Seems it, but has any team said "nah, we aren't trading you?" NO did for a brief minute.That's ridiculous.
Seems it, but has any team said "nah, we aren't trading you?" NO did for a brief minute.That's ridiculous.
That would be an amazing trade.There's no reason for Stevens to feel backed into a corner such that he feels he has no choice but to make the sub-lateral move and trade Jaylen for Brown.
Yes, it would. Fixed. Thanks!That would be an amazing trade.
In the blink of an eye we’d have Tatum and Jaylen squared to complete our “Big Three.”That would be an amazing trade.
I tend to agree with you, but at the same time I'd be totally OK with the Celtics being one of the first teams to say "fuck it" and not agree to such a demand. Let his ass sit for four years. Requesting a trade the first year of a supermax extension is insanity to me.Seems it, but has any team said "nah, we aren't trading you?" NO did for a brief minute.
I'm sure that some players/agents have made this request in private, and were turned down by the team. For better or worse, Tatum seems to keep his cards pretty close to the vest and doesn't seem to like the type to make any public demands, at least not this many years before his contract is up.Seems it, but has any team said "nah, we aren't trading you?" NO did for a brief minute.
There'd definitely need to be more as Bledsoe is bone on bone in both knees, no longer all that quick, and trending badly on both sides of the ball. While 2021 is a great draft to be selecting in the top 6, after that things get dicey. I suppose that Jalen Johnson might still be there as a homerun swing. But I'm not sure that the vet infrastructure in Boston is strong enough anymore to develop him.At first glance, I don't hate that, but I have always been higher on Bledsoe and lower on Smart than most people. Does seem like an odd move though, unless BOS moves #10 and Bledsoe somewhere else?
The Pelicans priority is to move Bledsoe’s remaining 2/$37m though so any deal of significance is going to include him. The other offer that’s been out there was NO swapping pick 10 for the Grizz 17th for absorbing Bledsoe into their cap space. He’s all but finished being a productive player with his knees.Would be curious to trade out of the first round just to move up in the 1st round lol.
I'm sure a deal could be had where Smart ends up in NO but it's not for Eric Bledsoe. Probably not the 10th pick either, unless the C's really like someone they think will be available.
If Boston wants a poor shooting quasi-PG clogging up their cap space next season at $19 million, they can just extend Smart.
Yes it makes more sense once you remove the Smart for Bledsoe names......the purpose would be to move Smart prior to having to pay him a lot of money for 4 more years or lose him for nothing while getting a lottery pick in return. The price is Bledsoe’s contract this year before he’s an expiring but he can at least give you some PG minutes albeit not very good ones.The Bledsoe portion is mostly irrelevant as he’s just salary filler. It’s basically Smart for #10, which is somewhat reasonable on the surface. It’s definitely a more attractive asset to put in a Beal trade offer.
Yeah, I think that deal would say some combination of three things:There'd definitely need to be more as Bledsoe is bone on bone in both knees, no longer all that quick, and trending badly on both sides of the ball. While 2021 is a great draft to be selecting in the top 6, after that things get dicey. I suppose that Jalen Johnson might still be there as a homerun swing. But I'm not sure that the vet infrastructure in Boston is strong enough anymore to develop him.
Fournier would seem to fit the Leonsis veteran type who keeps them competitive. They’d have to be the top bidder though which wouldn’t happen until after the draft though. The most likely trade of Beal would occur on draft night if I had to guess.Leaving aside for a moment whether Fournier would want to play there, could he be involved in a S&T for Beal?
They wouldn’t have to be as he could be a part of a 3 team where he is being signed and traded, which would create outgoing salary to match.Fournier would seem to fit the Leonsis veteran type who keeps them competitive. They’d have to be the top bidder though which wouldn’t happen until after the draft though. The most likely trade of Beal would occur on draft night if I had to guess.
Two guys heading in opposite directions.Funny how much changes in 4 years. I was at an almost empty phoenix arena and watched Bledsoe just abuse Booker.
love all of itI was messing around with the roster manager over at Spotrac to try a reasonable offseason:
(No Beal trade, I decided it wasn't likely without Brown and I think that's a bad trade)
I took into account the rumor that the owners don't want to go much past $15M in tax.
Move 1:
Trade 45 and a future 2nd for Jarrett Culver
Move 2:
Re-sign Fournier starting at $16M (3 years around 51M)
Move 3:
TT, Carsen, future 2nd for Delon Wright
Move 4:
Sign Nigel Hayes
Move 5:
Release Parker (non-guaranteed, so saves us on the tax, replaced by Hayes, also leaves open a spot for buyouts).
Leaves them with this:
PGs: Smart, Wright, PP
WIngs: Tatum,Brown, Fournier, Culver, Romeo, Nesmith
Bigs: Horford, TL, Grant, Hayes, Brown
I'm tempted to just ditch Jabari and keep the roster spot open to save the
The Boston Celtics should not, for any reason, trade Jaylen Brown for Bradley Beal. Not to appease Jayson Tatum. Not to make a splashy move. Not for any reason short of Brown himself saying he wants out of town, and even then I’d still say Boston should try to make it work.
It’s not that I don’t want Beal. I’ve been talking about how a Beal/Tatum/Brown trio could be the antidote to Brooklyn Nets fever. I think finding a way, however improbable, to get Beal onto Boston to form this generation’s Big 3 would be the launching pad to championship contender.
But it’s not going to happen without Brown.
