2019 TB12: Everyday Is Like Sunday

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First real bad game for Tom this season. They play the dumpster fire Skins next, so things should be easier next week.
And then the tire fire Giants' secondary the following week with four days to prepare.
 

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It's clockwork for these guys. Brady has a bad game (and while it may be the poorest, I doubt it's the last bad game he has this season) they pile on, say he's done, yada, yada, yada.......then the Pats click and go on a January run. All the while, these guys never have to answer for anything. It's literally the only reason anybody pays attention to the Kellerman's and Parker's of the world. They know Patriots fans are rabid and can get all the attention they want by saying this stuff.
 

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Kellerman is on doing his same schtick that Brady is just a game manager now. ‍♂
Ask Kellerman "So what if he is," and he'll wet his pants and ball up his little fists and call you names. Maybe if Mahomes and Goff were better game managers their teams would have won the Super Bowl. (Yes, that's stupid. But what language other than "stupid" can you use with Kellerman?)
 

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What is really interesting about the scouting reports is that for the most part, they seemed to get Brady right in terms of what he can and can't do, how hard he was willing to work and his leadership skills.

It was just that, no one truly valued his strengths or saw what they could do when it all came together.
It also makes you wonder if Brady becomes Brady the GOAT if he ends up on SF or another team that isn't willing to basically redshirt him like the Pats did as the 4th QB on the roster.
I feel like I've read somewhere that one of BB's tenets as a coach is to put your players in a position where they can do what they do best. It seems obvious, but to many coaches and managers try to reshape players into something they are not, instead of letting them be what they are.
 

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TB followed Keenan Allen yesterday on IG!!!

OMG we're getting Diggs and Allen.
 

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On Inside the NFL, they showed the Josh Allen hit and then Ray Lewis, doing his "serious" thing says "Tell me what would happen if that was Brady and not Allen?? Tell me."

Simms says, "Well, the flag would be out." Ray responds, "Exactly" and the other dude says "We all know it's a double standard."

HEY GUYS, THERE WAS A FUCKING FLAG ON THE PLAY YOU ABSOLUTE DOLTS.
 

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On Inside the NFL, they showed the Josh Allen hit and then Ray Lewis, doing his "serious" thing says "Tell me what would happen if that was Brady and not Allen?? Tell me."

Simms says, "Well, the flag would be out." Ray responds, "Exactly" and the other dude says "We all know it's a double standard."

HEY GUYS, THERE WAS A FUCKING FLAG ON THE PLAY YOU ABSOLUTE DOLTS.
Of all people to be questioning a double standard when it comes to violence.
 

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Not sure where to put this. My oldest daughter teaches gymnastics at a local gym. She got to work this morning and was informed that Vivian Brady is going to be in one of her classes today. My youngest daughter will be in the same class. So all morning long I’ve been drilling it into my youngest that she has to make friends with the little girl named Vivian in her class. Obviously Tom won’t be there but I’m hoping for a Giselle sighting. Yes I am in my late 40s and pathetic.
 

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Not sure where to put this. My oldest daughter teaches gymnastics at a local gym. She got to work this morning and was informed that Vivian Brady is going to be in one of her classes today. My youngest daughter will be in the same class. So all morning long I’ve been drilling it into my youngest that she has to make friends with the little girl named Vivian in her class. Obviously Tom won’t be there but I’m hoping for a Giselle sighting. Yes I am in my late 40s and pathetic.
As pathetic as I am rooting for your daughter?
 

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Not sure where to put this. My oldest daughter teaches gymnastics at a local gym. She got to work this morning and was informed that Vivian Brady is going to be in one of her classes today. My youngest daughter will be in the same class. So all morning long I’ve been drilling it into my youngest that she has to make friends with the little girl named Vivian in her class. Obviously Tom won’t be there but I’m hoping for a Giselle sighting. Yes I am in my late 40s and pathetic.
Even if they don’t become friends, make sure to invite Vivian to your daughters birthday party, so the Brady’s feel like they have to return the favor.
 

