[LOCKED] 2019 AB Watch: Non-legal Views Only
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But what if you found out he was falsely accused while he was still with Oakland?
That what occurred? You really think the Pats are going to try to make a call as to whether the sex with her was consensual or not? Ray Rice and Hernandez were completely different. Good Lord.
The NFL could attempt an investigation, but I could see it as problematic. As there is now active litigation, people will be advised to not say anything beyond what has been made public. It's different situation from where the victim drops charges but video or other evidence such as police reports exist.
I'm not trying to diminish false rape accusations in the slightest...and I don't really have a response to what you say here. I was thinking because hes rich, but that's silly. We also don't know what kind of mental state he was in before this allegation. Something like this could easily send someone on a downward spiral. I take back what I said, except for the part about this being the driver behind his recent behavior. That's entirely possible - likely even.
That's not a terrible argument either.
Assessing the situation purely as a Patriots fan, without regard to the morality of the issue, I see there being two general courses of action:
1.) Let the matter get resolved in the courts by the appropriate authorities. Brown is innocent until proven guilty, and it’s not right to punish him purely based on an unsubstantiated accusation.
2.) Preemptively decide that keep Brown is not worth the risk of protecting and paying millions of dollars to an individual against whom serious charges have been made, specifically in the realm of sexual assault which is especially pernicious and highly charged.
I hate to say it, but I’d go with #2. It’s just not worth the risk. I understand that opens all kinds of dangerous Pandora’s boxes, but as a fan, I don’t want that hanging over my favorite team.
1.) Let the matter get resolved in the courts by the appropriate authorities. Brown is innocent until proven guilty, and it’s not right to punish him purely based on an unsubstantiated accusation.
2.) Preemptively decide that keep Brown is not worth the risk of protecting and paying millions of dollars to an individual against whom serious charges have been made, specifically in the realm of sexual assault which is especially pernicious and highly charged.
I hate to say it, but I’d go with #2. It’s just not worth the risk. I understand that opens all kinds of dangerous Pandora’s boxes, but as a fan, I don’t want that hanging over my favorite team.
Okay, fine. It happened 11 years ago. I have no idea however if we really should expect a comment tonight.
We had a multiple murderer on the team.
And I have no idea how professional athletes think, but I would imagine a greater than 0% of them have been accused of things before and won't necessarily abandon a teammate/fellow player just based on accusations.
The difference here is that Brown is making a very specific claim of extortion. So, a third approach would be for the team to make an (admittedly imperfect) assessment of both the rape claims and the extortion claims, and then make a decision based on that assessment. Dallas Mavericks didn't lose anything by keeping Porzingis on the team.
The alleged rape occurred in May 2018, sixteen months ago. It is highly unlikely that there was a contemporaneous police report — we would have heard about it long before now. She could still go to the police now, but there obviously is going to be no forensic evidence in a typical he-said/she-said situation. That alone kills any realistic possibility of a criminal prosecution.
The alleged assaults preceded the alleged rape, by a year. They sound gross, and that’s what the e-mails allegedly pertain to. But that’s not getting prosecuted either, particularly with her rejoining company with him after the fact.
The NFL is not likely to punish based on civil allegations, at least before a court resolution, which likely would take a full year to resolve.
If he stands by his lawyer’s characterization when quizzed by the team, my guess is that they will be circling the wagons in Fox. Then he really will owe them.
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Has Trump weighed in yet? I'd be curious to know his thoughts before forming any of my own thoughts.
That multiple murder was almost immediately released upon being arrested and accused. Long before trial and conviction. There is precedent for the team to not wait for the legal process to reach a conclusion.
Weren’t there rumblings of some of the gang related activity Hernandez was involved in before the latest murders? And wasn’t he acting out and threatening people in the locker room?
I have no idea what did or didn’t happen. It’s impossible to speculate on rape cases; everyone acts and reacts differently. I’d say the truth will come out eventually, but that’s not necessarily so.
That seems important. Brown's attorney could have just denied the claims and it would have been a he said/she said thing with AB pointing to the fact that she still contacted him after some of the behavior that she's now suing him for. Instead the attorney has given dates and specific amounts of money, etc. You would assume that any lawyer worth his salt would have some documentation for those things.
That was a criminal case in which the allegations were not only extremely serious but also highly credible. This is a civil case, which is also being countered by claims of extortion. The situations are very different.
The point is that they are not obligated to wait for the legal process to play out, civil or criminal, to decide they want to cut the player. Obviously the charges are very different.
Not shocking. Dude is friends with 45. We have a rapist in the white house so why would he care about what AB Haynesworth or anyone else did?
She's willing to cooperate from all accounts so...yeah I'm not sure how many guilty women do that. Once again its time to give all women the benefit of the doubt. He could possibly be innocent sure...but you have to assume guilt for now.