I wholeheartedly agree.Is [Beal] so much better than Brown that adding him and removing Brown suddenly has Kevin Durant, James Harden, and Kyrie Irving quaking in their boots? Are the defending champions really worried that Jayson Tatum and Bradley Beal are going to outdo Giannis Antetokounmpo and Khris Middleton when one of those guys will have to deal with Jrue Holiday living in his shorts for a whole series?
No. It won’t.
Boston has its two stars right now, and should be either angling for a third, or to find the Holiday of their own to add a level of depth that will be hard for top-heavy trios to deal with. They absolutely should not be switching one star out for another one who is better right now, but who might not be for much longer.
"reasonable." Once he demands a trade to Boston, any reasonable offer goes out the window. There is no reasonable offer the C's can make without Brown.IF Beal really wants to be with Tatum, he CAN say that he doesn't see a future in Washington, that he has no plans to resign there, and if they don't want to lose him for nothing, they should trade him, and that to any team that trades for him, he will go to free agency UNLESS it's the Boston Celtics.
On the other hand, he may not care all that much whether he plays with Tatum.
But, if he made that first set of statements, WAS probably would have to trade him for what BOS was willing to offer; in other words, a reasonable package that did not include Brown.
Isn't this the same thing as AD and the Lakers. It was made clear that he only wanted to go to LA and they got a very reasonable return"reasonable." Once he demands a trade to Boston, any reasonable offer goes out the window. There is no reasonable offer the C's can make without Brown.
This is why we are all hoping Beal basically demands Boston.
edit: Just to be clear, they will have to accept whatever Boston is offering, but it won't be reasonable.
If you want Sato it's probably a trade into the TPE.I am fine with them throwing a vet minimum at Nigel Hayes, but I hope they have solid plans to use the full tax payer MLE on someone. Justise Winslow? Satoransky if he gets released? Bjelica?
Yeah, and what are the Celtics equivalent to Ingram, Ball and the 4th overall pick?Isn't this the same thing as AD and the Lakers. It was made clear that he only wanted to go to LA and they got a very reasonable return
Beal ain't AD, he's not even Harden (the better comp for a guy forcing out). If Beal demands a trade and gives a shitty list of teams he'll re-sign for then the answer is Smart, three 1sts a couple swaps and salary fill.Yeah, and what are the Celtics equivalent to Ingram, Ball and the 4th overall pick?
They would accept that trade but I wouldn't call it reasonable by any stretch. The only reason they would accept it is because Beal bend them over.Beal ain't AD, he's not even Harden (the better comp for a guy forcing out). If Beal demands a trade and gives a shitty list of teams he'll re-sign for then the answer is Smart, three 1sts a couple swaps and salary fill.
Beal can be a free agent next year and sign here. He doesn't need to be traded to be a CelticThey would accept that trade but I wouldn't call it reasonable by any stretch. The only reason they would accept it is because Beal bend them over.
If Beal doesn't force his way to Boston and Brown isn't in a Beal trade, Beal is not coming to Boston.
I meant via trade, but yes. He could go that route. I would prefer he did, honestly.Beal can be a free agent next year and sign here. He doesn't need to be traded to be a Celtic
Oh I agree. If Beal doesn't demand a trade and give a shortlist that is basically Boston and teams who already traded their picks he's not gonna be here. I expect that to be the case and the Celtics to re-sign Fournier and extend Smart.They would accept that trade but I wouldn't call it reasonable by any stretch. The only reason they would accept it is because Beal bend them over.
If Beal doesn't force his way to Boston and Brown isn't in a Beal trade, Beal is not coming to Boston.
Yes and Paul George attempted the same, but Indiana traded him to OKC anyways and he ended up saying there when he reached free agency. Players can dictate a lot in their trade demands but they can’t stop a team from trading them somewhere they don’t want to go if that’s the best offer.Isn't this the same thing as AD and the Lakers. It was made clear that he only wanted to go to LA and they got a very reasonable return
OKC was able and willing to make a really good offer for Paul George, despite their not being on their preferred destination. PG is definitely a closer comp to Beal as opposed to Anthony Davis. If a team is able and willing to give up premium assets despite Beal's hypothetical demands to play in Boston, then Beal is getting traded to the other team.Yes and Paul George attempted the same, but Indiana traded him to OKC anyways and he ended up saying there when he reached free agency. Players can dictate a lot in their trade demands but they can’t stop a team from trading them somewhere they don’t want to go if that’s the best offer.
My recollection of Holman was that of a good energy guy, could protect the rim, knock down 3-point shooter.....but lacked any feel for the game to put it all together. Sometimes guys like this with the physicals have a light switch go off. I don’t expect much from him though.He can shoot, anyway. Last I knew, he couldn't guard a chair. A large part was effort but not all.
It could have been terrible IQ instead of effort. He was not very good on D despite being able to block some shots. No harm in bringing him in though. He has size and some skill.My recollection of Holman was that of a good energy guy, could protect the rim, knock down 3-point shooter.....but lacked any feel for the game to put it all together. Sometimes guys like this with the physicals have a light switch go off. I don’t expect much from him though.
The epitome of a place holder.....for the 5th time in 6 years. Decent option if we can’t swing a trade for a 1 which is hard nowadays.rumors of Celtics looking at Rubio. $17MM for his last year
https://www.celticsblog.com/2021/7/29/22600050/rumor-boston-celtics-doing-due-diligence-on-ricky-rubio-jayson-tatum-jaylen-brown-brad-stevens-nba