2020 TB12: The Decision 2020
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Looks likes he’s going to do some TB12 stretching then eat some TB12 ‘cados.
brady is gone I will happy eat crow if he stays but Tenn and MIA look to be 1 and 2 with vegas 3
the only q is in Tenn couild brady handle just throwing 25 times a game
the best move for brady is vegas because Hunter rehfow is a young wes welker dallan waller is a top 5 TE Tyrell Williams is better outside than any outside wr NE has had in 3-4 years they have a good pass blocking OL Jacobs couild be a 1'200 yard back in their off he can make all their throws if vegas gets brady they win the afc west if they don't they are 3rd
the only q is in Tenn couild brady handle just throwing 25 times a game
the best move for brady is vegas because Hunter rehfow is a young wes welker dallan waller is a top 5 TE Tyrell Williams is better outside than any outside wr NE has had in 3-4 years they have a good pass blocking OL Jacobs couild be a 1'200 yard back in their off he can make all their throws if vegas gets brady they win the afc west if they don't they are 3rd
Why do you think Miami is 2? They've already committed to Fitzpatrick and likely wouldn't have the team around Brady down there to compete for a SB. I would think LA Chargers or even Chicago (if they're willing to move off of Trubisky, which they should) would be higher up.
I get that.
Still, it's not like the talent they have + Brady will suddenly get them to a Super Bowl (or even the Playoffs). Are they going to pay Brady $25M when they can pay Fitz $8M and get 75-80% of his production?
I bet they would gladly do that. It severely weakens the Pats and he’d be the perfect 1-2 year bridge if they draft Tua. He also makes Miami a much more attractive location for FAs than Fitz.
It would basically be the F You option for Brady. The fan boy in me obviously hopes it doesn’t come to this.
It would also give the ~20K Pats fans who go to the game in Miami every year severe cognitive dissonance.
Am I the only one around who has no problem with TB12 moving on? The GOAT will be 43 in August. What will we really accomplish if he's back for another year or two? We need to find our QB for the next ten years.
If you're looking for a QB for the next 10 years, that's a draft pick. Brady staying or leaving doesn't really change that, unless you think BB will draft differently if Brady stays.
I guess it comes down to whether or not one thinks the Pats with Brady have one more run in them. I think with some help on offense, this team would have a chance to make another Super Bowl with Brady. It won’t be easy as it seems like every decision and move went against the Pats last year, but BB can do it.
Now if one believes that the run is over and Brady and BB can’t win another one together, it would probably be time to move on.
TL;DR Brady isn’t the main reason the Pats aren’t playing this Sunday.
I think a two year deal and prioritizing the successor with everyone on the same page gets both objectives done. Sell Tom on his legacy of playing to 45, helping build the next great QB in New England, an heir, and successor. Be grander than self - he's always been about team, right? Bring him into this decision process as a value added contribution versus competition.
It's very different, but we're already in new territory, so why not?
Brady's not going to be on board with coming back to a team that has ten different areas of need and also is using one of it's best shots at filling one of those needs to draft a future QB.
If he is, he's an even more amazing team-first guy than we've seen.
Brady's contract voids in March and the draft is in April so he's not going to know how the Patriots will draft before he has to make a decision to re-sign. I'm not sure it matters anyway; tough to find a QB at 23.
As opposed to going to a new team with ten different areas of needs and also is using one of it's best shots at filling one of those needs to draft a future QB? I think we, the talking heads, and especially Don Yee are overestimating the demand for a 43 year old quarterback coming off of a mediocre season. It might put more buts in the seats if you're the Chargers or someone
If they're planning on having Brady mentor a draft choice, they're certainly having that conversation before he re-signs.
His expectation on re-signing has to be that they're making every reasonable effort to build a contender around him.
I'd add that if Miami were to land Brady, Fitz is probably pretty tradeable. To all the teams who might be contenders for Brady that are looking for a seat warmer after drafting their next great hope in the draft (e.g. Chargers or, gulp, Patriots?), or to teams that just want a good back-up for a shaky/fragile starter (e.g. Bears, Titans, Giants, Lions, etc. etc.)
That said, Miami for TB12 would be weird, given that's the one place he has (relatively) struggled over his career.
Yup it sure is. Burrow, Tua, Herbert, and probably Love will all be gone by 23. That leaves you with Jacob Eason or Jake Fromm.
Tough to find a QB who can start immediately at any point in the draft.
