 

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47 words.

It doesn't even say anything.

And for a year suspension?

Later date?

Great, we'll all be on pins and needles.

This just magnifies the distraction. Take the bandaid off.
 

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Interesting that the release specifies "violations" (plus) and not "for violating team policies" or a "violation of team policies."

I don't see how Ime ever coaches the C's again.
Well, maybe each interaction is a separate violation as is common in legal contexts. Can’t really parse much from that statement, purposefully so.
 

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@riboflav is right though. If that’s what the players take away from all this it’s bad news.
I'm assuming most players will think he got screwed (pun intended)

Most of them probably think he banged a hot woman and got fired because of it. They probably don't see the internal issues it causes and the violations.

As stated above this is a league that's probably running rampant with grown men having affairs without issue or recourse, so they think Ime would get the same treatment
 

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If that's the attitude in the locker room then they're in a boatload of hot water.
 

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If they give no further official information, then there’s nothing to do but speculate. If the Celts think this is story is going to die down, I think they are really mistaken. This has really been a mess in terms of organizational messaging. And it’s a bummer all around for the players. I really hope the response would have been the same regardless of race, but there are so many subconscious biases who knows.
 

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In this day and age, I wonder if the right move is to just lay out what happened. I know the thought is to protect the victims(if that is even the case since we HAVE NO CLUE WHY), and in an ideal world this is true, nothing would ever get leaked out. However, this will get out, in pieces, among a large pile of speculation and lies, and usually never fully tied together. Because people are generally shitty online, female employees will be harassed when just one random Reddit poster says something about a cousin's friend's sister's hairdresser knows for a fact it was X person, and they are blackmailing him. I hate I'm saying this, but the internet is just too shitty of a place, and if there is enough to warrant this kind of suspension, it's enough info to be at least more forthcoming about what happened to
 

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Isnt this what it is ?
Thats what i heard. possibly another profile wife as well
huh? What did you hear? Who did you hear it from?
If they give no further official information, then there’s nothing to do but speculate. If the Celts think this is story is going to die down, I think they are really mistaken. This has really been a mess in terms of organizational messaging. And it’s a bummer all around for the players. I really hope the response would have been the same regardless of race, but there are so many subconscious biases who knows.
There will be more info. The Celtics know what is going on with speculation. There isn’t a playbook for every case like this. I am sure they are talking to legal experts and others about how to say more without violating anyone’s privacy
 

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so this just happhed because he messed with someone inside the cetles org so like if he messed with a nurse that would be ok for the record if i was married i would not do this but i think he was married

i get the supison but u know teams like the lakersers plob all have orgies with their staff that showtime book brag on it

i guess i am just behind times
 

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In this day and age, I wonder if the right move is to just lay out what happened. I know the thought is to protect the victims(if that is even the case since we HAVE NO CLUE WHY), and in an ideal world this is true, nothing would ever get leaked out. However, this will get out, in pieces, among a large pile of speculation and lies, and usually never fully tied together. Because people are generally shitty online, female employees will be harassed when just one random Reddit poster says something about a cousin's friend's sister's hairdresser knows for a fact it was X person, and they are blackmailing him. I hate I'm saying this, but the internet is just too shitty of a place, and if there is enough to warrant this kind of suspension, it's enough info to be at least more forthcoming about what happened to
Well it’s also a personnel matter in which if they say too much or the slightest incorrect thing they open themselves up to litigation.
 

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If they give no further official information, then there’s nothing to do but speculate. If the Celts think this is story is going to die down, I think they are really mistaken. This has really been a mess in terms of organizational messaging. And it’s a bummer all around for the players. I really hope the response would have been the same regardless of race, but there are so many subconscious biases who knows.
What other official information could they give to quell speculation?

Do people expect them to say who he was fucking?

That's not how this works. That's not how anything works.
 

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He, or more accurately his agent, is negotiating a settlement. Fighting it now would be dumb. And it is certainly for something egregious given the severity of the penalty; it's not a one time tryst.
Oh sure, which suggests the punishment is probably not the bullshit Al’s sister or whomever else things it is.
 

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In this day and age, I wonder if the right move is to just lay out what happened. I know the thought is to protect the victims(if that is even the case since we HAVE NO CLUE WHY), and in an ideal world this is true, nothing would ever get leaked out. However, this will get out, in pieces, among a large pile of speculation and lies, and usually never fully tied together. Because people are generally shitty online, female employees will be harassed when just one random Reddit poster says something about a cousin's friend's sister's hairdresser knows for a fact it was X person, and they are blackmailing him. I hate I'm saying this, but the internet is just too shitty of a place, and if there is enough to warrant this kind of suspension, it's enough info to be at least more forthcoming about what happened to
That's obviously not the right move, in any day and any age.
 

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The public doesn’t have to know the details. Literally the only person’s opinion on all this that matters is Jayson Tatum’s. As long as he’s on board, then it’s all good. If not, they’re going to have to rebuild from scratch again when he forces his way out in a year or two.
 

