2019 Trade Deadline

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McNeil should be playing 3B for them, Lowrie is also under contract for next season if he returns to life at some point.

I would say JBJ would almost definitely be part of a Diaz deal, but I still don't get why the Mets would move Diaz for much less than they paid for him 6-7 months ago when they are still going for it in 2020 and have no closer besides him. But, Mets, anything possible, who knows.
 

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Since it's the Mets, is JBJ for Diaz in play? You'd think not but they don't have a CF.
It makes some sense, but we really don't have another outfielder to play left if 10D moves to center. Do you want to see Bryce Brenz in the lineup every day as we're fighting for a wild card spot?
 

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It makes some sense, but we really don't have another outfielder to play left if 10D moves to center. Do you want to see Bryce Brenz in the lineup every day as we're fighting for a wild card spot?
I think it would be Chavis, 0 games experience in LF be damned. Or they'd make a 2nd deal for a LF.
 

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I know everyone thinks that Diaz would be a boon of an acquisition and whatever has ailed him this year will magically clear up if he puts on a Red Sox uniform, but I fail to see how the Sox get better if the cost of acquiring him is another reliever on the current roster. I've seen Workman and Hernandez suggested in just the last dozen posts. One of those guys has been one of the better relievers all year and the other is a young guy with a lot of potential. I just don't buy that it's a net step forward to trade one reliever for another, even if it's a "proven" closer with a CY level season on his resume.

To be clear, I like the idea of getting Diaz and "fixing" him, but not if the cost is dealing away another reliever. A one-for-one trade like that doesn't strike me as an upgrade to the roster, just a light coat of fresh paint.
 

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If the Sox move Chavis, that means a lot of Brock Holt at 2b. He and Marco as the backup. He's been very good for the Sox and I'd hate to lose him, but offense is where the Sox can afford to deal from strength.

If people had the opportunity to trade Chavis for Diaz this past offseason, how many people here would have said yes to that? Especially if we knew Kimbrel was definitely gone. I'd say 90% of us at least.
 

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I know everyone thinks that Diaz would be a boon of an acquisition and whatever has ailed him this year will magically clear up if he puts on a Red Sox uniform, but I fail to see how the Sox get better if the cost of acquiring him is another reliever on the current roster. I've seen Workman and Hernandez suggested in just the last dozen posts. One of those guys has been one of the better relievers all year and the other is a young guy with a lot of potential. I just don't buy that it's a net step forward to trade one reliever for another, even if it's a "proven" closer with a CY level season on his resume.

To be clear, I like the idea of getting Diaz and "fixing" him, but not if the cost is dealing away another reliever. A one-for-one trade like that doesn't strike me as an upgrade to the roster, just a light coat of fresh paint.
It’s not exactly a one-for-one trade since Diaz has two additional years of control over Workman. And as good as he’s been, he’s almost 31 and been a middle reliever his whole career, plus there has to be some concern about workload and injury.
 

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It’s not exactly a one-for-one trade since Diaz has two additional years of control over Workman. And as good as he’s been, he’s almost 31 and been a middle reliever his whole career, plus there has to be some concern about workload and injury.
I'm not talking about long term though. I'm strictly talking about the next 2-3 months. If this year's team's weakness is the bullpen, then trading someone who's been reliable and productive like Workman for a guy who's in the midst of a down year and hoping for an instant turnaround out of him seems like a poor bet. Adding Diaz to what they have is helpful, and potentially course-altering. Swapping him with someone they already have is at best treading water.
 

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I'm not talking about long term though. I'm strictly talking about the next 2-3 months. If this year's team's weakness is the bullpen, then trading someone who's been reliable and productive like Workman for a guy who's in the midst of a down year and hoping for an instant turnaround out of him seems like a poor bet. Adding Diaz to what they have is helpful, and potentially course-altering. Swapping him with someone they already have is at best treading water.
For sure. Workman isn’t going anywhere.
 

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I'm not talking about long term though. I'm strictly talking about the next 2-3 months. If this year's team's weakness is the bullpen, then trading someone who's been reliable and productive like Workman for a guy who's in the midst of a down year and hoping for an instant turnaround out of him seems like a poor bet. Adding Diaz to what they have is helpful, and potentially course-altering. Swapping him with someone they already have is at best treading water.
100%. There is a legitimate chance that trading Workman for Diaz makes the Sox worse this year. DD isn't doing that at the deadline.
 

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100%. There is a legitimate chance that trading Workman for Diaz makes the Sox worse this year. DD isn't doing that at the deadline.
So if it was Dalbec+Darwinzon for Diaz you'd say no? I get Workman, but Darwinzon? Nevermind a 1 for 1. I don't know how anyone would pass up Darwinzon straight up for Diaz but that's not happening.
 

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Moving Hernandez is less objectionable to moving Workman in the short term (this year), but from a long term perspective, I can't say I'm enamored with the idea of trading a young fireballing lefty (albeit with control issues) for a guy who *might* be a quick fix away from returning to his dominant 2018 form. I'd probably do a deal like that, but with some reservations.
 

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I snarked on someone a few pages ago for suggesting that the Mets would be interested in Bradley, but it looks like they intend to compete in 2020, so who knows.

Trading for a pitcher with a sky-high BABIP and fly ball tendencies only to seriously downgrade our OF defense in the process seems like a bad move to me.
 

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Yeah, I was hoping I wasn't on an island by myself. I'd do it with a smile on my face. Darwinzon's best outcome is Diaz. Dalbec is fungible to me.
Exactly how I feel about both of those guys.
The thing about Diaz is that while he was otherworldly last season, he was really good the two years before that too. And even in this shitty season, he has 61 K's in 40 IP.
 

