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A good road win for the Sixers, nice run here with consecutive wins over Toronto, Denver, Boston. They probably have turned the corner.
Embiid looked inspired after the Shaq/Barkley roasting.
Mike Scott was huge going 5-7 from the 3pt line.
Thybulle continues to impress
50% 14-28 as team from 3, 19-23 FT probably their best shooting night of the season

Have to think/hope from C's perspective that Marcus Smart disrupts that shooting or in the very least works the officials a bit more.
I don't think I'm going out on a limb to suggest that the Sixers won't shoot 50% from 3 in most games.

I actually thought there were more ways than I thought to attack this particular Sixers defense, even though they are quite good. It just requires more focus/gameplanning than is probably realistic to expect in an early December back-to-back.
 

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I don't think I'm going out on a limb to suggest that the Sixers won't shoot 50% from 3 in most games.

I actually thought there were more ways than I thought to attack this particular Sixers defense, even though they are quite good. It just requires more focus/gameplanning than is probably realistic to expect in an early December back-to-back.
Embiid sagged back, leaving wide open 15' shots for Theis/Kanter. In the halfcourt, I'm thrilled to settle for that as the 3rd or 4th option.
 

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Embiid sagged back, leaving wide open 15' shots for Theis/Kanter. In the halfcourt, I'm thrilled to settle for that as the 3rd or 4th option.
There was a lot more in the first half before the Celtics got tired (pretty common for the 2nd half in a B2B). Kemba was ripping some pretty big holes in the Sixers that should be consistently available. The unsustainable 1st half 3-pt shooting by Philly masked a pretty bad half by them. I imagine all of this is why Brad didn't seem particularly perturbed after the game (he's usually a pretty open book wrt process vs results).
 

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The Athletic today points out Embiid had 19 touches in the post, up from his average of 11.. Shockingly, zero turnovers on those 19. Only two all game.
For the season, 76ers have a backup rotation that averages a plus rating without Embiid on the floor. They have a strong combo of Horford, Harris, Simmons and Thybulle. Last year, they leaked oil badly without Embiid’s interior defense.
Thybulle is shooting 61 percent over last 13 games from beyond the arc.
That was a rare focused effort by Philly on the road last night. Barkley and Shaq got Embiid‘s attention, and he listened.
 
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There was a lot more in the first half before the Celtics got tired (pretty common for the 2nd half in a B2B). Kemba was ripping some pretty big holes in the Sixers that should be consistently available. The unsustainable 1st half 3-pt shooting by Philly masked a pretty bad half by them. I imagine all of this is why Brad didn't seem particularly perturbed after the game (he's usually a pretty open book wrt process vs results).
yep. Kemba off the high screens/dribble, whichever wing Harris/Scott/Ennis guard is exploitable, open 3s were all there in the halfcourt offense. Tatum/Brown will continue to improve. All doesn't bode well for the vaunted 76ers defense down the road.

Defensively, The Celtics need their guards to be strong enough to snatch the ball from Embiid or disrupt his rhythm when the C's double. Smart's specialty.

By seasons end or next season at the latest the balance of power will shift to the C's IMO. Not terribly concerned either.
 
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They came to play, for certain. Thought the C's missed "the Cobra" intensity that Marcus Smart can bring. They showed some heroics closing late but needed more... I hope the C's learn from this.
 

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yep. Kemba off the high screens/dribble, whichever wing Harris/Scott/Ennis guard is exploitable, open 3s were all there in the halfcourt offense. Tatum/Brown will continue to improve. All doesn't bode well for the vaunted 76ers defense down the road.

Defensively, The Celtics need their guards to be strong enough to snatch the ball from Embiid or disrupt his rhythm when the C's double. Smart's specialty.

By seasons end or next season at the latest the balance of power will shift to the C's IMO. Not terribly concerned either.
Right, this is the part where I'd give the Celtics the edge in a playoff series, just because Stevens is good at designing gameplans to relentlessly attack weak links. You can't really install that when you're flying in from Indy the night before. 16-game and 82-game NBA basketball are almost different sports.

I do think Philly is good; this isn't meant to discredit what they do. They absolutely could come out of the East, and I really want to see their Bucks games this season.
 