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The public doesn’t have to know the details. Literally the only person’s opinion on all this that matters is Jayson Tatum’s. As long as he’s on board, then it’s all good. If not, they’re going to have to rebuild from scratch again when he forces his way out in a year or two.
No, I think we're going to need more details than we have right now. Anna may be totally wrong, or she could be closer to the truth: we just don't know yet.

It will come out, but we certainly should demand more information.
 

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The public doesn’t have to know the details. Literally the only person’s opinion on all this that matters is Jayson Tatum’s. As long as he’s on board, then it’s all good. If not, they’re going to have to rebuild from scratch again when he forces his way out in a year or two.
It’s has been reported that Mazzulla is Tatum’s guy and said this in June about him.

View: https://twitter.com/ncoitabc6/status/1537417079288123392?s=46&t=XmoszF1_wML8Tt1dFYPDyw
 

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No, I think we're going to need more details than we have right now. Anna may be totally wrong, or she could be closer to the truth: we just don't know yet.

It will come out, but we certainly should demand more information.
Guarantee she has information we don't.
 

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Okay, it's bad news if the players take the sacking of Ime negatively. So what's the alternative? This is kind of uncharted waters for an NBA franchise, at least in the modern era. Do they ignore their rules, or spin the Roger Goodell wheel of justice for some arbitrary suspension length?

I think they've rightly assessed that this transgression can't easily be forgiven and forgotten from a workplace standpoint, and put a year on the punishment for the time being with the intention of settling the remainder of Ime's contract.

Ime could very well coach elsewhere and still have a good career, it is just that this bridge is burned.
 

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What other official information could they give to quell speculation?

Do people expect them to say who he was fucking?

That's not how this works. That's not how anything works.
No one needs names, but the media is going to chew this to death. If it’s a consensual, but inappropriate, sexual issue as leaked, then there are ways to confirm that and tamper the speculation to some extent (e.g. “inappropriate relationship”) which will ease the transition and enable the team to put this behind them more quickly.
 

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Well it’s also a personnel matter in which if they say too much or the slightest incorrect thing they open themselves up to litigation.
Oh 100%. I don't know what the right answer is to be honest. However, due to Ime's statement, it sounds like he may have admitted to what happened. If that is indeed the case, I think putting at least an overview of why he's suspended would save some people pain. Then again, people will still dig, maybe just fewer people getting unfairly crapped on
 

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I think going to Mazzula here is a mistake. This is an extremely ugly situation and is going to be a media shit storm. This would be hard enough for him as just a regular first time coach but I think there aren’t many scenarios where he’s able to navigate this well. It’s an incredibly large ask of someone.
 

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I think going to Mazzula here is a mistake. This is an extremely ugly situation and is going to be a media shit storm. This would be hard enough for him under as just a regular first time coach but I think there aren’t many scenarios where he’s able to navigate this well. It’s an incredibly large ask of someone.
He’s interim; could be coach for a year or a day. Who knows what happens.
 

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I think going to Mazzula here is a mistake. This is an extremely ugly situation and is going to be a media shit storm. This would be hard enough for him under as just a regular first time coach but I think there aren’t many scenarios where he’s able to navigate this well. It’s an incredibly large ask of someone.
Who would you suggest? Going outside the organization with someone they don't know well (and doesn't know them well) with a week to go before camp??? Should they do an international search over the next week?
 

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Who would you suggest? Going outside the organization with someone they don't know well (and doesn't know them well) with a week to go before camp??? Should they do an international search over the next week?
I think you have to find an experienced coach and try to turn this page. Their window may be so short and it’s taking a major hit here. As an interim you value the continuity but I think a Snyder or some other decently successful former coach at least stands a chance at keeping this to the side.
 

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No one needs names, but the media is going to chew this to death. If it’s a consensual, but inappropriate, sexual issue as leaked, then there are ways to confirm that and tamper the speculation to some extent (e.g. “inappropriate relationship”) which will ease the transition and enable the team to put this behind them more quickly.
That's just not going to happen and not how this stuff works.

You already have Woj report that it's "a consensual relationship with a female staff member "
You already have Shams report that it's "an improper intimate and consensual relationship with a female member of the team staff"

Those guys rarely get their reporting wrong.

I think it would be irresponsible for the Celtics to confirm or deny any specific details on the record, because then you have to do it for any crackpot media theory that comes down the pike.

The only level more than the reporting we already have is the names you agree no one needs.
 

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Who would you suggest? Going outside the organization with someone they don't know well (and doesn't know them well) with a week to go before camp??? Should they do an international search over the next week?
They’ll need some reinforcements at least. The Vogel idea sounds like a good one. Maybe Brad does a bit more unofficially, or Mazzulla has a few other experienced guys in his network he can convince to join the staff.
 

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I think you have to find an experienced coach and try to turn this page. Their window may be so short and it’s taking a major hit here. As an interim you value the continuity but I think a Snyder or some other decently successful former coach at least stands a chance at keeping this to the side.
Maybe you find an experienced ex-head coach like Vogel to stick on the bench and help guide Mazzula as was speculated earlier, but no way you can bring in someone brand new to the organization a week before camp starts. Mazzula knows the system and has a rapport with the players. That’s all you can ask for at this point.