You'd think. He came up and got one or two at bats and then rode the bench otherwise. Nothing they do this year makes any sense.
What Can/Should NY Do?
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So, someone will have to do the research but my brain is telling me that I read a fangraphs article awhile back about large power hitters aging better than average size players.
Regardless, I think we're on the same page. I just think the Yankees are supposed to be a team who can overpay for the right players. Judge is the right kind of player to do that by almost all indications, except that the roster flexibility could very well create a situation where it's not easy to make a 7 year promise to him.
He's got a 105 OPS+ after a red-hot July and has been pretty bad in the field (at least against Boston). I suspect he'll look like a replacement-level 2b by the end of the season.
Odor was leading the league in DRS not too long ago and also has very good DRS numbers in recent years. I didn't see the errors against BOS but in general he has been very good defensively this season, better than DJ who was the best defensive 2B in the game a few years ago but is now just solid.
NY didn't believe in Park being more than a AAAA player, they have Peraza and Josh Smith and Volpe and Vargas below him in the system at SS who can all be moved up a level now. Peraza and Volpe especially are legit prospects, as are Vargas and Roderick Arias (#1 international prospect expected to sign with NY in Jan).
Anyway, Park and Castillo are both rule 5 eligible and NY didn't really have room for them/believe in them, so that's what this deal is about. Holmes I don't know much about but it is unfortunate he doesn't have options.
From a long post I wrote last night but didn't finish/post:
"Cashman is at a SS crossroads this winter, their system is so seemingly loaded (I plan to ask one of the prospects guys at some point, but I bet that no system has ever had a single position as loaded as NY's current SSs up and down their system, especially assuming Roderick Arias happens as expected in January). Right now they have three stud middle infielders all in Hudson Valley high A, as Josh Smith came off the (possibly phantom?) short-term IL to join Volpe and Ezequiel Duran. The ballsy/aggressive move would be to trade Gleyber now that he seems to be on the road back to fixed and move everyone else up a level, Peraza from AA to MLB, Park stays in AAA, Smith or Duran to AA."
Moving Park and Castillo for a little value helps clear out the middle infield logjam in the system, looking forward to seeing who gets promoted now.
"Cashman is at a SS crossroads this winter, their system is so seemingly loaded (I plan to ask one of the prospects guys at some point, but I bet that no system has ever had a single position as loaded as NY's current SSs up and down their system, especially assuming Roderick Arias happens as expected in January). Right now they have three stud middle infielders all in Hudson Valley high A, as Josh Smith came off the (possibly phantom?) short-term IL to join Volpe and Ezequiel Duran. The ballsy/aggressive move would be to trade Gleyber now that he seems to be on the road back to fixed and move everyone else up a level, Peraza from AA to MLB, Park stays in AAA, Smith or Duran to AA."
Moving Park and Castillo for a little value helps clear out the middle infield logjam in the system, looking forward to seeing who gets promoted now.
NY has got to move some fringe pitchers like Kriske, maybe Nelson, I will take a look at the current 40 man once the Covid situation ends (3 of 6 guys are back and Higashioka must be ready which is why they sent down Brantly, leaving just Judge and Peralta).
Holmes has had trouble throwing strikes, but when he does, his hard sinker is a groundball machine:
View: https://twitter.com/nyyankeesstats/status/1419779290179284999
View: https://twitter.com/nyyankeesstats/status/1419779290179284999
Yeah, Estrada was another guy the NY front office never seemed to believe in, but I'm not sure a good 50 ABs for the Giants is really definitive proof of anything.
There are a lot of valid criticisms to be made about Cashman's work, but it is worth noting that he has not given up a true impact pre-arb player in a long time, unless I'm forgetting someone. Kaprielian is finally doing very well this year but NY traded him in 2017 and would have had to keep him on the 40 man the entire 4 years in between to realize that benefit for themselves. The Astros on the other hand (as an example) have moved guys like Laureano and Teoscar Hernandez and Patrick Sandoval.
Edit: Also he gave up Gio Gallegos who has been very good since, but he got Luke Voit for him, so he is still ahead on that one too.
Edit: Also he gave up Gio Gallegos who has been very good since, but he got Luke Voit for him, so he is still ahead on that one too.
I was going to add him too, but that was a pretty unusual situation all around. We have discussed everything around that a lot, but one part we haven't discussed much is that because of the unusual 2020 season, Cashman wasn't able to move 40 man fringe candidates at the deadline like he normally does (like this move) to make room for the guys he really wanted to keep. This still likely wouldn't have been Whitlock, NY considered him a SP and he was caught in a numbers crunch, but it does factor into how it went down.
