Kyrie is dirty rotten no good and we have schadenfreude…?

kazuneko said:

This is probably the worst column I've ever read. What a total moron...

Just cringeworthy:
"In one breath Kareem is claiming current NBA players don't grasp the seriousness of the situation, and in the next breath he's arguing that Irving has a duty to live up to the responsibilities of celebrity. Is Kareem serious? Is he a serious person? Kareem is allegedly a Muslim. Arguing for the responsibilities of celebrity is the promotion of idolatry. Islam strictly prohibits idolatry. It's called shirk. As a Muslim or a serious person, Kareem should realize Irving's only duty is to serve God, not celebrity, not the government, not the desires of a 74-year-old sellout..."

So, umm...Kyrie is now a serious person? Kareem now a man "driven by celebrity"? Jesus friggin Christ...

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joe dokes said:

But its not surprising. Or Whitlock is a lurker:

Too bad Howard Cosell is gone. He would rip out Whitlock's guts and serve them to him in a 500-word soliloquy.

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Kyrie Irving is too smart for you. He’s so smart, he can outwit germs and governments. He’s so smart, you can’t understand a word he’s saying. That’s how smart he is. His genius is utterly indecipherable to you and me, and while you may wish for some insight into the exquisite, diamond-chip workings of his multifaceted mind, you are not entitled to them because he prefers to keep them “private.”

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Irving is so smart that everything he says sounds like a mystery unless it’s a contradiction. “I’m a human being first,” he said in refusing to share whether he is vaccinated against the coronavirus or to comment on whether he is anti-vaccine, as has been reported, a stance that could imperil other human beings because the vaccines reduce the chance of spread.

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“Please, just respect my privacy,” he repeated. “All the questions kind of leading into what’s happening, just please — everything will be released at a due date, and once we get this cleared up … I’m just excited to enjoy this day by day and the journey, man. However this comes, the ups, the downs, the good, the bad — I know that I’ll be there every day no matter what and just be present for my teammates as one of the leaders on the team.”
I’m sorry — you’ll be “there,” meaning where? And what exactly do you take people for?

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OurF'ingCity said:

I think the thing that annoys me most about Kyrie is that he wants to come off as some sort of modern-day philosopher but nothing he says actually means anything at all. His vaccination decision is bad u see any circumstances but I’d at least respect him a bit more if he took the Marshawn Lynch approach of “fuck you, I’m going to do whatever I want, I’m not talking to the media.”

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OurF'ingCity said:

I think the thing that annoys me most about Kyrie is that he wants to come off as some sort of modern-day philosopher but nothing he says actually means anything at all. His vaccination decision is bad u see any circumstances but I’d at least respect him a bit more if he took the Marshawn Lynch approach of “fuck you, I’m going to do whatever I want, I’m not talking to the media.”

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Cellar-Door said:

Honestly I doubt Kyrie cares, he's got a ton of money, and the Nike money is still coming in. What Kyrie wants more than anything is for people to tell him how smart he is, and what a great thinker he is. Basically he wants Whitlock articles all the time. He'd love the idea of saying "see I'm giving up money because I'm SOOOO principled."

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ElUno20 said:

That's great. But if he does go that route and he loses checks, it may scare the not so rich idiot players to get vaccinated. So it's a win win.

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ElUno20 said:

That's great. But if he does go that route and he loses checks, it may scare the not so rich idiot players to get vaccinated. So it's a win win.

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Cellar-Door said:

The problem is the CBA doesn't really allow them to mandate it, they need an agreement with the union and given that a couple of the anti-vaxxers are prominent union members and/or close friends with prominent members, the Union won't even consider it. The NBA doesn't want to put a mandate in place that gets challenged in court and risk a ruling that might weaken them on other issues

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Cellar-Door said:

Honestly I doubt Kyrie cares, he's got a ton of money, and the Nike money is still coming in. What Kyrie wants more than anything is for people to tell him how smart he is, and what a great thinker he is. Basically he wants Whitlock articles all the time. He'd love the idea of saying "see I'm giving up money because I'm SOOOO principled."

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Phil Plantier said:

I recommend Bomani Jones' podcast from Monday on this. His take: it may not be that anti-vaxxers are prominent union people (besides Kyrie), it's that in the particular case of the NBA players union, mandating players to put something in their bodies is a very big deal.

And the NBA mandating without union agreement is a non-starter.

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joe dokes said:

He may stand *with* them, but will Cruz stand *next to* them?

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CoffeeNerdness said:

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RedOctober3829 said:

But will he then in the next breath tell them to shut up and dribble? Or is it because what they're saying fits your stupid narratives about COVID?

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Bleedred said:

I look forward to Ted Cruz's follow up tweet standing up for women's reproductive rights and choice. You know, "your body, your choice" and all.

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Euclis20 said:

This is no surprise (I remember something from the spring about MPJ on the subject) and as ridiculous as the statement is, unless someone new emerges he's instantly the second biggest star to not be vaccinated, right?

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Kliq said:

Beal.

I'm also skeptical that LeBron is vaccinated. Maybe he got it but IIRC during the playoffs he kind of denied it.

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Bleedred said:

I look forward to Ted Cruz's follow up tweet standing up for women's reproductive rights and choice. You know, "your body, your choice" and all.

