While the Holliday deal is a fleecing this is a steal for Bucks. Why would Sac do this? Why wouldn’t someone top it?
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Bog is a 3pt sniper that shoots 37% from 3 and plays mediocre defense... they paid for an upgrade on offense (and a downgrade on defense). Bog is a nice player. Hield gets his starting spot back
If this gets Giannis to sign on the line that is dotted then it's worth it, otherwise, nothing much to see here.
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Man, this is all wild. I'm old enough to remember an expiring Kawhi Leonard going for almost 0 value.
I guess the demise of the Warriors has (correctly) convinced a ton of teams that they have a legit shot?
That Brogdon no-deal is looking awful. The heuristic in the NBA should be that, absent a really good reason, you always retain your restricted guys if they have on-court value and are positive-value deals. You figure out the tax part later: there will always be a cap-room team that will facilitate a 3-teamer if necessary.
I guess the demise of the Warriors has (correctly) convinced a ton of teams that they have a legit shot?
That Brogdon no-deal is looking awful. The heuristic in the NBA should be that, absent a really good reason, you always retain your restricted guys if they have on-court value and are positive-value deals. You figure out the tax part later: there will always be a cap-room team that will facilitate a 3-teamer if necessary.
Yep, should have kept El Presidente
I wanted the C's to sign/trade for Brogdon last Summer, instead, Danny opted for Kemba
I wonder if Mil used that Indy 1st they got from Brogdon in the Pels deal?
I do feel for teams in smaller markets that have prodigious talents they can’t hang onto (it’s hard to win a championship!), but this is wild and I can’t help but root for this to blow up in their faces.
Why? So Giannis can go play with LeBron or KD?
Obviously, Giannis gave them their marching orders. Agreed that this is a cascade result from not signing Brogdon but desperate times call for desperate measures. Besides, if Giannis leaves, who in ownership cares if they suck for five years or 10?
How much better do the Bucks have to be, though? They struggled in the bubble, but still finished on pace to win 63 games over a full season.
In a lot of ways, owners brought this issue on themselves. They fought for the max salary and limits on contract length in order to be protected from themselves. Now, as a result, if you're a mid-market team with a super star, you're pretty much always a year away from your star wanting out. So now instead of potentially franchise crippling contracts that could set a team back a decade, we get... potentially franchise crippling trades that could set a team back a decade. I guess from the owner's perspective, at least the franchise crippling trade is cheaper?
Looks like all the big time Eastern players are going to improve. Sigh. Do we have ANY pathways left to add a significant player at this point?
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Per Dallas Morning News reporter Brad Townsend, Gallinari leaning towards a 2 year deal offered by at least 2 Eastern Conference teams.
He has said he is willing to take a pay cut to play for a contender, so full MLE probably gets it done. Heat are the logical destination, but wouldn't mind seeing him in green...
Per Dallas Morning News reporter Brad Townsend, Gallinari leaning towards a 2 year deal offered by at least 2 Eastern Conference teams.
He has said he is willing to take a pay cut to play for a contender, so full MLE probably gets it done. Heat are the logical destination, but wouldn't mind seeing him in green...
Geesh I think the fact that there are no sure stars in this year's draft class is being used for teams (the Bucks in particular) to justify throwing ALL their upcoming picks away. If Giannis walks away next year, whew that will look like the Nets/Celtics trade part 2 in upcoming seasons.
I would think the condensed season plays a big role as well. There's only 5 weeks from the draft to the start of the season with limited camp/pre-season games. And with a tighter regular season schedule, you're also looking at much less practice time. So it's just harder for a rookie, even a very good one, to come in and make an immediate impact. Not impossible, of course, but for this season there is probably a lot more certainty/value in signing established players.
I think this is one of the contingencies the C's have laid out, in the event they really don't know which way Hayward is leaning, or if there is a sign-and-trade teed up. If Hayward stays, I don't know if Gallinari would be convinced to accept a more minor role with the Celtics to be on a contender as opposed to an equally minor role on the Heat for instance. Based on numbers alone, Gallinari is an upgrade from Hayward for 3-point shooting and rebounding (edge in height). I have never seen Danilo play for long stretches, but my sense is you give up a lot from Hayward in court awareness and facilitation. He is more an inside/outside player than Hayward who can play the mid-range and help bust a zone defense around the foul line area. But on the other hand maybe the C's think this will create an opening for more drives from the Js and Kemba.
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The year is 2025. Sam Presti and David Griffin stare at one another, the only two people in the room while Adam Silver draws lottery balls.
The year is 2025. Sam Presti and David Griffin stare at one another, the only two people in the room while Adam Silver draws lottery balls.
Well it isn't really about topping it since he's a RFA. He chose where he wanted to go. But yeah, If I were SAC I honestly would have said.... nah, not enough, go find an offer sheet.
Word is they have a much higher valuation on Donte, but... yeah.
Teams aren't even allowed to officially talk to free agents yet, right? How the hell can the league approve a Bogdanovich trade when he and MIL can't even discuss parameters of an offer sheet?
