2019 AB Watch: Legal & Exemption List Posts Only
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I see two scenarios:
1.) The NFL tells Brown to pay up, he does and that's the end of it.
2.) They tell her to go pound sand, and she continues with the lawsuit, and we don't hear about it again until the trial ends.
Scott Hanson (RedZone announcer) generally acknowledges off-field controversy (anthem protests, Ray Rice, et al.), acknowledging they are legitimate subjects of discussion before saying that he’s not going to say a word about them. But not a word about the AB controversy today — just an acknowledgment that people might be interested in seeing him debut for his new team.
Yeah, my best prediction since I said Gronk was hall of fame bound in about September of his rookie year.
Not disputing any of this.
View: https://twitter.com/AlbertBreer/status/1171780783717191680/photo/1
I'm looking at this (the photo, not Breer's highlight) and it says that if Brown is suspended by the end of the 2019 League Year for violation of Personal Conduct Policy, for Conduct detrimental, or for performance-enhancing substances, "the guarantees set forth in this section 27 will be null and void." Breer's tweet doesn't show section 27 so maybe it doesn't encompass all the guaranteed money, but it seems pretty unambiguous to me, though IANAL.
The other interesting piece in what Breer shares is the contract offsets. It sounds like Brown can't double-dip, so if the Pats do cut him, they stand to recoup cap relief if another teams signs him, even if they can't void guarantees.
That really has nothing to do with anything.
My point is that what I suggested is a perfectly reasonable explanation of the events (based on what we know) and I haven't seen anything from her (text messages included) that would dispute this. Heck, her lawyer even went out of the way to mention her passing out -- from what was characterized as exhaustion -- at a traffic light. I'd think to bring that up - there must be a witness to the situation. Generally speaking, I'd think passing out a traffic light doesn't strengthen the credibility of one's story.
And the joking around by the PBP announcers about AB’s feet.
Some people are going to be deeply embarrassed if the accusations against AB turn out to be credible. I’m not sure if this is reflective of how far we have to go in terms of #believewomen, or if people you’d expect to have better visibility than us to the particulars think the allegations will wither under scrutiny.
Not many around here, I'd say. This thread is full of takes in the category of "I dunno, too hard to assess credibility, let's wait and see". If it turns out he did that stuff, we have very little emotional attachment to the guy, opinion on him will turn very quickly. Facts change, opinions change with 'em.
Not sure how many people on the Patriots side or AB side would be embarrassed, either.
Yeah I haven’t really seen anyone here go all in on one theory or another. Obviously, we’re all hopeful that he’s exonerated but I haven’t noticed anyone really state a firm belief about his guilt or innocence.
Pats had AB entirely cleared out of the locker room before media came in. avoiding any direct media availability with him.
I almost posted this on facebook but then though better of it. I suspect the cross section of people who think Antonio Brown must be suspened but Justice Kavanaugh should be on the Supreme Court is a pretty interesting group.
I would wager that a better comparison is simply what NFL team people root for.
I think you mean pre-contractual conduct. If this assault happened after the signing we'd be in an entirely different situation.
As a few others have guessed, it appears his cousin is the unnamed player mentioned in the lawsuit.
https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2019/09/15/marquise-brown-is-the-unnamed-player-in-the-lawsuit-against-antonio-brown/
https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2019/09/15/marquise-brown-is-the-unnamed-player-in-the-lawsuit-against-antonio-brown/
For the non-legal stuff, AB stayed after practice and worked with the rookies to learn the playbook:
https://nesn.com/2019/09/how-patriots-got-antonio-brown-ready-in-week-before-win-over-dolphins/
https://nesn.com/2019/09/how-patriots-got-antonio-brown-ready-in-week-before-win-over-dolphins/
I would have loved to be a fly on the proverbial wall during that Kraft conversation with Rosenhaus.
"Drew, get your client to settle so this goes away and put a NDA in it so Roger doesn't get to talk to him. OK, thanks."
"Drew, get your client to settle so this goes away and put a NDA in it so Roger doesn't get to talk to him. OK, thanks."
If I was AB's lawyer or agent, I would remind the NFL that if they exempt or suspend him while a civil trial is going on, they will be handing the plaintiff a great fact/piece of background. Subtext: the NFL examined this and concluded that Brown was "guilty enough" (non-legal term there) to put him on ice. However you explain it (good of the game, broad powers), that fact could affect jurors. I would also expressly reserve all rights against them in the event that they nevertheless exempt or suspend. My prediction is that Goodell will fall back on letting the legal process take care of itself UNLESS she is REALLY compelling when they meet her. I also think Goodell should and in fact will not act unless and until Brown has also been interviewed, so as to at least appear to have given both sides a shot.
https://www.si.com/nfl/2019/09/16/antonio-brown-new-england-patriots-lawsuits-accusations-sexual-midconduct-assaultSobering MMQB profile of AB by Robert Klemko. Depressing. His stepfather was violent and abusive, still...