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Even if they don’t become friends, make sure to invite Vivian to your daughters birthday party, so the Brady’s feel like they have to return the favor.
And her birthday is during the Pats bye week.

RIGHT???
 

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Update: she came to an earlier class. Youngest daughter missed her, oldest daughter saw her, but she was in a different class. She’s with her nanny. Still probably the closest I’ll come to someone in TB12’s universe.
 

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Even if they don’t become friends, make sure to invite Vivian to your daughters birthday party, so the Brady’s feel like they have to return the favor.
The real question: Will Vivian bring her own cake to the party?
 

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Update: she came to an earlier class. Youngest daughter missed her, oldest daughter saw her, but she was in a different class. She’s with her nanny. Still probably the closest I’ll come to someone in TB12’s universe.
I would be shocked if this sort of change of time wasn't standard procedure by the celebrity crowd for just this sort of reason. Sorry you missed out on your brush with the TB12 meteor.
 

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On Inside the NFL, they showed the Josh Allen hit and then Ray Lewis, doing his "serious" thing says "Tell me what would happen if that was Brady and not Allen?? Tell me."

Simms says, "Well, the flag would be out." Ray responds, "Exactly" and the other dude says "We all know it's a double standard."

HEY GUYS, THERE WAS A FUCKING FLAG ON THE PLAY YOU ABSOLUTE DOLTS.
No fine for Jones. Bunch of sanctimonious assholes.
 

DJnVa

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No fine for Jones. Bunch of sanctimonious assholes.
I think they point they wanted to make was that if Brady was hit like that, then the guy would be ejected and suspended. But that's not what they said.

But, we know everyone thinks Brady gets all the calls and a guy like Cam never does, when it's actually not the case. But "experts" getting shit wrong just multiplies the public's ignorance.
 

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Pretty sure Ralphwiggums kid has to take ALL the gymnastics classes to cover for potential changes. Tell her to DO HER JOB.

Worst case, she becomes a really really good gymnast
 

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I really hope Tom gets these last few yards on one big play to start the first drive, so the opening of the broadcast includes him passing Manning for career yards. A 20 yard reception to Edelman seems about right.
 

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If he rushes for 4 yards or more, doesn't he also set the all-time record for rushing yards by a 42 year old?
 

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Brady is on pace for this season's line:

378-598 (63.1%), 4,508 yds, 32 td, 6 int, 99.4 rating

He's presently got these rankings among NFL QB:

- Comp %: 22nd
- Yds: 7th
- Y/A: 14th
- TD: 8th
- Passer Rating: 12th

So he's been better than average, but not elite, so far. Still, not too bad for a 42-year old!
 

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Brady is on pace for this season's line:

378-598 (63.1%), 4,508 yds, 32 td, 6 int, 99.4 rating

He's presently got these rankings among NFL QB:

- Comp %: 22nd
- Yds: 7th
- Y/A: 14th
- TD: 8th
- Passer Rating: 12th

So he's been better than average, but not elite, so far. Still, not too bad for a 42-year old!
This includes one of his worst games ever, though. So hopefully that normalizes and his 'off' games are a little bit better.
 

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This includes one of his worst games ever, though. So hopefully that normalizes and his 'off' games are a little bit better.
For sure. That game definitely sinks his overall numbers. Throwing that game out and his line is:

100-148 (67.6%), 1,259 yds, 10 td, 1 int, 113.5 rating

But.......that game happened and can't be taken away.
 

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I would say that aside from the attempt to White yesterday, which was a really bad decision and somewhat reminiscent of the INT last year in Pittsburgh, as well as a pick a few years ago late in the first half at Indy on a SNF game I think, both his decision making and his throwing have been very good to date. He had a bad stretch in the Jets game after Edelman got hurt where he was a bit wild, but his accuracy has been very good when given protection. The Bills game was what it was, their defense is really freaking good. I've seen nothing out of Brady to tell me he is in a decline phase.

And as I mentioned, he made boneheaded picks when he was 22, and 32... so whatever. It was one play. It was a really bad play in the context of situational football, in that this defense (and punter) are so good that if the Pats avoid turnovers they're likely to beat just about everyone else. But it was one play.
 