But you can find the "QB of the future" anywhere in the draft. The top ten passers in the 2019 NFL were selected:
8th
32nd
18th
102nd
75th
1st
10th
62nd
36th
135th
Mahomes was picked at 10, but IIRC everyone was pretty shocked that the Chiefs traded up, and he went ahead of where he was projected. So yeah, it can happen anywhere.
OK, but it's certainly not going to detract from their ability to build a contender if they use pick 102 or 135 on a QB.
Maybe they do love one of the QBs likely to be available at 23, in which case they're not going to promise Brady they won't take one. I doubt they'd make such a promise anyway.
If Brady does leave, I've settled on who I'd like to see the Pats roll the dice on: Marcus Mariota. He should come very, very cheap. He only turns 27 in October. He was, of course, the #2 pick in the draft. I have no idea if he can become a good or better NFL QB. But I think I'd like to see the Pats give it a shot. Back in 2015 we'd all have been drooling about the possibility of drafting him and having him eventually replace TB12. While I think Bridgewater would be a fine solution, I think they could get Mariota at like 1/4 of the cost.
So yeah, that's where I'd go.
So yeah, that's where I'd go.
Mariota is on the very short list of reasonably plausible reclamation projects, agreed.
My guess is Brady will be pissed if they use any early-mid round picks on a QB this year if he just re-signed. Finding rookie contributors is a volume game.
My guess is Brady will be pissed if they use any early-mid round picks on a QB this year if he just re-signed. Finding rookie contributors is a volume game.
Well, they gave up their 2nd for Sanu. They took a WR with their 1st last year. He can't say they didn't put draft capital towards a receiver.
I'm guessing they are going to trade down and try to help make up for the absence of a 2nd unless there is a QB there they like at 23.
I'm guessing they are going to trade down and try to help make up for the absence of a 2nd unless there is a QB there they like at 23.
If they roll with Brady I'd rather they just develop Stidham another year behind him
OTOH the Titans' offense was much, much better once they swapped out Mariota for Tannehill. The evidence suggests Mariota is much worse than Ryan Tannehill. So I'm having trouble with the idea of adding MM.
If the best case for a guy is "weird things happen," that's not much of a case. Mariota has been mostly pretty terrible as a pro.
Tannehill with Miami:
62.8%, 7.0 Y/A, 4.2% TD, 2.6% INT, 6.7 AY/A, 87.0 rating, 5.87 NY/A
Tannehill with Tennessee:
70.3%, 9.6 Y/A, 7.7% TD, 2.1% INT, 10.2 AY/A, 117.5 rating, 7.98 NY/A
Mariota:
62.9%, 7.5 Y/A, 4.3% TD, 2.5%, 7.2 AY/A, 89.6 rating, 6.36 NY/A
Mariota's stats look very, very similar to Tannehill's with Miami (slightly better across the board, actually). If Mariota has been mostly pretty terrible, then so had Tannehill heading into this season.
The stats overrate Mariota I think (it did not translate into points for the Titans for the most part), but you're right, Tannehill was nothing special in Miami. Which makes it extra concerning that with the same supporting cast he was a night-and-day difference from what Mariota was giving them.
EDIT: to elaborate, there definitely are guys in bad situations who can benefit from change-of-scenery. But Tannehill's success strongly suggests the scenery wasn't the problem in Tennessee; the problem was Mariota.
Or the Titans caught lightning in a bottle, unless you think this is Tannehill's true talent level.
Look, I don't think Mariota will ever become a very good QB. But I think there's at least a chance. Whereas with someone like Teddy Bridgewater... I don't see it.
I don't, but I do think it also suggests there's a really good supporting cast there and Mariota was the one holding them back.
I mean, say what you want about Andy Dalton, but at least he's been effective when he's had good pieces around him. That's more than we can say for Mariota.
Bridgewater is only a year older than Mariota and has only started six games since his age-23 season. The uncertainty bars are bigger on both sides with him. He also played significantly better than Mariota in 2019 in similar playing time.
Was he significantly better? Or better weapons? Let's remember Derrick Henry didn't turn it on until the second half
Teddy: 67.9%, 7.1 Y/A, 4.6% TD, 1.0% INT, 99.1 rating, 7.5 AY/A, 6.23 NY/A
Marcus: 59.4%, 7.5 Y/A, 4.4% TD, 1.3% INT, 92.3 rating, 7.8 AY/A, 5.62 NY/A
He completed more passes, but was captain checkdown. I would hardly say he was significantly better. YMMV.
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