Malik Monk signing for the vets minimum is silly.Why? None of those guys are particularly good anymore.
Malik Monk signing for the vets minimum is silly.Why? None of those guys are particularly good anymore.
If someone was willing to pay him, he would get paid.Malik Monk signing for the vets minimum is silly.
well they started him 42 of 43 games so, in the King's world, he's getting the spotlight introductionDo they? They play him like 26 minutes a game. & it's not like they have a surfeit of frontcourt talent.
What's his path to becoming a good basketball player? Are there any comparable current basketball players to Bagley with a similar set of skills that he could aspire to be like?
What about his 1st 3 seasons makes you think he has an upside? Who is his upside comp & how is he going to hit that level?
Right...but Fultz is a completely different type of player. The only thing he has in common with Bagley is that he was also a high draft pick. We might as well use Anthony Bennett as a comp at that point.well they started him 42 of 43 games so, in the King's world, he's getting the spotlight introduction
I gave you Fultz but comps are always ample fodder to nitpick. Old friend Jeff Green (drafted 2yrs older) was a hollow stats guy that teams somewhat dreamed on (and traded protected 1sts for). Again Bagley's not a guy I want the Celtics to troll for but rebuilders/purgatory seems like a good home for him. The King's have been in perpetual rebuild mode so they'll most likely keep/dream on him... and continue to wear the scarlet letters "LD"
This is an important point.If someone was willing to pay him, he would get paid.
Leagues were the size of divisions and there was no FA. Same thing with the Yankees back in 50’s.Looks like some of the 60s Celtics teams had at least 5 all nba guys at once. I'm not sure if it's easier now because old guys that used to be good join teams as ring chasers or back then because there were fewer teams so you'd naturally have more per team and the winning teams racked up a ton from guys just for being winning teams.
Fultz is a top pick that fell flat on his face the first few seasons, he was way worse than Bagley. That's it, nothing too exact here. No comp will be perfect. It's why I think it's fruitless to provide them, they can be nitpicked away. Heck, I think Orlando re-signing MF to $50MM was a mistake. But some people loved that deal and maybe it made sense for a team like Orlando (but certainly not for the Celtics). Anthony Bennett avg 4ppg/12mpg, started 4 NBA games, spent time in the G-League/Dunkin Donuts, and was out of the NBA after his rookie deal. I doubt that's MB3s outcome. Maybe Micheal Beasley is his future, IDK?Right...but Fultz is a completely different type of player. The only thing he has in common with Bagley is that he was also a high draft pick. We might as well use Anthony Bennett as a comp at that point.
Jeff Green has had an odd career. He's basically been similar levels of ~ok every season of his career from his 2nd through his 13th.
I don't see what about Green's career would give you faith that Bagley has a high ceiling, though, or would provide a team a positive return on a protected 1st round pick?
Teams have wasted 1sts on a wide variety of bad players over the year - like the Bucks traded a 2nd & a protected 1st to the Raptors for Grievis Vasquez.* Yes, trading a 1st for Bagley is a better idea than that, but that can't be the type of comp we're going for to show that Bagley will actually provide value to the acquiring team.
* GV played 23 games mediocrely for the Bucks before being shut down for bone spurs. He signed with the Nets in the offseason & played 3 games with them before getting cut, ending his NBA career. The Raptors players from that trade? Norman Powell & OG Anunoby.
They are both pretty flawed. If Fultz could add a reliable 3 point shot, he'd be a decent NBA player and worth his contract as a combo guard. He has good length but hasn't been much of a defender to date. He's also really only played 1 season and was injured early last year. It's hard to know if there was any year to year growth or not, as he didn't play. If you squint, maybe he turns into Dejounte Murray. Orlando also wasn't going anywhere so taking a gamble on Fultz is fine. They gave up a 1st and 2nd round pick (21st and 33rd picks, ended up being Tyrese Maxey and Carsen Edwards).Fultz is a top pick that fell flat on his face the first few seasons, he was way worse than Bagley. That's it, nothing too exact here. No comp will be perfect. It's why I think it's fruitless to provide them, they can be nitpicked away. Heck, I think Orlando re-signing MF to $50MM was a mistake. But some people loved that deal and maybe it made sense for a team like Orlando (but certainly not for the Celtics). Anthony Bennett avg 4ppg/12mpg, started 4 NBA games, spent time in the G-League/Dunkin Donuts, and was out of the NBA after his rookie deal. I doubt that's MB3s outcome. Maybe Micheal Beasley is his future, IDK?