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Let's also give the Bills credit: they faced someone who very rarely makes mistakes, and made him (1) make a few, and then (2) made him pay for them. They also constantly put him under time pressure, which not many defenses have been able to do in the last few years.

Brady is good for a few WTF throws every year, but almost never more than a few. He also won't face very many more defenses like that: other than Buffalo in week 16 (#5), and Cleveland (#8), no team on the schedule is ranked higher than 12th in defensive DVOA, year-to-date, with most of them in the middle third of the league.
 

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I would say that aside from the attempt to White yesterday, which was a really bad decision and somewhat reminiscent of the INT last year in Pittsburgh, as well as a pick a few years ago late in the first half at Indy on a SNF game I think, both his decision making and his throwing have been very good to date. He had a bad stretch in the Jets game after Edelman got hurt where he was a bit wild, but his accuracy has been very good when given protection. The Bills game was what it was, their defense is really freaking good. I've seen nothing out of Brady to tell me he is in a decline phase.
He also had the terrible throw against the Bills in the end zone. So twice in five games he's made an absolutely horrific throw resulting in an INT while deep in the red zone.

And as I mentioned, he made boneheaded picks when he was 22, and 32... so whatever. It was one play. It was a really bad play in the context of situational football, in that this defense (and punter) are so good that if the Pats avoid turnovers they're likely to beat just about everyone else. But it was one play.
To your bolded point: Brady said in his interview today that with their defense being as good as it is (NE's), any possession that ends in a kick (punt or kickoff) is a good thing. So yeah, just avoid the turnovers and this team should pummel people. Even if they have a lot of punts.
 

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He also had the terrible throw against the Bills in the end zone. So twice in five games he's made an absolutely horrific throw resulting in an INT while deep in the red zone.



To your bolded point: Brady said in his interview today that with their defense being as good as it is (NE's), any possession that ends in a kick (punt or kickoff) is a good thing. So yeah, just avoid the turnovers and this team should pummel people. Even if they have a lot of punts.
I attribute the pick against the Bills to a really good play by the defender. He peeled off and fooled Brady. Brady probably would like to have it back, but it was kind of similar to me to the pick in KC in the AFCCG where sometimes the D just makes a better play.
 

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I get the thrill of proximity to a hero. I spoke to Wilt for about 5 minutes, and Lebron for 45 seconds, and both events are imprinted on my memory for ever.

A friend of mine knew a security guard at Maple Leaf gardens and got to see the Orr and Espo's gear hanging in the locker room and Gary Doak told him to get the F out. Still envious.
 

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For sure. That game definitely sinks his overall numbers. Throwing that game out and his line is:

100-148 (67.6%), 1,259 yds, 10 td, 1 int, 113.5 rating

But.......that game happened and can't be taken away.
Sure, but as the season goes on that game shrinks from 20% of his sample to 6% of it.
 

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Sure, but as the season goes on that game shrinks from 20% of his sample to 6% of it.
Of course. But then, he'll have a few more bad games. I bet his final stats will be something similar to what they are currently projected to be. I would like his completion percentage to be a little higher, but if he throws for 4,500 yards, 32 td and 6 int, that's a heck of a season.
 

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Of course. But then, he'll have a few more bad games. I bet his final stats will be something similar to what they are currently projected to be. I would like his completion percentage to be a little higher, but if he throws for 4,500 yards, 32 td and 6 int, that's a heck of a season.
If he spends half of his life on the run, you can expect the throws to White's feet or the sidelines guys to continue. I'm not overly concerned about completion percentage. Any throwaway that keeps him from getting crushed is muy bueno.

What we should be worried about is beefing up the OL and drawing up better offensive play calling. And both flashed signs of progress yesterday. Only flashed, but it's something.
 

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I had some spare time, so I decided to compile Brady's record against other QB's in the league during his career. Granted, the "head-to-head" record is a bit misleading, as the opposing QB's are never on the field at the same time. However, I'd thought it would be interesting just to see whom has shaken Brady's hand before heading back to the locker room in defeat.