After reading that article, I just don’t think he is worth the hassle. In reality, depending on what transpires in NY today, he may have played his last down for the Pats. He’s a mess.
I'm not defending any behavior by Brown, because he sounds like a royal asshole, but the NFL will have like 1 franchise left if all the assholes are kicked out.
Hey man---Goodell hates the Pats.
"I'm announcing today that Antonio Brown has been suspended 2 games for his failure to pay a chef."
Agreed. The NFL will handle these latest accusations. If they let him play, then Belichick will treat him like he treats all other players. If Brown acts out or otherwise doesn’t comply with the rules, he’s gone.
The article does not move the needle for me. The bits about not paying the chefs and other alleged misconducts are not new. Other than actual criminal charges, I'm not sure if anything else about a player lessens my enthusiasm for the team.
If he can stay off the exempt list and not get suspended for any length of time then I assume he will make it through the season on the roster. Have no idea on how it will play out in NYC.
I don't care about not paying chefs and various other incidents where he acted like a douchebag, I mean the guy is clearly a raging asshole but I don't need all of the players to be saints or even good people. However, his behavior towards women (and maybe his kids, hard to say) is another story. I don't know, I am totally not a "won't someone think of the children" guy at all, but I had a hard time figuring out what to say about AB to my 16 and 13 year old kids on Sunday watching the game other than we can't control who plays for the team. I still think I'd prefer him gone, I will have more fun rooting for the 2019 Pats without AB.
I tend to agree with you regarding this article not changing what I already thought about the AB signing, but with all the arbitrary and largely unchecked power the league has in player discipline, I wouldn't be at all surprised if it moves the needle for them. Or at least tips them a little further in the exempt list/suspension direction. And I suspect they'll be more media stories portraying AB in a negative light. Partly because that's the just the nature of an evolving story like this, and partly because he obviously appears to be, at minimum, a very troubled and unstable guy.
Won’t somebody think of the children?
That entire article is just a bunch of nothing other than a general dislike of the Patriots (or tossing the non-NE fans some red meat for clicks).
That entire article is just a bunch of nothing other than a general dislike of the Patriots (or tossing the non-NE fans some red meat for clicks).
I'm incredibly conflicted about AB on the Patriots, but that Armour opinion piece is an absolute piece of trash. You reference bullshit like headset malfunctions which happen in every stadium, and you have 0 credibility.
The only thing that will dictate the NFL moving is the media cry of how bad it is.
So the more these stories are written, the more likely he is put on exempt list.
NFL is always reactive to this.
It seems like the critical mass is starting to build enough that good ole Roger will probably be acting soon unless the accuser totally tanks her interview. We will know more once the NFL leaking machine has started up after her interview is concluded.
Independent of who is right or wrong, I think if AB wants to keep playing this year, he better re-start the settlement talks and figure out what the price is.
So the more these stories are written, the more likely he is put on exempt list.
NFL is always reactive to this.
It seems like the critical mass is starting to build enough that good ole Roger will probably be acting soon unless the accuser totally tanks her interview. We will know more once the NFL leaking machine has started up after her interview is concluded.
Independent of who is right or wrong, I think if AB wants to keep playing this year, he better re-start the settlement talks and figure out what the price is.
After reading the article I don't see a happy ending here. It seems he has cut off some positive influences, and has gotten worse in recent years.
Isn’t it too late for that? She is interviewing with the NFL today. Even if he settles later in the week, they will have already heard her story and could use that as the basis to EL him.
Always keep in mind owners think of themselves first, and while public outcry can and has caused them to act, when it’s a situation they could easily see themselves in, it likely tempers them a lot. You think Jerry Jones or Robert Kraft want a civil lawsuit to force them to relinquish ownership?
That Jerry Richardson episode probably did more than enough to scare a good number of them.
I disagree about Tomlin. I know he is popular whipping boy around here, but my read of that article is Tomlin's ability to get so much out of Ab before the wheels came off shows a strength of his coaching , not a weakness.
Maybe, but I thought the conventional wisdom is he let AB get away with a lot of stuff (that locker room Facebook live video, etc.) and AB felt empowered to act out.
Maybe I've read that wrong, but Tomlin isn't popular for a lot of reasons with Steelers fans these days so we'll see. I'd also surmise that even if I read that wrong, BB is still head and shoulders above him in that regard.
If she settles with the normal confidentiality thing, the NFL will be fine as the PR hit will disappear as the sources will dry up.
Plus the NFL will start leaning on their more connected reporters to wink wink nudge nudge drop this.
There might be some dogged reporters that might go digging for more in Brown's past, but the majority of NFL reporters will go on to easier pastures and ones that don't piss off the league sources they need to keep doing their jobs.
Edit - As an example how many reports have you seen on Tyreek Hill since his brush with child abuse consequences has ended? How much does it get brought up on official NFL productions? Almost non-existent.
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