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Good learning experience last night. Lots of good sprinkled in with the bad. If they did a slightly better job turning over Philly and getting out, it would have been a lot easier of a game to close. Sixers are a damn good team, but I still give us a solid chance in a series.
 

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A key for Philly going forward will be Horford’s health. Nursing a sore knee and hamstring already, 26 games into the regular season. Embiid spoke again last night about how Horford can lighten his load. Embiid carried injuries into the past two playoff campaigns. The goal this season is to have them both healthy for the playoffs.

Philly’s bench is deeper than last season, when the second unit got torched. Thybulle replaces TJ McConnell. Ennis and Scott are here for the entire season. Kyle O’Quinn is a decent third big man.

People are already advocating for Ainge to bring in another center. Theis and Kanter had their moments last night against Embiid. Who’s out there that would fit into Brad’s system, and Danny’s overall plan?
 

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A key for Philly going forward will be Horford’s health. Nursing a sore knee and hamstring already, 26 games into the regular season. Embiid spoke again last night about how Horford can lighten his load. Embiid carried injuries into the past two playoff campaigns. The goal this season is to have them both healthy for the playoffs.

Philly’s bench is deeper than last season, when the second unit got torched. Thybulle replaces TJ McConnell. Ennis and Scott are here for the entire season. Kyle O’Quinn is a decent third big man.

People are already advocating for Ainge to bring in another center. Theis and Kanter had their moments last night against Embiid. Who’s out there that would fit into Brad’s system, and Danny’s overall plan?
Yeah, the center topic has been gone over a lot. There's basically no one who's a real upgrade who can be gotten without using Smart to match salary. Also complicating things is that Theis has been too good to trade at $5M/year. The perfect guy would have been Baynes, but apparently they found out about Kemba's interested after they had already worked with him to pick up his team option, so that's out for the year.

If I had to guess, I think they're OKish with what Kanter can do against Embiid, especially given that Theis is totally fine against every other Eastern Conference matchup. For Embiid, they probably would rather use Marcus Smart as part of a team defensive plan than trade Smart for a center just to match up with Embiid.

As for Horford...we'll see on the health. It was already becoming an issue towards the end of his Celtics tenure, which is why I didn't want him re-upped at the money he got.
 

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Watched a bit of the Heat game last night. Apparently the Heat went into a zone in the 2Q and that really bothered PHI. PHI didn't seem to attack it well when I watched (last part of 2Q into part of the 4Q).

Also, MIA was beating PHI backdoor several times. Had this neat play where they stacked two guys on the wing and had one cut backdoor and then second player cut backdoor immediately afterwards for a layup.
 

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Watched a bit of the Heat game last night. Apparently the Heat went into a zone in the 2Q and that really bothered PHI. PHI didn't seem to attack it well when I watched (last part of 2Q into part of the 4Q).

Also, MIA was beating PHI backdoor several times. Had this neat play where they stacked two guys on the wing and had one cut backdoor and then second player cut backdoor immediately afterwards for a layup.
OK, now I need to go watch this. One of my predictions before the season was that teams would attack Philly's lack of shooting by zoning to take away Embiid. Miami also doesn't have tons of bulk (Adebayo is strong, but he's a PF, not Marc Gasol; the Celtics are probably a more athletic/physical team), so there could be a blueprint here for smaller teams.
 

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OK, now I need to go watch this. One of my predictions before the season was that teams would attack Philly's lack of shooting by zoning to take away Embiid. Miami also doesn't have tons of bulk (Adebayo is strong, but he's a PF, not Marc Gasol; the Celtics are probably a more athletic/physical team), so there could be a blueprint here for smaller teams.
Here's one of many articles on the subject: https://www.crossingbroad.com/2019/12/adventures-with-zone-defense-observations-from-heat-108-sixers-104.html
 

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Watched a bit of the Heat game last night. Apparently the Heat went into a zone in the 2Q and that really bothered PHI. PHI didn't seem to attack it well when I watched (last part of 2Q into part of the 4Q).

Also, MIA was beating PHI backdoor several times. Had this neat play where they stacked two guys on the wing and had one cut backdoor and then second player cut backdoor immediately afterwards for a layup.
Heat has been effectively using the 2-3 zone this season, especially when they have length at the top with Derrick Jones/Butler.