This seems more or less accurate, basically a non-event trade.
View: https://twitter.com/eboland11/status/1419796814639808521
View: https://twitter.com/eboland11/status/1419796814639808521
Professionals make those calls every day, based on what they see and all the info they have. I agree with you to an extent, sometimes you don't know until someone actually gets a chance, but Covid made this decision making a lot harder for GMs, as they lost an entire season of minor league results plus 60 percent of the regular MLB season last year. Both Park and Castillo blossomed in AAA and AA respectively this year, but NY wasn't impressed enough to include them in their long-term plans.
Also it turns out not only are both rule 5 eligible, but both can be minor league FAs and sign anywhere they want after this season if they're not on the 40 man (presumably PIT will add both).
Simulcast on YES, no less. And the damning tweet about not bringing in the infield just adds to the fire. I still don’t think he loses his job though……
I talked about it a bunch then, but the June 23 game against KC when Boone changed his mind multiple times, during the game and then after, about Chapman intentionally walking Carlos Santana should have either been the last straw or close to it. Managers have so few real jobs, but maybe the most important on the field one is for their players to believe in their decision making, and how could a professional athlete believe in Boone's decision making when he clearly doesn't even believe in it himself? NY is a few games better and right in the mix with even an adequate game manager, every game he is still here at this point is frustrating.
I know SOSH thinks Kay is a Yankees stan because he's a broadcaster, but he doesn't hold back much on his show. In-game, he's a little more reserved but he's got a pretty long leash.
Oh, and in NY's minor league SS line, I forgot new first round pick Trey Sweeney who seems to me to project to 3B but Oppenheimer claims he will stay at SS. He is probably ready for Tampa ABs now too if they choose to do that.
AA-Peraza
high A-Volpe, Duran, Smith
low A-no one
FCL-Vargas
signed draft pick-Sweeney
signing in Jan hopefully: Arias
Peraza is only 21 but should go to AAA, he is already on the 40 man and would be an instant upgrade on Gleyber defensively now. Duran and/or Smith should go to AA, hopefully Vargas and Sweeney both to Tampa. We'll see, presumably moves before tomorrow's games.
AA-Peraza
high A-Volpe, Duran, Smith
low A-no one
FCL-Vargas
signed draft pick-Sweeney
signing in Jan hopefully: Arias
Peraza is only 21 but should go to AAA, he is already on the 40 man and would be an instant upgrade on Gleyber defensively now. Duran and/or Smith should go to AA, hopefully Vargas and Sweeney both to Tampa. We'll see, presumably moves before tomorrow's games.
Looking at that, I feel like giving those two away today is in part a vote of confidence in Josh Smith, the 2nd round pick from LSU in 2019 who has crushed two levels already this year, 1.118 OPS over low A and high A. He turns 24 next week, time for another promotion, use 'em or lose 'em.
The report from Heyman that the Yankees made an offer for Story would suggest they don’t plan to just stand pat.
From the outside looking in, I agree. That said, what I really want to know is how much autonomy Boone actually has for in game decisions. What I'm worried about is if the problem is a lot bigger than Boone. I think we have a pretty good idea that part of Boone's appeal to Cashman was his willingness to listen to the analytics team to an extent beyond what Girardi was comfortable with. If true, how far does that go?
I love Cashman. I trust Cashman. But I wonder if Boone is being undermined to an extent that it is hard for him to be effective.
I wonder if some of the organizations unwavering support for Boone is because they know there are other issues involved.
That doesn't change the fact that if Boone has lost the team, no matter the reason, he has to go. But I'd like to know the full extent of the problem. It would be great if the problem is just Boone. But I'm not sure it is.
Edit: If there is in fact something going behind the scenes, I think Boone lasts the season and then we'll hear reports of a top to bottom reevaluation of how the team does business, with Boone moving along after, maybe with some other organizational changes.
Cone is a pretty smart guy but I'm not so sold on his potential decision making. Also the stories that would come out about the partying he did in his Mets days once he became a serious candidate would presumably be intense, which is why I think he will never be a serious candidate for NY manager. If he did ever get hired, though, he might be the guy to get them to dump the no beard rule at long last...
From what I know, the move should be fire Boone, promote bench coach Carlos Mendoza to interim manager, maybe hire Beltran for bench coach, Joe Espada (HOU's bench coach who was with NY previously) as a managerial candidate after HOU's season is done (unless they fire Dusty and promote him to keep him, pretty unlikely). I said it before Boone was hired, if it was me picking, I would almost certainly pick someone who spoke both English and Spanish fluently, there are a few options.
