Uncle Kraker or just plain white salted?
Uncle Kraker or just plain white salted?
I know you aren't saying this but its amazing to me that an admittedly difficult person like Brown is where the line gets drawn for people as to whether a player should be in the league or not. The NFL has more than a few players who have been accused of domestic abuse and other forms assault. I would be willing to wager a decent sum of money that the incidents and numbers are underreported as well.Fuck this guy. He should be out of the league.
The sentiment seems to be that teams shouldn’t want him, not that the League should ban him.I know you aren't saying this but its amazing to me that an admittedly difficult person like Brown is where the line gets drawn for people as to whether a player should be in the league or not. The NFL has more than a few players who have been accused of domestic abuse and other forms assault. I would be willing to wager a decent sum of money that the incidents and numbers are underreported as well.
Meanwhile, Brown has somehow gone too far with his feet, helmet and verbal insubordination? To be clear, he should feel the consequences of his actions but if I am naming players who I feel should be out of the league because of their behavior off or even on the field, I don't think Brown makes the top 20 and maybe not even top 50 given perfect information.
If Brown plays Monday, I have to change my stance on Mayock. He goes from threatening to punch you in the face to an "emotional apology" only because he wants his money. Then after that how do you know he'll stay in line? This is the time for Mayock to put his foot down and follow through with the bluster to make a statement to the team.
Might as well start the Mayock countdown clock. Nice one, Chucky.
Yeah I’m not thinking this was Mayock’s call, @RedOctober3829Might as well start the Mayock countdown clock. Nice one, Chucky.
I picture Dana Carvey's Ross Perot pushing Manock out of the carThis will play out about as predictably as an episode of Toonces on SNL.
The rest of the league really seems committed to their approach of dealing with Patriots dominance by staffing their organizations with complete fucking morons.
He has been since the day he was hired. No one in the Raiders organization is unclear about who is in charge - it's the guy with a 10 year, $100m contract.Will Manock still be the GM-in-name-only Monday?
Does the distinction matter?The sentiment seems to be that teams shouldn’t want him, not that the League should ban him.
We know that. I'm more thinking that Mayock is the type to walk awayHe has been since the day he was hired. No one in the Raiders organization is unclear about who is in charge - it's the guy with a 10 year, $100m contract.
Seems more like it's the guy with the 3 year, $50m one who's really in charge.He has been since the day he was hired. No one in the Raiders organization is unclear about who is in charge - it's the guy with a 10 year, $100m contract.
I think you're missing the point again. No one "wants him gone" - it's just that, as you point out, every team would be foolish to take him on.Does the distinction matter?
Its undeniable that Brown has been a difficult personality and its understandable if an organization wants nothing to do with him. At the risk of "victim blaming" here (which is a stretch for any NFL team and especially the Raiders), they knew the risks before this summer. However let's put everything in perspective - while Brown may well have had undisclosed issues in Pittsburgh in addition to what we already know "AB Livestream!" as well as the foot and helmet stuff, his transgressions pale in comparison quite a few of his NFL peers.
In short, Brown has been a headache but if people are weighing in on whether teams or the league should want him gone, I would argue that priorities are way out of whack.
Then it's a bigger shitshow than we already thought it was there. Why even bring in Mayock when Gruden apparently is making all the calls.Yeah I’m not thinking this was Mayock’s call, @RedOctober3829
A poster wrote: "Fuck this guy. He should be out of the league."I think you're missing the point again. No one "wants him gone" - it's just that, as you point out, every team would be foolish to take him on.
Edit: it was said upthread, but worth repeating: I think it is a fair question to ask whether he even wants to play football any more
I think you're taking it too literally, but I will defer to whoever wrote the original postA poster wrote: "Fuck this guy. He should be out of the league."
You may well be correct that I misinterpreted their meaning and I think the question about Brown's desire to continue playing football is valid. However I was simply responding to what was written.