Right, which is why I said top it---while the player controls where he signs and offer sheet the team controls whether it will make the deal, so my understanding is they work together on these.
Certainly, there exist situations where the player won't go to someone the team wants a deal with....and Milwaukee may be appealing to the player here....but it doesn't feel like a big return at all to me.
Technically how they would say it worked is that MIL called SAC about a trade, SAC told his agent that they had an offer to trade him if he was interested in signing at $X and going to Milwaukee. In reality... yeah nobody follows the rules.
I agree it's light, but SAC isn't really taking offers for him since he's a FA. Basically his agent likely said... he is going to MIL if you want to trade him, otherwise he'll sign with ATL for a number we know you don't want to match.
My guess is that the team didn't want him back at the 15-16M he's signing for, given how much they have on the books for Hield.
Because it's funny when teams mess up horribly. Not going to sweat a superteam. They'll happen either way and they tend to be good for the league's popularity.
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Jrue trade picks....
2020 1st
unprotected 2025 and 2027 1sts
Swaps in 2024 and 2026
In order to make it work, MIL also trades a 2nd to CLE to remove the protections from the 2022 1st they owe.
Jrue trade picks....
2020 1st
unprotected 2025 and 2027 1sts
Swaps in 2024 and 2026
In order to make it work, MIL also trades a 2nd to CLE to remove the protections from the 2022 1st they owe.
It's interesting, basically they got picks for when Giannis' next deal will be expiring. Betting against them being able to build around Giannis, so either he's gone, or you're getting picks when he's in his 30s taking up a huge chunk of the cap, and Bogdanovic, Middleton and Jrue are either gone or mid-30s.
Milwaukee is getting a lot of flak for these deals but the reality is that Horst's hands are tied.
As far as decisions go, this is as binary as it gets. If Giannis stays, these trades are winners and if the Bucks win a championship all the better. But if Giannis doesn't stay, Horst isn't there to clean up the mess on the backside. That Edens signed off on such a levered play either is very on brand for him as a optimistic investor or completely out of character for someone who has a background in risk management.
Also, I think that given the magnitude of the trade, it’s highly likely that Giannis approved it, which makes me really think they have reason to believe he’s staying and I don’t think they make this deal if they don’t. I think they’re a better team than they were yesterday, and the real losers of this deal are the Warriors, Heat, Mavs or potential other Giannis suitors.
Completely agreed. That said, Giannis saying he will stay and actually staying are two different things of course.
It's also a proactive move for dealing with the fanbase. If Giannis leaves, the team is probably going to suck for years regardless (albeit, they would have the draft picks to rebuild with) but now if Giannis does leave, Milwaukee's front office can say with a straight face that they tried absolutely everything to try and retain Giannis, and Giannis would be the bad guy for wanting out after Milwaukee sacrificed everything for him.
This seems unlikely. Jrue Holiday is a clear upgrade over Bledsoe/Hill and Bogdanovich is a great get especially considering they lost some shooting with Hill being traded.
The Bucks now have 6 players on their roster and are hardcapped. I don’t see how this ends well.
STOP THE CAP!
(I got that from twitter).
Maybe this has one silver lining - Budenholzer will have to play Giannis more than 30 minutes in the playoffs.
(I got that from twitter).
They actually have 7 - Giannis, Middleton, Holiday, Justin James (from SAC), Bogdanovic, Thanasis Antetokounmpo and Brook Lopez - and $15M to fill the roster.
Maybe this has one silver lining - Budenholzer will have to play Giannis more than 30 minutes in the playoffs.
Finding veteran minimum guys to fill out the roster in this bizarro offseason shouldn't be too hard. There's no scenario where they can't roster 15, is there?
Same thing was said about the Lakers last year after trading away half their roster for AD
Jrue and Bogdan aren't exactly AD, but the Bucks really only need two guys to fill out a playoff rotation which shouldn't be too hard. Regular season record may suffer, especially if they keep star minutes limited, but that won't matter much in the playoffs.
Yeah, Alex Antetokounmpo. He's a 6'7" wing with a giant wingspan. I think he's supposed to be playing in Spain next year.
Anthony Puccio is pretty plugged into all things Nets and while not official yet he reports that the Nets and Rockets have a "verbal agreement" to sent Harden to the Nets.
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If you're Houston does your desire to dump Westbrook go up, down, or not change now? You aren't a contender, but then again you don't have your own picks so little value to bottoming out either.
Presumably he can go back to being "Russell with the ball all the time" in the post-Harden era.
Presumably he can go back to being "Russell with the ball all the time" in the post-Harden era.
I've been wondering if we'd start seeing this kind of pressure on conservative owners. Hard to imagine players wanting to play for the Devos's.
Who is playing defense on that team? I get the appeal, but the Kyrie/Harden back court might be the worst defensive pairing the league has ever seen...At least from an effort standpoint.
Harden is not the black hole that he once was.
Kyrie still is and may be worse now.
Will Houston even attempt to do a deal with Philly considering that there may be some bad blood with Morey?