Also Boone could then go (hopefully) do something where he would be an actual upgrade, replacing A-Rod on Sunday Night Baseball. Boone was not good either when he did that but much much better than our centaur friend. I know none of this will actually happen (at least until the offseason with Boone) but a man can dream.
From what I know, the move should be fire Boone, promote bench coach Carlos Mendoza to interim manager, maybe hire Beltran for bench coach, Joe Espada (HOU's bench coach who was with NY previously) as a managerial candidate after HOU's season is done (unless they fire Dusty and promote him to keep him, pretty unlikely). I said it before Boone was hired, if it was me picking, I would almost certainly pick someone who spoke both English and Spanish fluently, there are a few options.
Also Boone could then go (hopefully) do something where he would be an actual upgrade, replacing A-Rod on Sunday Night Baseball. Boone was not good either when he did that but much much better than our centaur friend. I know none of this will actually happen (at least until the offseason with Boone) but a man can dream.
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In quasi-Yankees goings on, Michael Kay on his show saying that it got so bad he will not respond to fans on Twitter again. He says that people have lost their chance to talk with a genius. Now he's trying to defend his stupid comments about the Red Sox crowd from this weekend.
He's right though. New York fans on twitter are basically like "MICHAEL WHY DO YOU DEFEND CASHMAN HE COULD HAVE SPENT $20B TO GET BAUER OHTANI AND SHOULD HAVE DRAFTED DEGROM IF HE HAD BETTER SCOUTS!!!"
and I defend Kay a lot because I really like him. But if you don't know him, part of his schtick is his faux arrogance with occasional real arrogance. He sets himself up by making arrogant statements so his cohosts can knock him down playfully. It's basically his whole show.
I listen to his show alot and have gotten to know his schtick. I mostly enjoy the show and the banter between the 3 hosts. It just seems like he's taking his ball and going home.
Ah. I didn't listen. I'm actually really enjoying NY sports radio. Between Carton and Kay, I think the traditional driving hours are awesome again. So glad the Francesa shadow is gone, he was unlistenable. Carton and Kay keep it fun.
BTW, Boone on at 5 for Carton.
Actually I predicted this a few days ago, they have a ton of guys they need to try or potentially lose in AAA and a lot of guys coming back, kind of why TB just gave away Rich Hill (they did not save money in doing so). That seems like a non-return, though, that part is odd.
I want to see 6'8" Stephen Ridings!
What's your objective in this thread? If you have a point to make, make it. Otherwise it just seems like a lot of fly by posts intimating that Cashman sucks? I think I picked up that you think the farm system is bad too in a separate post where you said Park was one of the "bright spots" of the farm? I'm not trying to be argumentative but your posts are coming across a little trolly here.
Edit: I could be wrong - I'm a Yankees fan on EDGE!!!!
Yeah, I wonder if it's going to be a guy from a list or one of the Reds' recent draft picks.
I have the modding here covered, tough guy. Focus your anger where it belongs, Aaron Boonediocrity.
Hey. I'm not used to so many Red Sox fans on a Red Sox fan forum posting bad things about the Yankees in the Yankees section.
Never said Park was a bright spot, never said the farm sucks.
And, BTW, my post about the Reds' trade was an honest question -- I didn't understand the trade and Jon Abbey explained it.
Yeah - not until after the WS ends.
I said this a few posts up yesterday:
Kriske and Nelson have options, Cessa and Wilson do not. Even just immediately they needed a spot for Holmes and Abreu just got sent down again which is absurd. See if your guys can pitch or just send them to Chaim now (I think there are 4 pitchers from NY's 2019 system in BOS's now, Whitlock, Ort, Ottavino and German).
I suspect Cashman is trying to purchase as few contracts as possible until after the deadline.
Nice work, both on the prediction and the explanation. Yankees Twitter and Jomboy feel like this clears a little cap room and roster space for a bigger move. Given your explanation, that may just be wishful thinking -- we shall see.
This loophole is evidently gone, Goldstein worked in the Astros front office until recently.
View: https://twitter.com/Kevin_Goldstein/status/1420243317791592450
Damn - TIL.
Rosenthal thinks big moves are coming.
View: https://twitter.com/Ken_Rosenthal/status/1420247403760783364
I know Abbey hated Cessa, but he had been a solid bullpen arm for awhile. I hope he gets a chance to start in Cincinnati. Seems like a good dude.
Justin Wilson was better the first time when he netted us Chad Green.
Justin Wilson was better the first time when he netted us Chad Green.