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TripleOT said:

Any of these anti-vaccine idiots who profess to care about Black people are certainly not helping the Black community in the US, where Blacks are dying at 1.4 times the rate than whites. With vaccinate rates for Blacks trailing other ethnic groups, pro athletes could have taken a better role as influencers. Instead, we have morons like Kyrie attempting to dissuade people from getting vaccinated.

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The dark reality is that those who promote hesitancy and “more research” have blood on their hands. Worse, the kind of conspiracy theories and pseudoscience pundits spread is the kind of selective “science” that white people used to justify enslaving Black people. Drapetomania was a malady coined by a doctor in 1851: slaves ran away because of their smaller brains and blood vessels combined with their natural tendencies toward indolence and barbarism. This theory lasted for a hundred years. Many other “scientific” ideas about Black inferiority have been spread throughout America’s history and are still popular today. Racism, misogyny, xenophobia, anti-LGBTQ+ all thrive in the addled minds of flat-Earth thinking. For Black athletes or entertainers to give this same anti-vax pseudo-science any oxygen is to allow the other crackpot theories to co-exist that justify marginalizing others.

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ElUno20 said:

Beal, lebron, all of these boil down to the "do your own research" type of canned answers. Like i truly, truly hate people.

I hope when Beal goes down with the 5008383838th injury of his career, he tells the team doctor to F off and does his own research.

And lebron, really? After almost 2 years into this, the rest of us idiots shouldn't have been keeping up with things and trusting the science. Nope. We should've just waited until our jobs backed us into a corner.

I just can't with these morons. I cant believe im saying this but i wish David Stern was the commissioner to deal with this.

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tbb345 said:

Calling out jimbodandy with this post isn’t it, I think you wanted to prove a point by being extremely negative but most of your post is just wrong and not fit for an NBA board.
The game hasn’t collapsed and the products not bad. Not sure what you’re going for here honestly.
Agree the ending of games are bad with the length of replays. Officiating in every sport sucks and Im not sure that the nba is markedly worse than any other major sports league

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BringBackMo said:

In fact, I believe that the league—which has since at least the 80s been at the forefront of marketing its superstars above its teams—encourages this kind of preferential treatment. It’s the one thing about the NBA that I can’t stand.

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Batman Likes The Sox said:

When does Nike drop Kyrie? Now? After he misses all of his home games and some others, maybe for multiple years? If most of the country is tired of those who won't get vaccinated, does that even leave enough people who want to buy Kyrie gear?

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wade boggs chicken dinner said:

I think the NBA is the toughest sport to ref. Charging/block is as hard as a call to make in sports and instead of having two or three close instances, the NBA has dozens per game. Also, trying to figure out, just a couple of examples, whether guys kick out their legs or the defender is stepping into air space or trying to figure out if 260 pound athletes are taking an extra step (etc.) all while also trying to see what guys are doing with their hands or feet in super tight quarters - there's a ton to look for on every trip down the court. I couldn't do it.

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Cellar-Door said:

NFL is honestly probably the toughest to ref if you go by the rulebook since it's 5 guys for 22 spread over a bigger field, but NBA is the hardest in reality.
NFL because if they actually tried to call holding or illegal contact, completely by the book you'd have flags on literally every play.
NBA is the hardest overall because you are judging degrees of contact, sub-second windows of foot placement, who initiated arm contacts, etc.

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Lose Remerswaal said:

Seven, but I don't disagree with your conclusion

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Cellar-Door said:

I have no idea why I always think it's 5

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Lose Remerswaal said:

Because 2 of them always seem to miss all the calls?

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Cellar-Door said:

NFL is honestly probably the toughest to ref if you go by the rulebook since it's 5 guys for 22 spread over a bigger field, but NBA is the hardest in reality.
NFL because if they actually tried to call holding or illegal contact, completely by the book you'd have flags on literally every play.
NBA is the hardest overall because you are judging degrees of contact, sub-second windows of foot placement, who initiated arm contacts, etc.

I think people also overrate the "star" effect. Stars get more calls because they are involved in way more plays, and they are usually superior talents to the guys who foul them. Like Harden drives people nuts, but the thing is.... he really does get fouled a ton, and he exploits the rules by putting himself in positions to be fouled knowing that his opponents don't have the skill to avoid it most of the time. People used to complain about LeBron just driving into traffic and getting calls, but 90% of the time he used his superior speed/strength to beat guys to the spot. So a guy like HArden probably gets fouled 15 times a game easy and gets 9-11 calls, but a guy who gets the ball less gets fouled 3 times a game and gets 1 call. Refs missed more calls on Harden, but people's reaction is "oh Harden got all the calls, look at my bench guy he had 2 blown calls"... STAR treatment. When really... refs just miss some calls, and the more calls you create the less impact the missed calls have.

Also, people are very bad at judging refs, you just need to go on any place people talk about basketball to see that every fanbase thinks their stars don't get calls they deserve and other people's stars get "star treatment", the NBA viewership is Tommy Heinsohns all the way down.

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BringBackMo said:

I believe that the basketball equivalent of those things happens in the NBA. In fact, I believe that the league—which has since at least the 80s been at the forefront of marketing its superstars above its teams—encourages this kind of preferential treatment. It’s the one thing about the NBA that I can’t stand.

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