It was very effective versus the 76ers last night and turned the game around in the 2nd quarter. Sixers became very tentative and their dribble drives were stalled.

An indicator of the 2-3 working or not working is early in the clock paint touches.
1. If an offense can get the ball into the hands of a good passer at the FT line, early in the shot clock, the 2-3 is toast.
2. If the offense goes passive, wastes shot clock time, and swings the ball around the perimeter then the 2-3 will work.

A guy like Jayson Tatum at the top of a 2-3 would be awesome. He anticipates well with his length which would lead to many steals and easy transition baskets.

Thats been my Cuse experience watching the 2-3 Zone up close for 40yrs
 

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Drunk Kevin O'Connor with the piping hot take:

View: https://twitter.com/KevinOConnorNBA/status/1208240897512620033?s=20


(I personally think Simmons is an amazing player, way better than advertised on defense, who's been victimized by poor roster construction.)

Also, lineups with Horford at center are giving up 65% shooting at the rim, and his knee is already acting up. Pretty happy to have no part of that contract (as I was when it was signed).
 
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Drunk Kevin O'Connor with the piping hot take:

View: https://twitter.com/KevinOConnorNBA/status/1208240897512620033?s=20


(I personally think Simmons is an amazing player, way better than advertised on defense, who's been victimized by poor roster construction.)

Also, lineups with Horford at center are giving up 65% shooting at the rim, and his knee is already acting up. Pretty happy to have no part of that contract (as I was when it was signed).
Simmons has been great on defense this season. But critics are saying that Brett Brown chose Ben and Tobias over Jimmy Butler in the off-season. Worked out well for Jimmy. Philly still seems disjointed on offense and Embiid’s body language last night was that of a frustrated big man.
At some point, Brown has to respond to the lack of cohesion on offense. Too many possessions end up winding down the shot clock and then throwing up a late shot, or turning it over. This looks like Brown’s last season in Philly unless he fixes the offense.
Horford‘s shooting is off this season. On defense, he seems less active, perhaps due to the bad knee. At this point, he seems on the downside of his career, which I think Celtics fans saw last season when Al‘s output on offense became a bit inconsistent.
Philly is hard to watch right now. They have been streaky good and streaky bad at times. Their effort varies from game to game, which is usually on the coach.
I could see ownership stepping in and forcing a Simmons trade if one were available, maybe in the off-season after an early exit from the playoffs.
btw, Brown benched Thybulle last night after a rough first half. Hardaway Jr. burned him badly. Trey Burke took his minutes in the second half. 14 minutes for Matisse, minus 22.
 

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Also, lineups with Horford at center are giving up 65% shooting at the rim, and his knee is already acting up. Pretty happy to have no part of that contract
Agree. Al had a so-so line from last night and played the least minutes (25) of all the starters and was a -14. He's just gotten too rickety; it was obvious last year when the guy was so springy and fresh in games after getting an extra few days off. I was more concerned about the Celtics at center position earlier, but Theis has really stepped up and Kanter isn't bad on defense against slower, bulkier centers.
 

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Simmons has been great on defense this season. But critics are saying that Brett Brown chose Ben and Tobias over Jimmy Butler in the off-season. Worked out well for Jimmy. Philly still seems disjointed on offense and Embiid’s body language last night was that of a frustrated big man.
At some point, Brown has to respond to the lack of cohesion on offense. Too many possessions end up winding down the shot clock and then throwing up a late shot, or turning it over. This looks like Brown’s last season in Philly unless he fixes the offense.
Horford‘s shooting is off this season. On defense, he seems less active, perhaps due to the bad knee. At this point, he seems on the downside of his career, which I think Celtics fans saw last season when Al‘s output on offense became a bit inconsistent.
Philly is hard to watch right now. They have been streaky good and streaky bad at times. Their effort varies from game to game, which is usually on the coach.
I could see ownership stepping in and forcing a Simmons trade if one were available, maybe in the off-season after an early exit from the playoffs.
btw, Brown benched Thybulle last night after a rough first half. Hardaway Jr. burned him badly. Trey Burke took his minutes in the second half. 14 minutes for Matisse, minus 22.
Ugh, I get the frustration, but it just feels wrong to blame Brown for the groceries he's been given. It's like Brad last year--giving him Rozier, Morris, and Kyrie just destroyed any ability he had to gameplan or develop an offensive identity.
 