I really have zero idea how a 22yr old Marvin Bagley will turn out. Maybe he has not been properly used, not in the right situation, poorly coached or he's just a lazy POS with no talent. For the 3rd time, I agree his adv metrics have been atrocious during his 19-21yr old seasons. For a team like the Celtics, no thanks. BUT a late/protected 1st, when a team like OKC owns a dozen of them, has a different value proposition. Plus they have cap space galore. It all depends on the team/situation. The Magic, Pistons, Rockets, Thunder of the world might think they can fix/better utilize him as we've recently seen with flawed youngsters like Christian Wood, Chris Bouchard, & Kevin Porter Jr. Doubt the Kings even accept a protected 1st for MB3, they'll want to gamble on him.
BTW we can cite protected/late 1sts and 2nd rounders that turned out glorious all day long, but that doesn't mean a thing here.
I'm not looking for a perfect comp... I'm looking for:Fultz is a top pick that fell flat on his face the first few seasons, he was way worse than Bagley. That's it, nothing too exact here. No comp will be perfect. It's why I think it's fruitless to provide them, they can be nitpicked away. Heck, I think Orlando re-signing MF to $50MM was a mistake. But some people loved that deal and maybe it made sense for a team like Orlando (but certainly not for the Celtics). Anthony Bennett avg 4ppg/12mpg, started 4 NBA games, spent time in the G-League/Dunkin Donuts, and was out of the NBA after his rookie deal. I doubt that's MB3s outcome. Maybe Micheal Beasley is his future, IDK?
I really have zero idea how a 22yr old Marvin Bagley will turn out. Maybe he has not been properly used, not in the right situation, poorly coached or he's just a lazy POS with no talent? For the 3rd time, I agree his adv metrics have been atrocious during his 19-21yr old seasons. For a team like the Celtics, no thanks. BUT a late/protected 1st, when a team like OKC owns a dozen of them, has a different value proposition. Plus they have cap space galore. It all depends on the team/situation. The Magic, Pistons, Rockets, Thunder of the world might think they can fix/better utilize him as we've recently seen with flawed youngsters like Christian Wood, Chris Bouchard, & Kevin Porter Jr. Doubt the Kings even accept a protected 1st for MB3, they'll want to gamble on him.
BTW we can cite protected/late 1sts and 2nd rounders that turned out glorious all day long or immediately flamed out. That doesn't mean a thing here.
Nice.I don't have any data to back this up, but I feel like people named after alcohol are empirically more likely to be late bloomers.
Carlos Boozer would disagree.I don't have any data to back this up, but I feel like people named after alcohol are empirically more likely to be late bloomers.
But might agree that players named after alcohol are more likely to Sharpie their hairlines.Carlos Boozer would disagree.
Yea, good pickup for the Bulls.Bulls got a nice little player for free when the Nets ran out of roster spots and had to waive rebounding machine Alize Johnson. I remember 5-6 years ago I was intrigued when Ainge worked him out after he put his name in the draft after being one of the countries leading rebounders but he later pulled out. Watch out for him to be one of those late bloomers who maybe figure things out as he gets into his late 20’s.
If I were running Team Alize I’d never consider Boston after sitting for the Nets last year. This kid needs an opportunity for minutes and numbers to get paid in two years. I don’t see any reason why he can’t be a $6-10m/yr guy after some exposure with the Bulls.Yea, good pickup for the Bulls.
That's the type of player that would have been nice as the 15th man here. Good backstory. Kind of guy that hits the floor with the intent of doing all the little things to winning. Instead a guy, like Jabari Parker, whose only value is scoring (which is really hard to do with the inconsistent play of the 15th man). Points from the bench are impt, but when you are so far down the rotation 14/15, JP will never get enough reps to prove he can score efficiently (while giving it up on the other end)
BUT its really hard to criticize Brad since he's done all these under-radar clever moves this offseason
Team Alize got him a gtd 2yr deal (min.) which is decent work by them after 49 career NBA games. He'll still be behind several players (like DJ Jr) but he'll get more NBA minutes to shine (and get those NBA riches)If I were running Team Alize I’d never consider Boston after sitting for the Nets last year. This kid needs an opportunity for minutes and numbers to get paid in two years. I don’t see any reason why he can’t be a $6-10m/yr guy after some exposure with the Bulls.
Took the time to view the post this was in regards to and am mildly disappointed this wasn’t a reference to robbing a blind man. Does this make me a bad person?Carlos Boozer would disagree.
Not in and of itself but when you take the totality of the circumstances . . . .Took the time to view the post this was in regards to and am mildly disappointed this wasn’t a reference to robbing a blind man. Does this make me a bad person?
