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That was absolutely beautiful all around. Wow.

I missed the introduction. What’s the story there?
Kid had a brain aneurism his HS freshman year at 13, was told he might not walk again. Dream was to play baseball and he just finished pitching his senior year. Giants are his team, on top of everything else.
 

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Outside of getting stuck with these disasters of hosts on MLB (too lazy to switch to ESPN at this point) I think that they’ve done a pretty good job with the draft in this format.
 

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Gotta think we take a college arm with the 2nd pick. Hill, Nikhazy, Gage make sense.

Could also see us take Del Castillo or Nelson
 

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If you had made a post on page 8 of this thread that you thought Mayer and Hill could be possibly the first two picks for the Sox, you'd have been probably warned to post less silly non-sense. That would be amazing.
 

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If LSU P Jaden Hill is there I’d pay over slot for him. Top 5 talent but suffered TJ this year.
Having taken Mayer, we're unlikely to go over slot in the 2nd round. There's a lot of other teams picking guys for underslot deals; the Sox aren't going to be playing that game this year.
 

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Possible the Sox don't really know what Mayer wants, right? I guess they likely had a quick discusison pre-draft about expectations and perhaps also while on the clock, but this just doesn't seem like a scenario they did a ton of groundwork on.
 

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Possible the Sox don't really know what Mayer wants, right? I guess they likely had a quick discusison pre-draft about expectations and perhaps also while on the clock, but this just doesn't seem like a scenario they did a ton of groundwork on.
Forgive me for not knowing, but what is the leverage situation with Mayer? As in is there any sort of likelihood that he doesn't sign?
 

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Possible the Sox don't really know what Mayer wants, right? I guess they likely had a quick discusison pre-draft about expectations and perhaps also while on the clock, but this just doesn't seem like a scenario they did a ton of groundwork on.
I think that guys' numbers are pretty well-known. Even if we don't know what it is, and even if the Sox thought he'd be off the board, they know his number.
 

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Forgive me for not knowing, but what is the leverage situation with Mayer? As in is there any sort of likelihood that he doesn't sign?
Little I think---both because the slot number is so high, and because I do imagine they have a sense of it already. My point was that they likely haven't gotten quite as specific/committed around it (and the scenarios around it for, example, a likely over-slot guy like Hill later) given the improbability of this scenario occurring. But I really doubt it's much of a risk----the slot value is over $6 mil and it's really, really, really hard to make a case for turning that down and bearing risk for what will be for him what, three years?

A college junior picked that high only bears one year of risk (like Mark Appel) so it's a less bad choice for them. But still a bad one, imo.
 

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Little I think---both because the slot number is so high, and because I do imagine they have a sense of it already. My point was that they likely haven't gotten quite as specific/committed around it (and the scenarios around it for, example, a likely over-slot guy like Hill later) given the improbability of this scenario occurring. But I really doubt it's much of a risk----the slot value is over $6 mil and it's really, really, really hard to make a case for turning that down and bearing risk for what will be for him what, three years?

A college junior picked that high only bears one year of risk (like Mark Appel) so it's a less bad choice for them. But still a bad one, imo.
At #4, they know his number. You don’t draft a player at #4 who you don’t have an outline of an agreement with. They’ve done work on EVERYONE in the top 300. I read something back in late June about the Sox trying to manipulate their way into getting Mayer to fall to them. A player can give different teams different numbers.

As far as leverage, he can go to college and play three years and try to move up, but there are an infinite number of positions below #4 and only 3 above it. The chances are slim that he’d turn in this lottery ticket for another one in three years.
 

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One name that could show up to the Sox in the second or third if they try to sign under slot is FSU catcher Matheu (Mat) Nelson. He’s a Sox fan. Better defender than Davis behind the plate. Had a breakout year in the power department.
 

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At #4, they know his number. You don’t draft a player at #4 who you don’t have an outline of an agreement with. They’ve done work on EVERYONE in the top 300. I read something back in late June about the Sox trying to manipulate their way into getting Mayer to fall to them. A player can give different teams different numbers.

As far as leverage, he can go to college and play three years and try to move up, but there are an infinite number of positions below #4 and only 3 above it. The chances are slim that he’d turn in this lottery ticket for another one in three years.
As I thought I said in the post you quoted, the issue is less that they have no idea than that there are fewer discussions and more uncertainty---both about his true number and about the scenarios for later picks based on it. There is some gamesmanship to the 'ask' for all (as you seem to realize, noting that players give different numbers to different teams) and that is where I'd guess they are situated a bit differently here than if it were, say, Davis who they had many discussions with, we know. But that's just a guess.

I don't think it will matter beyond creating a bit more work/thinking over the next 12 hours for them.
 

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Interesting to see Seattle draft a catcher in the 1st rd the same day their star catching prospect Cal Raleigh made his major league debut.
I don't think that it's a given that Ford stays at C. His athleticism and hit tool carry at multiple positions and the jury is out on his C defense.

Edit: it is interesting though