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I would love to see Simmons on a non-Embiid team Simmons' problem is that defers completely to Embiid and as a result, there's no role from him.

Caught the 2nd half of last night's game. Mavs played zone. They were putting Embiid at the foul line or on the wing and Embiid took way too many jumpers. You would think Harris would feast against a zone but he disappeared. No one on PHI could shoot with any consistency.

On defense, Hardaway and Curry weren't bothered at all by PHI's length and Brunson went wherever he wanted. I was watching the Cs-Mavs at the same time and DAL seemed to be playing much freer on offense against PHI than against BOS.

And hard to believe PHI fans are continuing to boo.
 

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On defense, Hardaway and Curry weren't bothered at all by PHI's length and Brunson went wherever he wanted. I was watching the Cs-Mavs at the same time and DAL seemed to be playing much freer on offense against PHI than against BOS.
Not shocking: Boston is an awful matchup for Dallas (even with Luka).
 

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I would love to see Simmons on a non-Embiid team Simmons' problem is that defers completely to Embiid and as a result, there's no role from him.

Caught the 2nd half of last night's game. Mavs played zone. They were putting Embiid at the foul line or on the wing and Embiid took way too many jumpers. You would think Harris would feast against a zone but he disappeared. No one on PHI could shoot with any consistency.
They are a poorly constructed team, but I think that you hit the nail on the head with the Simmons/Embiid mismatch.

They don't have an identity. Sometimes they're moving the ball and look amazing. Their length is great, and they can play suffocating defense. Embiid can look truly dominant. But other times, the offense stagnates. Harris disappears, and Simmons is relegated to backseat driver to Embiid. Embiid kills the clock.

Sometimes they're bullies, and sometimes they check out and go through the motions.
 

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anytime Elton Brand wants Santa Bob to hand-deliver D.Lo/draft picks/ex-Nova greats for Ben Simmons just pick up the phone.

Good to hear Thybulle struggled. I was gathering some Matisse-envy until Grant Williams, SEC 2x POY, went off last night.
 

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Not shocking: Boston is an awful matchup for Dallas (even with Luka).
Porzingis surprised me last night with his strength and power moves for dunks. Haven’t seen him in a couple years. He’s a man now, and averaging 22 ppg since Luka got hurt. That’s a great 1-2 punch with plenty of quality spare parts.

As for Philly, there seem to be some internal issues this season. Frustration over the offensive woes. They can either band together or turn against each other. Embiid set a bunch of personal goals this season and is falling short. Down from 27 ppg to 22. Despite this, he has collected 40 rebounds in the past two games.
 

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How did Philly do against the zone today? The 21 3pt shots made tells me they had no problem.
I read in The Atlantic that Milwaukee does not play a zone. Looked like a man D game today for both sides. Embiid started out on Giannis and guarded him closely all game.
 

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How did Philly do against the zone today? The 21 3pt shots made tells me they had no problem.
Everything looks good when you're making shots, but they also missed a ton of good looks against Dallas iirc. I don't think the zone is a substitute for playing smart, connected help defense.

The real revelation was Embiid on Giannis. He completely dominated him, and Milwaukee doesn't have many other healthy sources of offense. The final score makes them look better than it was.
 

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The real revelation was Embiid on Giannis. He completely dominated him, and Milwaukee doesn't have many other healthy sources of offense. The final score makes them look better than it was.
I'll say. Giannis was -18 for the game, his worst +/- since game 1 of the EC semis vs. Boston in April.
 

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The top six teams in the East vs. one another

SIXERS: 6-2
HEAT: 3-2
CELTICS: 4-3
BUCKS: 3-3
PACERS: 2-3
RAPTORS: 1-6
 

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Sixers without Embiid get blown out at the Pacers, after being down by 24 points at halftime. AL with 5 points in 29 minutes on 2-12 shooting, 1-6 from three, three rebounds, two assists, and a minus26.

Three straight losses after six straight wins. 19 points total on 26 shots in the three losses by Horford.
 