Edit: Part of this is me struggling with what it means to be a fan of the NFL. I occasionally enjoy the overall product and clearly enjoy following the Patriots. However there are so many odious things about this league as well as parts of the fanbase that its really hard to justify supporting it in any fashion.
I believe the dates referenced in the fine letter were 8/18 and 8/22.Did AB miss the practices that resulted in the fine because of the foot injury?
I suspect it's mostly so Gruden doesn't have to deal with day-to-day draft prep or any small-time player personnel stuff. And, of course, Gruden always needs someone around to blame things on when they go wrong, so Mayock will be that guy.Then it's a bigger shitshow than we already thought it was there. Why even bring in Mayock when Gruden apparently is making all the calls.
It's essentially the same org structure the Patriots have, just maybe a sliver less competent.I suspect it's mostly so Gruden doesn't have to deal with day-to-day draft prep or any small-time player personnel stuff. And, of course, Gruden always needs someone around to blame things on when they go wrong, so Mayock will be that guy.
Does the distinction matter?
Its undeniable that Brown has been a difficult personality and its understandable if an organization wants nothing to do with him. At the risk of "victim blaming" here (which is a stretch for any NFL team and especially the Raiders), they knew the risks before this summer. However let's put everything in perspective - while Brown may well have had undisclosed issues in Pittsburgh in addition to what we already know "AB Livestream!" as well as the foot and helmet stuff, his transgressions pale in comparison quite a few of his NFL peers.
In short, Brown has been a headache but if people are weighing in on whether teams or the league should want him gone, I would argue that priorities are way out of whack.
I keep wondering about this.Is it ok to laugh at Antonio when it seems like he is have a psychotic break?
It's essentially the same org structure the Patriots have, just maybe a sliver less competent.
Finally! A non-blank page in The Book of Great Andy Reid Clock Management Moments!(snip)
* BTW - gotta hand it to the other totally in charge coach in the AFC West for doing the extension for their child and wife abusing receiver on the same day the AB drama went to 11. That is great PR clock management by Andy Reid.
When Burfict is the calming influence, one has to wonder just how far out of hand it got.
No more games. He says so at the end of the video.I don’t get it. What is his end game?
If not, it’s also a legal issue given California is a two-party state for recording consent.I have to imagine Brown has Grudens permission to release that audio, otherwise he has to be suspended, right?
Did he have that footage of himself just lying around? Or did he shoot it just for this video?Amazing. And that’s some really slick production.
That video is WILD.
I have to imagine Brown has Grudens permission to release that audio, otherwise he has to be suspended, right?
He’s probably just happy that Brown has found a creative outlet.
It’s either the best possible response or the worst or somewhere in between.
yeah you think he picked out the violin solo music to go with it himself?Amazing. And that’s some really slick production.
I’m impressed he got Clint Mansell to score it.Amazing. And that’s some really slick production.
Fair enough and if the events leading up to this past week weren't enough to confirm that Brown has issues, that video (or at least the reasons for it) is the exclamation point.I get that you're responding solely to the recent Raiders stuff, but I assume at least some of the posters fed up with AB are also aware that he recently settled and apologized for a case in which he was accused of throwing multiple pieces of heavy furniture off of his 14 story balcony down onto an active courtyard/pool area, nearly hitting a 22 month old and his grandfather. He was apparently having a tantrum because he thought someone stole some money and a gun of his, and utterly trashed his apartment in the process. Point being, his recklessness and self-centeredness extend beyond purely football-related petulance, and I think there may be some recognition of the nearly-killed-a-small-child aspect of his particular pathologies baked into the responses you're seeing now.
https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/24942401/antonio-brown-sued-allegedly-throwing-items-balcony
https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2019/07/08/antonio-brown-apologizes-for-furniture-throwing-incident-says-charity-donations-made-in-settlement/
AB’s message with that video was “I might be coming back, and I might have apologized, but I’m still running this show.” He’s rubbing their noses in it.