While compiling this record, I gave Brady half-credit for his win against Kordell Stewart and the Steelers in the AFCCG, as Bledsoe came in and threw 3 more passes, 1 more TD pass, but 2 fewer completions. Similarly, I gave Matt Cassel the win in the game in which Brady was injured (as a side note, both starting QB's were injured that game), so neither Brodie Croyle's nor Damon Huard's only game against Brady and the Patriots is counted in the below. I also ignored Brady's cameo against the Lions in 2000, and the Mo Lewis game in which Bledsoe got injured late.

Brady has faced 116 QB's in his career, with a strong likelihood of facing 117 on Thursday. If all goes according to plan (i.e., no injuries), Brady will face Daniel Jones, Baker Mayfield, Lamar Jackson, Carson Wentz, Dak Prescott, and possibly Josh Rosen (as a starter) this season for the first time, which would bring his total to 122. I honestly don't know where this fits all time.

Of those 116, all but 6 have lost to Brady at least once: Jake Plummer (3-0 against Brady), Brian Griese (2-0), Cam Newton (2-0), Patrick Ramsey, Kevin Kolb, and Nick Foles (the latter 3 won their single start against Brady). There are 5 more with a winning record against Brady: Drew Brees and Eli Manning (3-2 each); Alex Smith, Kyle Orton, and Russell Wilson (2-1 each). Again, I don't know where the 110 QB's that Brady has beaten at least once ranks all time.

Among these 11 QB's, only 6 are active, and the records against 5 are unlikely to change. The Pats play Seattle in 2020, so Brady may get another shot at Wilson, whom he has yet to beat during the regular season. But, barring playoffs, the Pats don't play either the Panthers or Saints until 2021. Nick Foles is a backup once again, Eli Manning is likely done, and Alex Smith is unlikely to play again.

There are 11 more with a 0.500 record against Brady: AJ Feeley, Aaron Rodgers, Colin Kaepernick, Colt McCoy (!), Gus Frerotte (!!), Jake Delhomme, Kurt Warner, Matt Stafford, Rich Gannon, Sam Bradford, and Marcus Marriotta (I did not count the one playoff game in which Marriotta got hurt early on; I credited that one to Zach Mettenberger). All 11 are 1-1 lifetime against Brady.

On the other side, there are 74 QB's that have never beaten Brady in their careers. Philip Rivers owns the futility award, going 0-8 against Brady. Andrew Luck was 0-6, Tyrod Taylor 0-5, and Carson Palmer, JP Losman, Matt Moore, and Matt Ryan are 0-4 each.

Peyton Manning (ha-ha!) has the most career losses against Brady with 11, followed by Ryan Fitzpatrick with 10, Ben Roethlisberger with 9, Rivers with 8, Ryan Tannehill and Chad Pennington with 7 each, and Joe Flacco, Mark Sanchez, and Luck with 6 each.

Peyton Manning also owns the most career wins against Brady with 6. He is followed by Ryan Tannehill with 4, six more with 3 each (Flacco, Sanchez, Brees, Eli, Plummer) and 8 more with 2 each (Fitzpatrick, Pennington, Jay Fiedler, Alex Smith, Kyle Orton (!), Wilson, Griese, and Newton), and 26 with one win against Brady.

Also, Brady's record against QB's first names:

Alex: 2-2
Andrew/Andy: 8-1
Brian: 1-2
Chad: 11-3 (Henne & Pennington)
Chris: 3-0 (take that Chris Sims)
David: 4-0
Derek: 5-0
Drew: 6-4
Jake: 2-3
Jay: 7-3
Josh: 7-0
Kyle: 2-3
Matt: 15-2 (7 qb's)
Ryan: 17-11 (Fitzpatrick and Tannehill, but no Mallet)
Tim: 3-0
Tyler: 2-0
Vince/Vinny: 5-0

Record against former or future teammates: 9-1
- Brian Hoyer: 1-0
- Drew Bledsoe: 4-1
- Matt Cassel: 1-0
- Vinny Testaverde: 3-0