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Ben Simmons has another game with 0 3PAs. 3 weeks (and 11 games) since his last attempt. Either he can't make them at all in practice, or he's a massive coward. This is a problem.
 

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That Horford contract is going to be a nightmare for Philly. Sometimes it's better to be lucky than Good. Ainge wanted to keep Horford, and lucky for the C's he wanted to join Philly instead.
 

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It's scary how great a fit Kemba would have been in Philly. (No evidence that he wanted to go there, but they were already pretty locked into Harris.)
 

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That Horford contract is going to be a nightmare for Philly.
Yeah, ugly line last night: 2 for 12 shooting. I would think more concerning for Philly would be his modest 3 rebounds and 2 assists in almost 30 minutes (also he was a -26). It wasn't pretty watching him get stuffed by Sabonis; if he can't loft a hook shot over a guy averaging 0.6 blocks per game, what can he do? I think the 76ers may have pulled off a Nets move, eagerly acquiring a Celtics big man on the decline.
 

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The worry with Philly now is that there's a real chance they could fall to the 6th seed and be our 1st round matchup, or at least be on that side of the bracket. Obviously the best is for them to be 4th or 5th, which seems the most likely.
 

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Horford says that he hasn't found his "rhythm" with the team and he's "limited" what he can do offensively. https://www.inquirer.com/sixers/philadelphia-sixers-keith-pompey-al-horford-joel-embiid-tobias-harris-josh-richardson-ben-simmons-20191231.html

On a similar note, several Sixer players note that the locker room lacks "accountability": https://www.inquirer.com/sixers/philadelphia-sixers-josh-richardson-tobias-harris-ben-simmons-joel-embiid-indiana-pacers-20200101.html. It will be interesting to see how hard they can play throughout the playoffs.

As for Al, must be hard for a guy who is such a good teammate to go through a second year of a team that has a lot of redundant parts.
 
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It's still pretty early in his contract. I think they'll figure out a way to utilize him better. They pretty much have to. But, it's unfortunate for him that he's off to a rough start in what I imagine he figured would be a much happier environment.
 

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Horford says that he hasn't found his "rhythm" with the team and he's "limited" what he can do offensively. https://www.inquirer.com/sixers/philadelphia-sixers-keith-pompey-al-horford-joel-embiid-tobias-harris-josh-richardson-ben-simmons-20191231.html

On a similar note, several Sixer players note that the locker room lacks "accountability": https://www.inquirer.com/sixers/philadelphia-sixers-josh-richardson-tobias-harris-ben-simmons-joel-embiid-indiana-pacers-20200101.html. It will be interesting to see how hard they can play throughout the playoffs.

As for Al, must be hard for a guy who is such a good teammate to go through a second year of a team that has a lot of redundant parts.
I'd feel worse for him if he didn't, quite literally, have the ability to fully pick his destination this past summer. This is on him to a large degree--everyone knew Philly would have these offensive fit issues going into the year.

(To be clear, I didn't like his contract when it was signed, I do like Al, and am fine with how everything shook out.)
 

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It's scary how great a fit Kemba would have been in Philly. (No evidence that he wanted to go there, but they were already pretty locked into Harris.)
I don't know, how does he play with Simmons? Both are at their best with the ball in their hand, so long as Simmons is the primary ballhandler, Kemba would largely be relegated to an off-ball spot up shooter. He'd be good in that position, but very overpaid.
 

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I don't know, how does he play with Simmons? Both are at their best with the ball in their hand, so long as Simmons is the primary ballhandler, Kemba would largely be relegated to an off-ball spot up shooter. He'd be good in that position, but very overpaid.
Think he'd be fine--he actually does a lot of off-ball work for the Celtics, as well as doing initial probes that open things up for slashers. The Sixers' big weakness is that they don't really have an on-ball creator who is an emergency from 3 off the PnR. That allows slow bigs like Kanter to be playable against them, among other things.
 

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Sixers just look to me like a team that needs to deal one of their top 4 guys. The presence of Simmons makes Horford less valuable than he might be elsewhere. They have $120M tied up in 4 guys for foreseeable future so there’s zero flexibility here. Ownership is smitten with Simmons so they won’t do anything but he’s the guy I’d deal. Could get a ton for him.