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Not when you can get one for JD ... then wink-sign him next year
Hmmm what happened when they traded Jon Lester and Andrew Miller and then tried to get them back in the fall?
And, JD's opt-out goes with him to wherever he ends up... so send him to the Mets, or Jays, and then he opts out and ends up in the Bronx????
 

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Moving Hernandez is less objectionable to moving Workman in the short term (this year), but from a long term perspective, I can't say I'm enamored with the idea of trading a young fireballing lefty (albeit with control issues) for a guy who *might* be a quick fix away from returning to his dominant 2018 form. I'd probably do a deal like that, but with some reservations.
It's kinda like trading Ty Buttrey for Ian Kinsler. You do it if you think it makes a difference this year. Of course Kinsler didn't make a difference and Ty Buttrey would look pretty good in Boston, though he's been terrible the last 2 months so it's debatable on how good he ends up. And you know, we won a WS last year.
 

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Sorry to be "that guy," but where does Chavis play in NY?
Huge IF, but if the Mets somehow move on from Cano I see McNeil at third and Chavis at second or vice versa depending on who is a better suited at either position with Alonso and Rosario rounding out the infield. Nimmo and Conforto at corner OF positions and perhaps they can move Smith for a young glove in center. That fields a solid core of good, young, cost controlled players
 

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I think Eovaldi would assume a rover, 6 out type role every other night. With Diaz/Barnes/Workman as our core relievers. Basically what we hoped Wright could do.
Bullpen would start looking pretty good at that rate.
 

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It's kinda like trading Ty Buttrey for Ian Kinsler. You do it if you think it makes a difference this year. Of course Kinsler didn't make a difference and Ty Buttrey would look pretty good in Boston, though he's been terrible the last 2 months so it's debatable on how good he ends up. And you know, we won a WS last year.
Kinsler made a difference over who might have played those innings instead. Minor quibble but if you are measuring the short-term value, it's partly over who you're replacing. Here, not only are you getting Diaz but you're moving some other guys around. The "proven closer" thing may be BS on some level but it does help Cora arrange his bullpen load if you get a guy like that. Here you are replacing innings by Darwinzon, plus some of Hembree or Walden or Brewer's innings? Anyway, that's the short-term tradeoff. After this year it's just a question of whether Darwinzon comes close enough to what Diaz can already do for this to be anything like a risk. I guess you do it, although Diaz has been shaky enough for me to be OK with not trading for him at all, let alone at the realistic rate (Darwinzon + ).
 

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I know it doesn't matter, but it's pretty funny seeing that most desirable reliever on the market has a career record of 5-20.

Although I hear if we take out his 3 worst outings he's only 5-17.
 

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And Vazquez is more desirable than Diaz by a lot, he is better, controlled longer and more cheaply (DIaz will get pricy next year in arb) and is a lefty.
 

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Diaz’ arb number is definitely part of the equation. The 57 save season is a wildcard there.
I can't find it now, but I remember reading that he would likely get around $10M his first season (2020).
 

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If we get Diaz...does Eo start stretching out?
Providing Eovaldi returns back to his form from last season, I can see a couple of scenarios where he might be useful as an opener. Imagine 2-3 innings of Eovaldi followed by Price, Rodriguez and hopefully a better version of Sale. Using him as a opener might also be a useful way to stretch him out to replace Porcello should he continue shitting all over himself or slide in as a sixth starter when needed.
 

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if the sox want to make a run u need a bullpen arm or a 1b like arued white sox because u are going to have to outhit teams like this weekend or have a starter give u 6 and find guys for 7-8-9
 

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if the sox want to make a run u need a bullpen arm or a 1b like arued white sox because u are going to have to outhit teams like this weekend or have a starter give u 6 and find guys for 7-8-9
Abreu has been terrible this year. He's a downgrade from Moreland. Or at the very least, not really an upgrade.
 

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if the sox want to make a run u need a bullpen arm or a 1b like arued white sox because u are going to have to outhit teams like this weekend or have a starter give u 6 and find guys for 7-8-9
First base and more offense is NOT a priority for this team.
Abreu has been terrible this year. He's a downgrade from Moreland. Or at the very least, not really an upgrade.
What part of his season has been terrible? He's scuffled a bit recently, but with 2/3 of the season in the books he's on pace for 174 hits, 35 doubles, 35 HR, 115 RBI a .265 BA and OPS of .780. On top of that, tonight is the first game that he's not started this season.
 

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Mark Feinsend says Sox have talked to Mets about Diaz. Says Casas is off the table, Dalbec may be in play, and everyone else can be had. Says Chavis would be a good start to a package for Diaz. He also says they may go for another arm as well. Others mentioned as targets are Raisel Iglesias, Vazquez of Pittsburgh, Will Smith/Sam Dyson in SF, Daniel Hudson, Mychel Givens, Francisco Liriano/Kela in Pittsburgh, and Shane Greene.

https://www.mlb.com/news/red-sox-eye-pitching-at-trade-deadline
 

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It makes some sense, but we really don't have another outfielder to play left if 10D moves to center. Do you want to see Bryce Brenz in the lineup every day as we're fighting for a wild card spot?
Diaz and Conforto for Bradley and Chavis?
 

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First base and more offense is NOT a priority for this team.

What part of his season has been terrible? He's scuffled a bit recently, but with 2/3 of the season in the books he's on pace for 174 hits, 35 doubles, 35 HR, 115 RBI a .265 BA and OPS of .780. On top of that, tonight is the first game that he's not started this season.
Maybe a bit hyperbole but a 1st basemen with an obp barely over .300 and an OPS under .800 isn't worth trading for, especially one making as much as Abreu. How is he an upgrade over what we already have?

And as you said, he hasn't missed a game at all and the Whitesox are ranked 26th in overall production at 1b. He's also clearly in decline but he's a FA after this year so that doesn't matter.
 
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