Wow, Iggy didn't even have great counting stats but a product of the wacky '11-'12 lockout-shortened season I suppose. Interesting team when you look at the veterans and young guys though. Tony Battie and Elton Brand at 12-13th years in the league, then Jrue Holiday, Evan Turner and Nikola Vucevic all in their first few seasons. Lou Williams appears to be their median experience player at 6th year in the league. Iguodala was the only All-Star but they definitely had an All Future Supporting Cast team.Couldn't get Iguodala, that's a good pull. 17 years in the NBA, he's only made 1 all-star team.
Not you, just Carlos Boozers agent. Who surprisingly, still has an (appropriate) job in the NBA.Took the time to view the post this was in regards to and am mildly disappointed this wasn’t a reference to robbing a blind man. Does this make me a bad person?
This was fantastic. Thanks for putting this here.Not really sure where to put this, but I thought this little addendum to the Last Dance about Luc Longley was pretty interesting if you have an hour to kill.
Who was his agent? In Gordon Gund’s statement in the days following he was very clear that Carlos, and to the lesser degree his wife, were the ones responding to him repeatedly in the meeting that they understood the arrangement.Not you, just Carlos Boozers agent. Who surprisingly, still has an (appropriate) job in the NBA.
Rob PelinkaWho was his agent? In Gordon Gund’s statement in the days following he was very clear that Carlos, and to the lesser degree his wife, were the ones responding to him repeatedly in the meeting that they understood the arrangement.
Maybe somebody should have reminded the Sixers last week?
Most expire worthless anyway especially by a team over the cap who would also have to absorb tax penalties.Maybe somebody should have reminded the Sixers last week?
FWIW, I watched this the other night when I couldn't get to sleep, and I thought it was delightful. Not an addendum to The Last Dance as such - it's an Australian-made documentary - but it does fill in a notable gap in TLD (a gap addressed in this documentary), and with a level of detail that wouldn't have been possible in TLD itself. There's a surprising amount of MJ in this, along with contributions from Pippen and Kerr and Sam Smith, among others. Highly recommended.Not really sure where to put this, but I thought this little addendum to the Last Dance about Luc Longley was pretty interesting if you have an hour to kill.
I assume that doesn't include KW, right?The amount DET is paying guys to play in LA and BKN is more than the Thunder are paying the whole roster.
yeah active players.I assume that doesn't include KW, right?
Wonder who is the next bad contract Presti is going to take off someone's hands.
DeAndre Jordan has officially signed with the Lakers.
Kind of hard to argue with that. And, while Gasol has declined, he's not nearly as washed as Jordan. Weird focus.The Lakers were forced to go out and spend roughly $5.2 million on two, mostly washed-up centers this summer because despite having nine years of NBA experience, Anthony Davis still doesn't understand what position he's supposed to play. For now, Marc Gasol remains with the team for another $2.7 million, but he's reportedly not a lock to make the regular-season roster. After all, DeMarcus Cousins is still available.
I'll take that bet.Does LA win more than 45 games? I doubt it. Is that the most hilariously constructed roster of washed up superstars ever? I mean Jesus Christ they might win 75 games if it was 2009.
Winning 45 games likely gets them a 4 seed. I can easily see them winning more than that thoughDoes LA win more than 45 games? I doubt it. Is that the most hilariously constructed roster of washed up superstars ever? I mean Jesus Christ they might win 75 games if it was 2009.
Yeah the Lakers over/under per the oddsmakers is 52.5. I think this team will be dominant during the regular season - adding westbrook allows lebron and davis to take plenty of rest days, and teams won't bother game-planning for their lack of range in the regular season. Like all Westbrook teams, their problem will emerge in the playoffs.Does LA win more than 45 games? I doubt it. Is that the most hilariously constructed roster of washed up superstars ever? I mean Jesus Christ they might win 75 games if it was 2009.
This.Yeah the Lakers over/under per the oddsmakers is 52.5. I think this team will be dominant during the regular season - adding westbrook allows lebron and davis to take plenty of rest days, and teams won't bother game-planning for their lack of range in the regular season. Like all Westbrook teams, their problem will emerge in the playoffs.
I have a very hard time believing that team stays healthy throughout the regular season, even with all the load management.Yeah the Lakers over/under per the oddsmakers is 52.5. I think this team will be dominant during the regular season - adding westbrook allows lebron and davis to take plenty of rest days, and teams won't bother game-planning for their lack of range in the regular season. Like all Westbrook teams, their problem will emerge in the playoffs.
I mean, the Nash-Bryant-Howard Lakers were way younger than this team is. Nash was the elder statesman there at 38, Howard was only 27, and Bryant was 34. All those guys are also just way worse players than Lebron, but nonetheless, all the concerns about health go the same for age-related declines in quality of play. There's blow-out potential up and down the roster.I have a very hard time believing that team stays healthy throughout the regular season, even with all the load management.