This is terrible. I'm going to have to start bringing steel wool into my post game shame shower.
Yes. But you were talking about something "hanging over the team". So my point was, releasing him or not, they had a murderer on the team. Just releasing him didn't immediately make everyone not ask the Patriots questions over and over ABOUT THE MURDERER ON THE TEAM.
https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/27589799/antonio-brown-accused-sexual-assault-suit?platform=amp
The Patriots were caught by surprise, sources told ESPN's Adam Schefter, and the team will have to decide how to proceed with Brown, who was scheduled for his first practice with New England on Wednesday. One possibility is that Roger Goodell will place Brown on the commissioner's exempt list, sources said, which would mean Brown will not be counted on the Patriots' active list while the league investigates the allegations.
The Patriots were caught by surprise, sources told ESPN's Adam Schefter, and the team will have to decide how to proceed with Brown, who was scheduled for his first practice with New England on Wednesday. One possibility is that Roger Goodell will place Brown on the commissioner's exempt list, sources said, which would mean Brown will not be counted on the Patriots' active list while the league investigates the allegations.
A league investigation of a pending civil lawsuit should go swimmingly. They’ve proven to be experts in this kind of thing.
It didn't stop it altogether, but I think the scrutiny would have been many times worse had they actually kept him on the team.
Hernandez was drafted, developed, played 3 seasons, and signed to a lucrative contract extension by the Patriots. AB has been there for about 5 minutes. Not remotely similar to the kind of scrutiny they faced back then. This is a non story, from a patriots standpoint, within a few days if they release him.
Not a lawyer, so could someone enlighten? Spoliation? Witness or evidence tampering?
Giving women the benefit of doubt =/= assuming guilt. I don't want to live in that world.
It's NEVER a non-story if it's the Patriots. However, if they cut him, I hope you're right.
And, I would assume that BB and his no distractions mantra means this experiment is over.
I was referring to the fact that the act of suing someone can potentially get someone removed from a roster. Then made a Michael Avenatti joke because fuck that guy.
If that happens, it seems to me like it would be the league's way of punishing for other past behavior, at least in part. Tell me Drew Brees would be put on the exempt list for this.
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He peddled wild gang rape accusations against Justice Kavanaugh. He has since been criminally charged for unrelated frauds.
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It’s odd to me to include the cumming on her back episode in the context of a rape allegation. I think they did so because there’s documentation for that and not the rape.
By include I mean have it styled as an entirely separate event, and not a part of a pattern of predatory behavior like when he walked into her room naked.
Her lawyer must’ve known that including that first allegation opens his client up to questions regarding why she’d continue working with him - questions we here know better than to ask, but judges and juries often don’t.
It’s also odd in the sense that if you have a strong claim you usually don’t dilute it with a weaker one. That is, a lot of people would view that as not that bad/relationship horseplay. If you’re bringing a claim of sexual assault or rape, the reality is you don’t want the fact finders sitting there thinking “hmm I’ve done that and it was never a problem so far as I know.”
I’m interested to see whether any other women come forward. It’s not dispositive either way, but rapists seem to not only do it once.
It’s odd to me to include the cumming on her back episode in the context of a rape allegation. I think they did so because there’s documentation for that and not the rape.
By include I mean have it styled as an entirely separate event, and not a part of a pattern of predatory behavior like when he walked into her room naked.
Her lawyer must’ve known that including that first allegation opens his client up to questions regarding why she’d continue working with him - questions we here know better than to ask, but judges and juries often don’t.
It’s also odd in the sense that if you have a strong claim you usually don’t dilute it with a weaker one. That is, a lot of people would view that as not that bad/relationship horseplay. If you’re bringing a claim of sexual assault or rape, the reality is you don’t want the fact finders sitting there thinking “hmm I’ve done that and it was never a problem so far as I know.”
I’m interested to see whether any other women come forward. It’s not dispositive either way, but rapists seem to not only do it once.
If Schefter got a comment from a team source tonight, then I would assume a decision will be made tonight. I think we either wake up to see a push notification on our phones that the cut him, or they're going to ride this out.
I’m pretty damn liberal, but assuming guilt is a terrible, un-American thing to do. Every claim should be (a) taken seriously, (b) investigated fully, and (c) see the perpetrator punished severely if there is guilt.
Likely, in most jurisdictions. I remember a case in NY or Jersey maybe where a man ejaculated into a co-worker’s coffee and got a pretty long sentence (deservedly so).
Yup. This will be settled quickly with respect to his standing on the team. If the Patriots were, indeed, caught by surprise, they are likely deliberating as we speak. I think we’ll know before lunch tomorrow what the team is doing.
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